VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Maviarab]

I was lucky enough to see the light before such a tragedy occurred.

The reason I find this game engaging and her character both the most despicable and the most well written, is because I've seen that shit up close. Some of their convos and especially the way she is navigating them, are almost identical with shit I've experienced.

Oh for sure. I lasted 3 months into the marriage (that I shouldn't have gone ahead with in the first place, didn't notice or perhaps chose to ignore/not listen to the voice in my head) before I bailed. Wasn't pleasent and was very messy. I've seen all the lies, deception, covering up, friends misdirecting, half-truths, placating....

Like I said previously, I have a love/hate stance with the vampire. I want to like her, I really do, but what we know (as the player), it's becoming harder and harder every time she opens her mouth.

 

[DeviantFun]

She admits she knew him from work...it was all very calculated. She probably even knew he would be there but as I said, didn;t realise her 'pick' was him. IIRC wasn't she at the bar waiting/looking/scoping? He probably recognised her and went over...and we are we are.

As we all say/agree, it's the single worst thing she has done so far....not just for the video/getting high/breaking rules, but she broke the damn rules before she even left. She knew exactly what she wasd doing and honestly, I'm struggling to believe she 'needed' to get drunk/high to go through with it. She already had the K on her as far as I'm concerned (she didn't conveneiently find a dealer there)....and she 'wanted' to get high.

Am I an asshole? Yes. I've unfortunately been married to someone very much like her.....as someone else mentioned about the sky, if Lacey told me it was raining, I'd go outside and get wet to confirm it. But then I'd have already left her long before the Bastion incident so I am heavily biased here I'll admit.


Exactly 100% this, a 100 times. Unfortunately though, as I have said, no one acts like a real person here (which pisses me off to no end, as this is supposed to be a serious story)...we are as I have said before, at the mercy of our so called professional screenwriter.

Yeah the Damian part is not explained well, I think she didn't pllan exactly to go with him but then went back to the hotel, got high and said: what the hell, lets go with that

To be honest, the fallout of the whole thing is not enough, I do believe that she needed the encouragement of the drug to do it, but the plan was set when she was sober, she saw his messages when she was sober.
But she didn't need to read his messages to understand that it was a disgusting thing to do and with what happened after thanks to the K it is even worse.

I don't understand why it is not brought up more, only Dianne and Kelly have the balls to bring it up, MC never mentiones it but gets butthurt (rightfully imo) about dick nicknames.

Sure MC is a weak person without any sort of agency and is a lap dog at heart but at least fucking complain about it.
He just says IN A DREAM that Lacey gave him reason to think she will be unfaithful.

And yeah, he not acting immediately against Barty is the weakest stuff I have ever seen.
This is why when he treathens Veronica at the phone I let out a snort, he is the less dangerous and menacing person I have ever seen in a game and I include NTR games in it.

btw I think I garnered enough hate in my heart to start the rewrite of act 2, the problem is that here MC is even weaker so I have "my work cut out for me" cit.

 

[anongamer1983]

Its a nice way to diminish and redirect responsability and blame at that time, nothing more. With her Sex means nothing attitud she didnt need it. She claims he made sex special, but has proven later that she dosent believe that. The only "special sex" is with him, all the rest is just sex.

To be fair, her drunk + high brain admitted that she was surprised that she was so turned on and that it felt so intimate. She didn't expect it to be the way that it was. I think it gives evidence that she did think it'd be completely separate, but she discovered that MC has rewired her brain too.

 

[DeviantFun]

To be fair, her drunk + high brain admitted that she was surprised that she was so turned on and that it felt so intimate. She didn't expect it to be the way that it was. I think it gives evidence that she did think it'd be completely separate, but she discovered that MC has rewired her brain too.

Yeah I know she talks about the rewiring but that is kinda bull.
And I have been defending Lacey until now, but that one is definitely one of things that are unexcusable.

She simply "enjoys" it more now and has a fetish for sex being associated with MC.

That rewiring thing is an excuse to make herself and MC feel better, she might be genuine in saying it, but it is utter crap mental gymnastics.

edit
as usual I post with my initial thoughts and then I realize I left half of them in my head:

She often dreamed that MC was looking at ther when she was getting fucked in college or that he would come and fuck her after to take her away.
Now that fantasy is true, we see it in the jealousy date when she can't even come without MC telling her to and we see it in the disgusting Bastian incident when the mere thought of him looking was making her going crazy.

Everything else she does with Damian, such as kissing, is done for herself and her pleasure.
And even knowing how badly that went and how much MC is hurt by that she does a redo of it in the jealousy date, especially the kiss.
Dianne is great at pointing it out, but it is so obvious that I feel like the character have their emotional intelligence set on a metronome, super insightful at times with the ability to read everyone at a glance and literally room temperature IQ stunted development level in the next scene.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

That rewiring thing is an excuse to make herself and MC feel better, she might be genuine in saying it, but it is utter crap mental gymnastics.

Agreed. She enjoys all sex and of all kind. But the ones where MC is involved, especially the ones where he gets jealouse are just better in her "expert" opinion.

No sex matter, but the ones with him involved feels better. (To make it clear involved dosent mean included, different things.)

 

[Chaoticjustice]

In the apathy conversation she is trying to get a raise on him, being hurtfull but seems sincere.

She says that she knew him, and choose to ignore the rules priorizating her desires over his wants. She broke all rules knowing. She could have picked any rando in the bar and follow the rules, made the lesson happen, but picked Damian specificaly because she wanted. She ignored the kiss and the cumming inside because she wanted, because it would make the emotional feeding for her stronger.

She wanted to make a lesson for him, that sex meant nothing, but after taking the K and read the texts, she changed the plan completely, it became all about her pleasure even before the sex started.


Its a nice way to diminish and redirect responsability and blame at that time, nothing more. With her Sex means nothing attitud she didnt need it. She claims he made sex special, but has proven later that she dosent believe that. The only "special sex" is with him, all the rest is just sex.

I don't know what's worse that she needed it for Damian or didn't need it for the jealousy date

After all the MC would of been aware both times either willing or unwilling

So what changed I wonder

 

[Diosvincenccio]

I don't know what's worse that she needed it for Damian or didn't need it for the jealousy date

After all the MC would of been aware both times either willing or unwilling

So what changed I wonder

That was one of my points of past arguments, that she didnt need it for Damian, that it was just an excuse to diminish responsability for hurting MC (even if she did the Damian Lesson the right way, MC would have been hurt), then it became her shield for the cheating (Aka voluntary breaking of the rules) until it was needed to confess and she had to admit it was all on her own, that the K didnt made her do anything she didnt want to.

Lets give at example. She picks a rando and follows the rules. MC is still hurt even if she is telling him, see i fucked someone else and im still here, i still love you more than anything. Then MC goes all about hearing her moan and all that in the video of the sex with the rando. She of course answers that the K made her separate what she imagined with what was happening in reality, It made her think of him and that made her love the pleasure, not the sex itself with the rando, the sex meant nothing after all.

See, with the K, wathever the results she ends covered in a way that its never her fault.

 

[DeviantFun]

I don't know what's worse that she needed it for Damian or didn't need it for the jealousy date

After all the MC would of been aware both times either willing or unwilling

So what changed I wonder

Mc is the one who insists on the jealousy date, he wanted to be there and be involved.

The premise is completely different from the Damian incident, especially because Mc wants to be a wiling participant.

Lacey actually says that it is a bad idea while MC, being written as the worst cuck in the history of cucks, agrees to it.
After the Damian incident you would think MC would be hurt and would avoid it, granted, it was supposed to be only some flirting and maybe dancing.
Lacey couldn't know that it could go that far.

The jealousy date should not have happened.

 

[AL.d]

Agreed. She enjoys all sex and of all kind.

Honestly that shouldn't be a question at this point.

There is an overabundance of evidence that there is something about her impulse control when it comes to sexual acts, that is really fucked up. You don't do what she did in college and then practically ruin your marriage multiple times (anyone but the co-dependent MC would have bailed since Jared, not even Damian), without something being seriously wrong in that aspect.

Mc is the one who insists on the jealousy date, he wanted to be there and be involved.

The premise is completely different from the Damian incident, especially because Mc wants to be a wiling participant.

Lacey actually says that it is a bad idea while MC, being written as the worst cuck in the history of cucks, agrees to it.
After the Damian incident you would think MC would be hurt and would avoid it, granted, it was supposed to be only some flirting and maybe dancing.

The jealousy date should not have happened.

"Hey we need to talk. You didn't really ask, but here is this really intense kink I got. I like making you jealous of me with other men. I know jealousy kills you inside and combined with my past, you may really lose it for good, but that's just what gets me off. This makes us sexually incompatible as a couple, but don't worry we can just forget I said anything, that's actually the prudent thing to do. Let's definitely not do it baby. I you!"

Said the narcissist to the co-dependent who has devoted his whole life to her.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Mc is the one who insists on the jealousy date, he wanted to be there and be involved.

Said the narcissist to the co-dependent who has devoted his whole life to her.

Yep she might just put a neon sign and a couple tv ads saying I want this to happen. And he being him, of course he had to agree. Hell even the way she overreacts when MC says it (all excited, wet panties, etc...) is a way to reinforce it so he dosent change oppinion later.

The only thing missing for a perfect manipulation is a "if you really really loved me, you would do/consent this for me". whitch is not necessary because he fell for it long before reaching a manipulation that obvious.

 

[anongamer1983]

Said the narcissist to the co-dependent who has devoted his whole life to her.

Yes, this is the whole point of Dianne in my opinion, to show Lacey that even if Her and MC enjoy something in the moment, that it can actually cause real damage, similar to drugs. As Deviant said, MC agreed to it (even if Lacey did give reasons for why it should happen). MC couldn't stop orgasming after it, as far as I'm aware, it's the only time since their wedding night that their sex is described like that. Lacey straight up says it's the best sex she's ever had. He obviously enjoyed it in the moment, and so did Lacey.

But then MC wakes up to nightmares

It's one of the things that frustrates me when people complain about Lacey in particular. Lacey gives reasons for her actions, but the story does not forgive her actions. Even the jealousy date through MC's nightmares and Diane's conversation is shown to be harmful. This story says that Lacey's actions are harmful to both herself and MC, and she is currently coming to understand that and trying to improve.

This isn't the story of a girl who had a bad past but has moved on from it. This is a story of a girl who has made no real effort to recover from her trauma until the end of Act 1. Act 2 is really what I consider the start of her recovery, so all of Act 1 was her having everything she wanted, but nearly losing it all due to the trauma still consuming her life.

Now, when it comes to Mia, I can agree to a point. The story has not done much at all to show her actions in a negative light. However, I personally think it's because there was so much that Lacey needed to get through that Mia's storyline is saved for another act. We only have 2 acts so far. Give it time. TV does this all the time where it will focus on developing one character at a time for an Act

 

[Maviarab]

Lacey couldn't know that it could go that far.

She knew...

It's funny though, if I had a gun to my head, I could swear the dialogue leading to the actual kiss on the jealousy date was different and that there was another choice right before it.

 

[winterwolf200]

"Secured file storage refers to systems that protect data through encryption and access controls, ensuring that only authorized users can access sensitive information. " - AI assist. Why doesn't the MC at least question the provenience l1ttl3_b1tch.mp4???
Wouldn't a normal person's 1st go-to be the users that have access? Can't he launch an internal investigation? Get that cybersecurity expert he talked with Anna about? Don't they already have one at a company that does what they do?
Why is he being such a little... You're painted as being good at your job !
Where did that clear headed, determined, self-assured badass that dealt with Jared go?
I was joking earlier about the crew being unknowingly micro-dosed, but...maybe he's getting it too. Maybe that's the special K girls plotline. Everyone is getting drugged slowly, over time so they can't think straight, ignore the obvious, and be led into some major blackmail event.
Man. Act 3 had better be stellar. Replaying this is just driving me up the wall.
Where oh where is THIS GUY hiding ???

 

[Diosvincenccio]

This isn't the story of a girl who had a bad past but has moved on from it. This is a story of a girl who has made no real effort to recover from her trauma until the end of Act 1. Act 2 is really what I consider the start of her recovery, so all of Act 1 was her having everything she wanted, but nearly losing it all due to the trauma still consuming her life.

I would give you a like for this, and i agree to the rest of the post except Mia, she is shown as a bad person that never afronts consecuencies , but im out of reactions.

Just to add. In the jealosy date, if you go along with the NTS, Lacey comments that her therapyst said all this feeding on jealosy was super unhealthy, so she knew it was a bad thing to do, and she still did go with it, as much as it was by MC request she could have killed the whole thing before it even began.

 

[Maviarab]

she could have

L "I literally have to go change my underwear."
MC "What?"
L "There's so much Lacey lubrication leaking out of me that I have to change my underwear."
MC "Are you kidding?"
L "Do I look like I'm kidding?"
MC "No?"
show lacey_work at midleft,flip with move
hide lacey_work with dissolve
show lacey_work_begging at midleft with dissolve
L "I am literally begging you."
L "Pleading with every fiber of my being."
L "I want this so badly."
L "Just you describing it sent shivers up and down my spine and straight into my vagina."

No...she couldn't. The minute it was decided...she'd have done anything and it shows (if we allow it) she is far too gone. From the moment we arrive at the club, she is never going to stop anything (and not because she gave the MC all the illusion of power). The fact we as players get a choice to terminate it right after the kiss doesn't detract from the above dialogue. Yes, the MC suggests it...as roleplay....but from that point on, she directs what happens and convinces him to go along with his 'bad idea'.

 

[anongamer1983]

I would give you a like for this, and i agree to the rest of the post, but im out of reactions.

Just to add. In the jealosy date, if you go along with the NTS, Lacey comments that her therapyst said all this feeding on jealosy was super unhealthy, so she knew it was a bad thing to do, and she still did go with it, as much as it was by MC request she could have killed the whole thing before it even began.

yes! This is what I'm saying. All of Act 1 is Lacey going through the motions. It isn't until Act 2 when Diane confronts her about the narcissism that Lacey starts to get it.

She believes that "putting in effort" because she's going to therapy. People go to therapy all the time thinking they know more than their therapists. They don't make progress until they get out of their own way. This is why I consider Act 2 the real start of her recovery, when she recognizes the narcissism

 

[DeviantFun]

Yes, this is the whole point of Dianne in my opinion, to show Lacey that even if Her and MC enjoy something in the moment, that it can actually cause real damage, similar to drugs. As Deviant said, MC agreed to it (even if Lacey did give reasons for why it should happen). MC couldn't stop orgasming after it, as far as I'm aware, it's the only time since their wedding night that their sex is described like that. Lacey straight up says it's the best sex she's ever had. He obviously enjoyed it in the moment, and so did Lacey.

But then MC wakes up to nightmares

It's one of the things that frustrates me when people complain about Lacey in particular. Lacey gives reasons for her actions, but the story does not forgive her actions. Even the jealousy date through MC's nightmares and Diane's conversation is shown to be harmful. This story says that Lacey's actions are harmful to both herself and MC, and she is currently coming to understand that and trying to improve.

This isn't the story of a girl who had a bad past but has moved on from it. This is a story of a girl who has made no real effort to recover from her trauma until the end of Act 1. Act 2 is really what I consider the start of her recovery, so all of Act 1 was her having everything she wanted, but nearly losing it all due to the trauma still consuming her life.

Now, when it comes to Mia, I can agree to a point. The story has not done much at all to show her actions in a negative light. However, I personally think it's because there was so much that Lacey needed to get through that Mia's storyline is saved for another act. We only have 2 acts so far. Give it time. TV does this all the time where it will focus on developing one character at a time for an Act

Agreed on Lacey getting better, but she is still way off the mark, I think you give too much credit to a couple of things.

MC is extremely angry during the "make up sex" of the jealousy date, the author paints it as a fantastic thing but because MC is painted as a fantastic cuck there.
It was worse than the punish route in terms of aggressiveness and it was obviously a sign that, no, everything was not alright.

MC wakes up to nightmares because he just experienced his nightmare first hand and he had a part in it.
Ok we cannot ignore the million hints about MC being a cuck here and there, in both slut and no fun path, still I think it is a trait born from inadequacy, sexual inadequacy to be exact, which is actually how the kink is born in normal people.

Lacey faces literally NO consequences ever, no matter what she does or what happens, nothing ever changes.
Not her relationship with the friends (maybe the crew could be an indication but it seems a group born with other purposes), not her relationship with MC, not her work, nothing.
Getting shouted at a few times by MC so he can be satisfied and retreat to his timeout cage is not exactly a consequence.
After Damian the dynamic should have shifted, hell, even after the atrocious 5 boxes dialogue, yet nothing happened.

Her close friends still love her, her job position is stronger than ever and Mc is properly leashed and never strays.

The pimp is even worse, she doesn't even have the excuse of brain damage, she does heinous thing after heinous thing without ANYONE ever telling her off.
Lacey: you almost destroyed my marriage and gave hurtful information to my husband out of spite? (remember this is the original plan)
nothing

Anna: Oh you used hateful and disgusting language to try and hurt the man I love? bad girl! I will not talk to you for one week and then I will apologize

MC: Oh you did all that and then tried to break my marriage again by bringing harmful drugs to my addicted wife? Don't worry I won't be angry with you.

The reality of things my dear friend, is that there are no consequences for female characters in this game, not for Lacey, not for the pimp, not for Veronica, not for christine and not even for Anna (I am disappointed is all she gets).
This is why we keep on seeing new big bads, because there can't be progression in the relationships caused by the events of the game.

 

[DeviantFun]

L "I literally have to go change my underwear."
MC "What?"
L "There's so much Lacey lubrication leaking out of me that I have to change my underwear."
MC "Are you kidding?"
L "Do I look like I'm kidding?"
MC "No?"
show lacey_work at midleft,flip with move
hide lacey_work with dissolve
show lacey_work_begging at midleft with dissolve
L "I am literally begging you."
L "Pleading with every fiber of my being."
L "I want this so badly."
L "Just you describing it sent shivers up and down my spine and straight into my vagina."

No...she couldn't. The minute it was decided...she'd have done anything and it shows (if we allow it) she is far too gone. From the moment we arrive at the club, she is never going to stop anything (and not because she gave the MC all the illusion of power). The fact we as players get a choice to terminate it right after the kiss doesn't detract from the above dialogue. Yes, the MC suggests it...as roleplay....but from that point on, she directs what happens and convinces him to go along with his 'bad idea'.

She does try to stop it before the kiss.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

No...she couldn't. The minute it was decided...she'd have done anything and it shows (if we allow it) she is far too gone. The fact we as players get a choice to terminate it right after the kiss doesn't detract from the above dialogue.

Just another ocassion where she puts her needs over MC health of mind. Just saying it so we remember she had the choice to stop it, she was informed of how it was unhealthy. To remind us that she is responsable of her actions and once again failed to selfrestrain herself.

 

[AL.d]

Yes, this is the whole point of Dianne in my opinion, to show Lacey that even if Her and MC enjoy something in the moment, that it can actually cause real damage, similar to drugs. As Deviant said, MC agreed to it (even if Lacey did give reasons for why it should happen). MC couldn't stop orgasming after it, as far as I'm aware, it's the only time since their wedding night that their sex is described like that. Lacey straight up says it's the best sex she's ever had. He obviously enjoyed it in the moment, and so did Lacey.

But then MC wakes up to nightmares

It's one of the things that frustrates me when people complain about Lacey in particular. Lacey gives reasons for her actions, but the story does not forgive her actions. Even the jealousy date through MC's nightmares and Diane's conversation is shown to be harmful. This story says that Lacey's actions are harmful to both herself and MC, and she is currently coming to understand that and trying to improve.

This isn't the story of a girl who had a bad past but has moved on from it. This is a story of a girl who has made no real effort to recover from her trauma until the end of Act 1. Act 2 is really what I consider the start of her recovery, so all of Act 1 was her having everything she wanted, but nearly losing it all due to the trauma still consuming her life.

Now, when it comes to Mia, I can agree to a point. The story has not done much at all to show her actions in a negative light. However, I personally think it's because there was so much that Lacey needed to get through that Mia's storyline is saved for another act. We only have 2 acts so far. Give it time. TV does this all the time where it will focus on developing one character at a time for an Act

I've said it before, Diane is the only character with common sense in the game. She's like a stand in for the player.

I may hate the jealousy date as an event, but Lacey's two-part manipulation leading to it, is the best writing in the game for me. It's how one should write a manipulator. The way she sets stage, redirects convo, masquerading it, gradually leading him the preferred outcome and reinforcing with horniness, is just chef's kiss. Both the soft introduction in the kitchen and sealing the deal in bedroom. Just too good.