VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Diosvincenccio]

So I love Lacey, but if she was my woman she would spend a lot of time bent over my knee being spanked, the woman needs discipline.
If that doesn't work, caning is always the safe option.

Carefull now, i think she would see that as a reward instead of a punishment.

The situation with Damian is exactly the same, under K she went for the instant gratification and even if I think she was more conscious than she describes (could be a writing mistake) the initial intention was never to hurt MC.

Mostly i agree. But she knew that it was something he didnt want and yet she made the lesson happen. She knew the whole situation would hurt him, sure she did not think it would be that bad but... She took the drugs to excape her selfblame and in a way avoid responsability. And then read the text and ignored the self restraint in favor for her pleasure. Choosing someone she knew and works with, even the way she talks during the scene, there is no phrase on how sex means nothing to me or similar, and is all about "look at me, MC, feed me." All that plays more in a conscious or instictual attempt to feed than in instant gratification, which i accept also happened. She, like in college, didnt care enough in that moment to even consider MC, his wishes or desires, she abandoned him for a moment if you want to think that.

By the way i joined that brotherhood.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

Carefull now, i think she would see that as a reward instead of a punishment.


Mostly i agree. But she knew that it was something he didnt want and yet she made the lesson happen. She knew the whole situation would hurt him, sure she did not think it would be that bad but... She took the drugs to excape her selfblame and in a way avoid responsability. And then read the text and ignored the self restraint in favor for her pleasure. Choosing someone she knew and works with, even the way she talks during the scene, there is no phrase on how sex means nothing to me or similar, and is all about "look at me, MC, feed me." All that plays more in a conscious or instictual attempt to feed than in instant gratification, which i accept also happened. She, like in college, didnt care enough in that moment to even consider MC, his wishes or desires, she abandoned him for a moment if you want to think that.

By the way i joined that brotherhood.

The real way to hurt Lacey is a ban on red bra nights for a while , that should teach her

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[Diosvincenccio]

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Made herself a mama in college and kicked the child out of her life, thats my theory. With MC abandonment issues, if he discovered she abandoned something as important as a child he would be triggered, plus it would be another thing he is not the first to do with her, more triggers. With the timeline we know of her in college it could be possible, but just a theory at the moment.

 

[Sayora]

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or will do and that sounds really bad

 

[DeviantFun]

This is some nice guesswork!
I had similar thoughts here and there but:

Lacey's big secret that she can't hide much longer...
- I do see the possibility Lacey dies... whether by suicide or a terminal illness... Some of Lacey's actions resemble someone who knows they're going to die, and is doing all they can to "fix" the people, in this case one person, they really, truly care about (see Leap of Faith)... The person knowing death is coming does this so that the people can be happy, move on after they're gone. Lacey doesn't want to just "abandon" the MC again while he's not well, and she doesn't want to "leave" without the MC's love and forgiveness... However, there's also some clues, hints that cause me to seriously doubt this guess... But right now, it's one of my two best guesses...

She often says she wants to be with him forever, build a family etc, so this can't be it imo.
If she had HIV for example which can be kept completely asyntomatic and not contagious thanks to medication it would be super obvious anyway, plus I understand llying but that would be like the lie of all lies.
What I can confirm is that lacey wants MC to be happy with or without her but she also needs to be with him 100%, I hope these two diverging thoughts make sense.

- I saw some comments that Lacey may have a kid... Possible, but not seeing the indications or hints anywhere that this is the case. I could have certainly missed them though. The most likely kid possibility is that Lacey is pregnant... She can't hide that for long. And of course, the drama is/will be, is it the MC's, Damian's, or Morty's, if the reader went that far...

Other than that, I can only go into wild speculation territory... She has a twin. She's not really Lacey, a doppelganger or twin... You know, wild card crazy twists that come out of no where...

Missing birth control due to being fucked up and be pregnant with Damian's child is like....WOOOW.
I also don't think she was pregnant before, even if it would fit my "Lacey's divine comedy" headcanon and would be fun for me, I don't think it would match the dialogues AND the moment where Lacey hints about the other side, why bring that up after the Mc blowup? Maybe because she thinks MC discovered the lie? hm i don't know but I feel like it is more tied to her being without him bringing out the worst in her.

Other than Lacey's big secret, who is Monster?
- My best guess, Christine is my most likely (there was a subtle hint that I'm trying to locate again...lol), Jeanette is second (working alone or with Christine), given their IT backgrounds. If they aren't alone on it, they are certainly working closely with one of the "crew", or with all of them...
- It could also be Mia, she referred to herself as a monster quite a bit, and she could be using Christine to relay messages to the MC indirectly, so whoever (likely Barty, could be Jared, too) is manipulating Mia doesn't catch on or "win".

Any way, that's what's swirling around in my head.
I'm remaining flexible on this story going forward, not developing expectations or anything, but very much looking forward to see how this plays out...

The Monster writes in a very detached way, at some point I tought he could be Jared on a redemption path, but with Bella's messages? I don't know, plus he knows Anna.
I would love you to locate the hint from Christine, because her actions were weird when they talked about the video.
Even then I can't reconcile what and how TM writes with her.
Can't be Mia as he received messages while she was in the pool with the others, so she either snuck some messages there or I don't know.
Veronica is the last one to join everyone, so she could be it too, but the messages arrive later.
Naw she doens't even remember Isaac very well, TM is insulted when being called Isaac.
At the same time TM doesn't "know" or want to use Mia, Anna and Christine names.
It couldn't be someone from the crew, as we are told by Anna that none of them knew about Mia's plan.
This also points against my favourite theory, sadly very flawed that TM is MC himself, some sort of split superego.
So anyway, a lot of speculation on my side, please find that Christine hint!

Carefull now, i think she would see that as a reward instead of a punishment.


Mostly i agree. But she knew that it was something he didnt want and yet she made the lesson happen. She knew the whole situation would hurt him, sure she did not think it would be that bad but... She took the drugs to excape her selfblame and in a way avoid responsability. And then read the text and ignored the self restraint in favor for her pleasure. Choosing someone she knew and works with, even the way she talks during the scene, there is no phrase on how sex means nothing to me or similar, and is all about "look at me, MC, feed me." All that plays more in a conscious or instictual attempt to feed than in instant gratification, which i accept also happened. She, like in college, didnt care enough in that moment to even consider MC, his wishes or desires, she abandoned him for a moment if you want to think that.

By the way i joined that brotherhood.

Well I am glad you joined, from now on I think I will refer to her only as "the pimp"

I know we are quite close in our thinking, but it is a matter of nuance.

You say that Lacey knew that will hurt MC, in reality she think that would help him, it is so deranged as a concept that it is hard to accept, I know.
But she did that because in her head that is what was needed to assure him that no matter who or what she fucked or fucks, she would ALWAYS be his.

She ignored him to force that on him, like she is forcing the open relationship concept.

Also she took drugs because she did not want to do it, she needed them to go through with the thing.

Obviously everything in this majestically fucked up plan failed and ended up huring MC is ways unimaginable.
And yes in that moment, no matter how much she says "you were there with me", "YOU made sex pleasurable" (actual quotes btw), she didn't give a fuck about him, the only thing on her mind was her sordid plan and her pleasure.

The drugs do not make you innocent, else when you get into a car accident you would just say that you were high to avoid any consequences.

On this, you are absolutely right, and the gall of saying "it was pleasurable because I was drunk and YOU made sex pleasurable for me" is absolutely fucked up.

The real way to hurt Lacey is a ban on red bra nights for a while , that should teach her

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Ok I am a bit of a sadist but that is a whole next level.

Fucking hell man, seek help (jk)


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Made herself a mama in college and kicked the child out of her life, thats my theory. With MC abandonment issues, if he discovered she abandoned something as important as a child he would be triggered, plus it would be another thing he is not the first to do with her, more triggers. With the timeline we know of her in college it could be possible, but just a theory at the moment.

The problem with that theory is that the toilet phase lasts only Junior year and we have detailed pictures of the whole timeline, 9 months is 9 months.
UNLESS she got pregnant with Isaac and her sickness we hear on the phone was she being pregnant, MC has to wait one year before seeing Lacey again so there would be time either to abort or to bring to completion.
There isn't much pointing to this theory so I don't think that happened but if it did it would be a final nail in the coffin.

 

[Enlight432]

Made herself a mama in college and kicked the child out of her life, thats my theory. With MC abandonment issues, if he discovered she abandoned something as important as a child he would be triggered, plus it would be another thing he is not the first to do with her, more triggers. With the timeline we know of her in college it could be possible, but just a theory at the moment.

I find that scenario highly unlikely

Such theories venture far beyond the boundaries of even "hard NTR". If it were revealed that she already had a child, the MC would have to be emotionally and psychologically shattered beyond repair; any other outcome would undermine the game's logic. Frankly, not even a character as tormented as Guts from Berserk has endured that level of misfortune.

I hope the story does not proceed in this direction. Both the characters and the players deserve a measure of love and light. The purpose of drama is to create narrative motivation and evoke complex emotions, and I am certain we have experienced a sufficient amount. To add more, especially if it's not optional, would, in my view, shift the experience from compelling into masochistic territory.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

You say that Lacey knew that will hurt MC, in reality she think that would help him

Im gonna say one last thing in the matter, since the difference in our oppinion is so close that its just a minuscule difference.

All of those, she knowing that it would hurt him, thinking that its helping him in the long run, and not caring at all about him or his feelings during the act, nothing of that is contradictory or excludes each other.

 

[anongamer1983]

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I believe that it's confirmed that the 3rd time is

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[Diosvincenccio]

I find that scenario highly unlikely

Such theories venture far beyond the boundaries of even "hard NTR". If it were revealed that she already had a child, the MC would have to be emotionally and psychologically shattered beyond repair; any other outcome would undermine the game's logic. Frankly, not even a character as tormented as Guts from Berserk has endured that level of misfortune.

I hope the story does not proceed in this direction. Both the characters and the players deserve a measure of love and light. The purpose of drama is to create narrative motivation and evoke complex emotions, and I am certain we have experienced a sufficient amount. To add more, especially if it's not optional, would, in my view, shift the experience from compelling into masochistic territory.

Im not a real fan of NTR, im okay with some "happy" swinging and NTS with respect and consent of the partners. Love Netori and Cuckqueen, more so if is story heavy related. Dont really care for Ntr, even less if its the, oh a big black cock, im addicted, im gonna give my loved one up. But this story... dude, even if its not my favorite tags the storytelling got me hooked.

I dont know how far "hard NTR" is, but to me the MC already had too much, he is already broken, the theory is just following the style of the story so far, kick the MC down. There are hints of a recovery, but almost nothing good happened to the MC so far.

 

[anongamer1983]

I find that scenario highly unlikely

Such theories venture far beyond the boundaries of even "hard NTR". If it were revealed that she already had a child, the MC would have to be emotionally and psychologically shattered beyond repair; any other outcome would undermine the game's logic. Frankly, not even a character as tormented as Guts from Berserk has endured that level of misfortune.

I hope the story does not proceed in this direction. Both the characters and the players deserve a measure of love and light. The purpose of drama is to create narrative motivation and evoke complex emotions, and I am certain we have experienced a sufficient amount. To add more, especially if it's not optional, would, in my view, shift the experience from compelling into masochistic territory.

I 100% agree. I think if she had an abandoned child, it would ruin the story for me. I mean, if it were true, and Mia really did want to ruin their relationship like she claims, then Mia would 100% have used it. My personal preference for the ending would be the story showing that after therapy, even if they are both still damaged, they are are able to raise a healthy and happy family with their children not suffering from trauma.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

I 100% agree. I think if she had an abandoned child, it would ruin the story for me. I mean, if it were true, and Mia really did want to ruin their relationship like she claims, then Mia would 100% have used it. My personal preference for the ending would be the story showing that after therapy, even if they are both still damaged, they are are able to raise a healthy and happy family with their children not suffering from trauma.

Would "the pimp" use that info knowing how damaging it would be? it would not only hurt Lacey, but also the MC, maybe triggering him beyond all limits. If the pimp wants some or all of MC for herself, using that info would assure she is never gonna be in MC feelings again. She would only use it if she went full scorched earth and wanted to demolish the relationships between all three of them, MC, Lacey and herself.

And even with the theory happening, with huge ammounts of healing, that ending could happen, a redo and doing it right this time kind of thing.

 

[InactiveK]

Finished act 2 and i've enjoyed this game so far. Its a fairly novel experience and I liked the tweaks to existing tropes. For example, there are a lot of games that have a toxic 'bestie' who corrupts the female lead. They usually have little to no further development beyond that, serving purely as a plot device.

Mia is an interesting contrast in that she served that role but was developed past being solely an antagonistic plot device and into her own character.

That is one thing that really annoys me about the MC that he gets mad at people for good reason but after about a half hour feels guilty and that he is in the wrong then apologises when the majority of the time he shouldn't be

It's like he's got Stockholm syndrome or something

Its co-dependency I think. MC has nearly all the signs (people pleasing, no boundaries, low self esteem, denial regarding relationship issues, tendency to hold themselves at fault, fear of abandonment) and its commonly developed in response to someone close to you who is struggling with trauma, addiction, or mental illness. They develop a need to take care of others and a willingness to sacrifice themselves to do so.

Its also worth noting that co-dependents and narcissists are often drawn to each other due to their natures of being a 'giver' and 'taker' respectively.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Introducing Lacey's pregnancy is an excessive measure
Even within the NTR community, there's a divide among fans regarding pregnancy content; some consider it excessive, while others do not

Again, im not that educatted in the topic, but you say there is a part of the comunity that could agree, now think about this. Act 1 was not a walk in the park, its brutal, its torture for the MC, can you absolutely not see my theory happening based on what we have seen so far? More so if there is a moment of respise and rest, just to put him on the brink again.

I consider that accepting evidence against your beliefs and changing acording to the facts is a great virtue.

Not saying may theory is gonna happen, just that it could happen, and from the especulated list, that one is the more shock valued one. When the dev shows what lacey meant (if he does at all) i be happy for been right or wrong. Its just a guessing game right now, and i love those.

 

[redoubt27]

I would love you to locate the hint from Christine

i found it, **add** to my previous comment...

(there was a subtle hint that I'm trying to locate again...lol **add** found it, Monster says to MC you're "the glue that holds it all together", Christine, when talking about the "crew" with MC says...,"How did we put it...""you're the glue that holds the crew together.")

The first part is in Monster's first message when MC is in the IT room...
Then a little while later, I was skipping through so seemed like less time...lol, but it's when Christine and MC are talking in MC's office after MC first learns about the "crew" from Jeanette...
Christine's wording was just way too precise to be only a coincidence. I think she was giving a hint, if he wanted to pick up on it...

 

[Maviarab]

i found it, **add** to my previous comment...

The first part is in Monster's first message when MC is in the IT room...
Then a little while later, I was skipping through so seemed like less time...lol, but it's when Christine and MC are talking in MC's office after MC first learns about the "crew" from Jeanette...
Christine's wording was just way too precise to be only a coincidence. I think she was giving a hint, if he wanted to pick up on it...

This is correct. I also caught it.

It's also someone who knows everyone....and also someone who knows exactly who he is seeing/when/where etc etc (which can easily come from word of mouth from the new crew group).

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Christine's wording was just way too precise to be only a coincidence

I think that is a common saying in english. Could just be a coincidence. Not taking down your thought train, just saying

 

[redoubt27]

I think that is a common saying in english. Could just be a coincidence. Not taking down your thought train, just saying

Common, but not something that randomly comes up in two different conversations from two different, unrelated sources.
And Christine didn't casually say it. She was precise, she deliberately prefaced the statement.

You could be right though. It could be just a coincidence.
But given how this story has dropped such random hints and call backs already, I'm going all Blue's Clues on this one...

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Okay DeviantFun, what made it give me the last heart reaction, the content of the post or me calling her pimp?

 

[DeviantFun]

Finished act 2 and i've enjoyed this game so far. Its a fairly novel experience and I liked the tweaks to existing tropes. For example, there are a lot of games that have a toxic 'bestie' who corrupts the female lead. They usually have little to no further development beyond that, serving purely as a plot device.

Mia is an interesting contrast in that she served that role but was developed past being solely an antagonistic plot device and into her own character.



Its co-dependency I think. MC has nearly all the signs (people pleasing, no boundaries, low self esteem, denial regarding relationship issues, tendency to hold themselves at fault, fear of abandonment) and its commonly developed in response to someone close to you who is struggling with trauma, addiction, or mental illness. They develop a need to take care of others and a willingness to sacrifice themselves to do so.

Its also worth noting that co-dependents and narcissists are often drawn to each other due to their natures of being a 'giver' and 'taker' respectively.

Dianne? Is that you?
Excellent understanding of the phycological aspects, add abandonement trauma and you painted the MC in full.
Actually the whole situation in full.

The only part I would amend is that the pimp (Mia) was developed to be WORSE than the usual corruptor friend.
There is nothing of value in her characterization and she should be used as a full on antagonist.

i found it, **add** to my previous comment...

The first part is in Monster's first message when MC is in the IT room...
Then a little while later, I was skipping through so seemed like less time...lol, but it's when Christine and MC are talking in MC's office after MC first learns about the "crew" from Jeanette...
Christine's wording was just way too precise to be only a coincidence. I think she was giving a hint, if he wanted to pick up on it...

This is correct. I also caught it.

It's also someone who knows everyone....and also someone who knows exactly who he is seeing/when/where etc etc (which can easily come from word of mouth from the new crew group).

I see what you mean, I caught that too and it could be an easy "cover up tactic" for the author.
That said, she is working on weekends, as TM does, she knows everyone, she isn't fond of Lacey, she is used to spy games and she is a very fast learner in IT, she could have access to MC PC data to see the plane tickets and she was particularly quick in accessing his PC when watching the video, I mean SSO is a thing but at least the first login...
She does not have an office
But how does she know the various plans?
I am going to drop the last bomb here: The Monster is...Martin Vindrelli.
The guy that answers the phone with: "Time is money" (I don't know why anyone would write that).
Lack of empathy, sense of justice, powerful and he kinda knows the situation.
This is what I want to believe in.

Okay DeviantFun, what made it give me the last heart reaction, the content of the post or me calling her pimp?

I was too obvious, wasn't I?

 

[JEER0X]

Dude, cut Lacey some slack. She deserves some love

she had love 300 times already =p