VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[DeviantFun]

I've really enjoyed the VN and been horrified, but I guess that's the show right.
I believe I know what Lacey's secret / other side is.

I'll put it into a spoiler so those that don't want to read don't have to, but I hope those really analyzing do.

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Some of the things you say are kind of already explored by the game.
We "know" Lacey was not enjoying the whole third phase, she would hurt most of the time.

The idea is not bad at all, I had one similar myself, all tied to her self hatred.

The issue with this is the punish path, Lacey tells MC that she liked when MC slapped her, so it is not exactly a deep and hidden secret.
The concept of self punishment / masochism would essentially overlap with this, even if punish act 2 is relatively tame.

So it might be that she wants to be hit, not only degraded, but the door for this was already open with the punish path and it would not make much sense narratively to backpedal.

We also know she is not performing self harm too.

For me, the biggest problem right now is Lacey's big secret. Indeed, after watching the passage from the Deep Fake video for the third time, I notice that Lacey is moving on to the narration, asking herself questions about being able to tolerate this other side, whether for her or for him, even if it means hiding the truth from him forever, if possible.

I don't think her "other side" is related to her binary behavior of good Lacey/bad Lacey. Mc already knows this; she's told her several times herself. I have no idea what it could be, but it's clear it must be very, very heavy, and when Mc finds out, it's going to be a huge drama. We might get more into it in Act 3 or later, but for now, it's going to be a real time bomb, with the fuse lit by Lacey herself because, once again, she's not being honest. I remind you that she's asking herself these questions before even knowing what's in this video, and she's already panicking before even seeing the "magic duo" Barty/Bernie. This thing will come back like a boomerang in her manipulative face but I'm afraid that once again there will be a whole bunch of stupid explanations from Lacey and her little gang.

You know, that is what I would have liked act 2 to be, Lacey growing but hiding this other side and MC trying to understand.
No big bads on the horizon, just the emotional damage.

I honestly hope that the other side is not sex related, even if my hopes are sort of low, her truma is very related to sexual stuff so the chances of the other side being something involving some sort of sex is high.

Considering how it is presented, it has to be heavy, very heavy and I hope we won't get a devolution to act 1 behaviour.

For now a roleplay of a good wife.

The answer to your questions, YES. She loved him, lost herself in the "fun games" and worst, lost him. Then got a literal wake up call.

Is she the same one that loved him? (Child, before college) No. That one is gone.

Now she is recovering some pieces of her former self, but it will never be the inocent her again. Like the game said, diferent pieces of the puzle.

Does the new Lacey still love him?, sure, not more than everything but yes, she loves him. Is she capable of sacrifice for him? She says yes, but so far failed every oportunity to prove it.

Now act 2 reinforces the improvement over her college times, no, it dosent fix the damage on both of them, as nothing will, but it can create a path for the future, one where she actually shows that she loves him through actual effort. (Really, as fun they are to read, her magical fixes are really fucked up things to do)

In the future acts we can (i hope) see how she ditches all those magic plans, if Dianne or the therapyst can covince her, and see her put slow and steady love back in the table (The garden). That is what's gonna convince MC to trust her again. Her choosing effort, self restraint and conexion (Sex with attachments as idealogy for both of them) is whats gonna show that she ditched her past (college) self.

Edited for flagrant grammar mistakes.

I agree with the first part, we kind of know all this, the problem is the how.
Ok drugs, ok self punishment, ok following the pimp.

But how all the other "fun" things materialize?

Where was the Lacey that spent her time crying listening to MC cuck song?

It doesn't add up with all of hers and with some of the pimp recounts.
MC needs to heal and to do so, he can't heal over false premises, because if anything came up that woulld shake those premises, we would be at square one, wounds open and gashing again.

Lacey definitely loves him to an unhealthy extent, but one thing that we could speculate comes from the other side lines of dialogue.

L "I don't really know how to make all of you understand this."
L "There's this other side to me."
L "Maybe Mia gets it? But maybe not."
L "I'm not happy or proud of it."
L "And it's not... healthy."
L "I've got so much trauma, so much pain."
L "And the only thing that kept it in check was [MCFirst]."
L "When I left him to go to school..."
A "Abandoned."
L "What?"
A "You didn't leave him."
A "You abandoned him."
L "(sigh)"
L "When I abandoned him to go to school, to try and stand on my own,"
L "all that pain just became a constant battle to try and keep at bay."

and

LN "There are pieces of me he's not ready to face."
LN "There are pieces of me that I'm not ready to face."
LN "There are two things that bind me to him."
LN "My undying love and the debt I can never repay."
LN "Even if the unthinkable happened and I somehow fell out of love."
LN "The debt still holds me to his side."
LN "I can never leave him."
LN "He already has to share me."
LN "He has to share me with my past, my addiction, my brain damage."
LN "And without knowing it, he has to share me with my other side."
LN "But he's not ready for that."
LN "He just isn't."
LN "A couple times I almost broke down and told him."
LN "But I can't risk him finding out before he's ready."
LN "Or maybe he'll never be ready. Then what?"
LN "Somehow make sure he never finds out?"
LN "I don't think I can hide it forever."

So, at the beginning, for two years she used alcohol and K to keep this other side at bay.
Was the sex another way to hold everything together?
If so, half of the explanations from Lacey are fallse or half truths again, even those that don't make her look good.

The second dialogue is grim and probably gives us a hint of some sort of bad end.
Lacey doesn't love Mc anymore but she is bound to him and will suffer forever obeying his desires that hurt her over and over.

If you mix the first and second dialogue it is clear that Lacey depends on MC not only for love or gratitude, there is a deeper dependency, which was the point that many of us made.
But it is not really outlined perfectly, just hinted at.

 

[Lestrouduc]

Some of the things you say are kind of already explored by the game.
We "know" Lacey was not enjoying the whole third phase, she would hurt most of the time.

The idea is not bad at all, I had one similar myself, all tied to her self hatred.

The issue with this is the punish path, Lacey tells MC that she liked when MC slapped her, so it is not exactly a deep and hidden secret.
The concept of self punishment / masochism would essentially overlap with this, even if punish act 2 is relatively tame.

So it might be that she wants to be hit, not only degraded, but the door for this was already open with the punish path and it would not make much sense narratively to backpedal.

We also know she is not performing self harm too.




You know, that is what I would have liked act 2 to be, Lacey growing but hiding this other side and MC trying to understand.
No big bads on the horizon, just the emotional damage.

I honestly hope that the other side is not sex related, even if my hopes are sort of low, her truma is very related to sexual stuff so the chances of the other side being something involving some sort of sex is high.

Considering how it is presented, it has to be heavy, very heavy and I hope we won't get a devolution to act 1 behaviour.

So if it's sex-related, there's no reason to hide it from her husband... unless it's sex-related, which she can't do without other men, like the Damian thing. But that would contradict the fact that she doesn't want to be shared with other men. Wow, all this confuses me even more, but if it's really sex-related, then I can only see one reason she wants to hide it so badly: starting over with other guys at random, whether in front of her husband (like Damian) or behind his back (pure Jared-style cheating).

 

[DeviantFun]

So if it's sex-related, there's no reason to hide it from her husband... unless it's sex-related, which she can't do without other men, like the Damian thing. But that would contradict the fact that she doesn't want to be shared with other men. Wow, all this confuses me even more, but if it's really sex-related, then I can only see one reason she wants to hide it so badly: starting over with other guys at random, whether in front of her husband (like Damian) or behind his back (pure Jared-style cheating).

My theory about it not being sex related comes from the edit I made to answer Dios post:

L "I don't really know how to make all of you understand this."
L "There's this other side to me."
L "Maybe Mia gets it? But maybe not."
L "I'm not happy or proud of it."
L "And it's not... healthy."
L "I've got so much trauma, so much pain."
L "And the only thing that kept it in check was [MCFirst]."
L "When I left him to go to school..."
A "Abandoned."
L "What?"
A "You didn't leave him."
A "You abandoned him."
L "(sigh)"
L "When I abandoned him to go to school, to try and stand on my own,"
L "all that pain just became a constant battle to try and keep at bay."

and

LN "There are pieces of me he's not ready to face."
LN "There are pieces of me that I'm not ready to face."
LN "There are two things that bind me to him."
LN "My undying love and the debt I can never repay."
LN "Even if the unthinkable happened and I somehow fell out of love."
LN "The debt still holds me to his side."
LN "I can never leave him."
LN "He already has to share me."
LN "He has to share me with my past, my addiction, my brain damage."
LN "And without knowing it, he has to share me with my other side."
LN "But he's not ready for that."
LN "He just isn't."
LN "A couple times I almost broke down and told him."
LN "But I can't risk him finding out before he's ready."
LN "Or maybe he'll never be ready. Then what?"
LN "Somehow make sure he never finds out?"
LN "I don't think I can hide it forever."

I doubt the Damian thing is related to he other side, narratively it has run its course and should be discussed only in terms of aftermath.

That said even Barty was in the same situation and the author used him again.
Sadly it feels very tacked on, like it was not planned at all and just added because we needed a big bad.

Also the whole "other men" really doesn't match with what she says in the slut path and other dialogues.
Granted it could be that Lacey wants MC to protect her also from that, but then even the jealousy date would not make sense.
If that was the case she already "shared" her other side.

So I am kind of stumbling in the dark.

 

[AL.d]

I'm prepared to be underwhelmed by the whole other side thing. I can't see how it won't be something that is already more or less obvious in the story.

The self-harm thing has been there since the start. We know she has been suicidal and she is still threatening with that in front of everyone. Definitely not a big secret that she hates herself.

Anything related to sex, like her inner slut, or her masochism like someone mentioned, are still right there for everyone to see. She might deny Mia's take on her but more more or less, we've seen it. So that's nothing hidden either.

Her having a cruel, resentful side, is a bit more subtle but we have seen hints of that too. Her uncharacteristic convos with Mia and some subtle but very demeaning choices of words towards MC. Like his "little outbursts" that were about...her cheating on him. Or K reducing her inhibition and showing her wanting to have fun with the boys and not giving a fuck if MC likes it or not. Or even her practically admitting she wants to brainwash another person. That's the only one I can't think of, that isn't extremely obvious throughout the story so far. But it's still right there.

It alludes more to a state of mind than a singular event and since it's something Mia has seen, I can't think of anything that we don't know already.

 

[DeviantFun]

I'm prepared to be underwhelmed by the whole other side thing. I can't see how it won't be something that is already more or less obvious in the story.

The self-harm thing has been there since the start. We know she has been suicidal and she is still threatening with that in front of everyone. Definitely not a big secret that she hates herself.

Anything related to sex, like her inner slut, or her masochism like someone mentioned, are still right there for everyone to see. She might deny Mia's take on her but more more or less, we've seen it. So that's nothing hidden either.

I fail to see the "inner slut" angle.

In our anti Lacey crusade we keep on missing how much everything sexual she does is always related to MC in a way or another (in current times but sometimes also in college times).
If by inner slut we mean that she enjoys sex then we have two different definition of slut.

What I could concede, is that there is a discrepancy between her dialogues not wanting to be shared (it would be very hard for me to have sex with another man) or seen as a slut (which with some speculation could be her hiding the other side but I doubt it would be so dull) and then showing off during the Jealousy date, which is then explained with the whole "I feed on your Jealousy", but that could be also interpreted with some malice and we could think she has a cuck fetish.

Her wanting other men doesn't fit with her needing to get high to go ahead with Damian and it does fit with her description during the slut path, that she would have to force herself.
(You also lose GG points when you imply you would like to make her a freeuse slut.)

The Pimp idea of Lacey is so far off the right path that it is crazy that we even consider her opinion as valid, it is not only heavily implied by her last convo in the kitchen, but also in the "trick" discussion MC pulls on her to gain information.
It is shown how partial the information are and how shallow her understanding of Lacey is.

Her having a cruel, resentful side, is a bit more subtle but we have seen hints of that too. Her uncharacteristic convos with Mia and some subtle but very demeaning choices of words towards MC. Like his "little outbursts" that were about...her cheating on him. Or K reducing her inhibition and showing her wanting to have fun with the boys and not giving a fuck if MC likes it or not. Or even her practically admitting she wants to brainwash another person. That's the only one I can't think of, that isn't extremely obvious throughout the story so far. But it's still right there.

It alludes more to a state of mind than a singular event and since it's something Mia has seen, I can't think of anything that we don't know already.

It is true that MC feelings are often invalidated, it is accepted as a fact also in the game, she is not the only culprit of this, almost everyone does that to him.
Lacey is the main offender for sure.

The pimp has seen a lot during her abuse:

M_nvl "Such an obedient girl"
M_nvl "Would always stop to announce that she was doing this for you"
M_nvl "Awww, isn't she just adorable"
M_nvl "Know what she did after this?"
MC_nvl "What?"
M_nvl "She picked up her phone and hit play"
MC_nvl "What was she listening to?"
M_nvl "You singing her fucking happy birthday"
M_nvl "Again!"
M_nvl "God she must have listened to that crap four hundred times in her junior year alone"
M_nvl "Cried like a good little future wife"
M_nvl "I hated hearing about how much she missed you"
M_nvl "Don't worry though"
M_nvl "She stopped missing you soon after this"
M_nvl "It was amazing"
M_nvl "One day you're her entire life"
M_nvl "The next, you didn't exist"
MC_nvl "Liar"
M_nvl "Am I?"
M_nvl "I wonder if the moment she forgot you is when things went bad for you"
M_nvl "Wouldn't that be interesting?"

Aside from showing how much of a failed character the pimp is and how her removal from the game could only benefit the storyline, you can see here how Lacey was fighting her regret and the pain that having sex, at that time, gave her.
I am not saying she didn't enjoy the act, but she would see her father more often than not and associate sex with her abuse over and over.

M "Well, Isaac was the third semi emotional attachment Lacey made."
MC "Oh I thought it only lasted three days?"
M "No, that was just the photoshoot I took of them."
M "I think they stayed together for like three weeks."
MC "I see."
"Fuck me with a rusty nail. Three weeks. Fuck."
M "I guess he heard about Lacey through all the parties she went to."
M "He was graduating and got a contract to play professional football and wanted to party."
M "I introduced them and I guess Lacey decided to go through with it."
M "It was supposed to be for one night."
M "But it turned into two and then a week and then three weeks."
MC "Did she ever say why?"
M "She told me she was having a really hard time."
M "I think she knew at that point that she was probably never going to have a relationship with you."
M "And It was killing her."
M "I guess he was relatively nice to her."
M "I think he was kind of a coping mechanism for her."
MC "When I saw those pictures I thought for sure he was hurting her."
M "You'd think, but I guess she had so much dick by then that it didn't really hurt."
M "Or if it did, she was okay with it."
M "I guess I don't really know."

Here we see how much the pimp doesn't know shit, and how all of the pain was related to red bra.
So I am even more sure the pimp doesn't understand or know the other side.

There is also the whole part where she misses the point of Lorenzo and spews wrong info.

So yeah the pimp might have "seen" it but she didn't understand for sure and probably didn't even notice.
Which leaves us with a bunch of nothing .

 

[AL.d]

What I could concede, is that there is a discrepancy between her dialogues not wanting to be shared (it would be very hard for me to have sex with another man) or seen as a slut (which with some speculation could be her hiding the other side but I doubt it would be so dull) and then showing off during the Jealousy date, which is then explained with the whole "I feed on your Jealousy", but that could be also interpreted with some malice and we could think she has a cuck fetish.

I think this is the source of our disagreement on our takes about her. I pay no attention on her dialogue about how she sees her self and her feelings about things, unless it's to catch contradictions with her actions. Because it has been proven worthless a myriad times. She has been caught lying and rationalizing shit again and again. I mainly pay attention to her actions. And as you are saying yourself, they paint somewhat of a different picture.

That said, I doubt whatever that side is, is something purely sex related. I just put it out there because it has been mentioned as a theory. If it is, I can only see it as a part of greater mental state. That's why I put the cruelty, resentment theory as separate. To me, it would be something like a hidden "bad bitch" side, that is sub conscious and she can't really control.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

I think this is the source of our disagreement on our takes about her. I pay no attention on her dialogue about how she sees her self and her feelings about things, unless it's to catch contradictions with her actions. Because it has been proven worthless a myriad times. She has been caught lying and rationalizing shit again and again. I mainly pay attention to her actions. And as you are saying yourself, they paint somewhat of a different picture.

That said, I doubt whatever that side is, is something purely sex related. I just put it out there because it has been mentioned as a theory. If it is, I can only see it as a part of greater mental state. That's why I put the cruelty, resentment theory as separate. To me, it would be something like a hidden "bad bitch" side, that is sub conscious and she can't really control.

I could also go along with this bad bitch idea

Just thinking back to that practical joke morning, which has been attributed to ketamine, which i thought was weird already. Taking some in the stress of him not coming home the night before, i could understand. But after happily finding him in bed in the morning and a raging deepthroat session? Something doesn’t quite sit right with me there.

She also wasn’t acting like the other times we’ve seen her under the influence. Her personality had completely shifted, being cold and stand-offish, and definitely not caring about MC and thinking of him as a roommate at best

 

[Fmedic]

Theory:

To my knowledge she has never had a lesbian encounter but has hinted at it
Could it be that she thinks this would be cheating and is hiding it?
It's the only thing I can come up with

 

[AL.d]

I could also go along with this bad bitch idea

Just thinking back to that practical joke morning, which has been attributed to ketamine, which i thought was weird already. Taking some in the stress of him not coming home the night before, i could understand. But after happily finding him in bed in the morning and a raging deepthroat session? Something doesn’t quite sit right with me there.

She also wasn’t acting like the other times we’ve seen her under the influence. Her personality had completely shifted, being cold and stand-offish, and definitely not caring about MC and thinking of him as a roommate at best

Well K, like other drugs, can cause mood/personality swings that are very situational with a wide range. So it's not uncommon to not see the same thing between uses.

Although I get the feeling dev has kind of a superficial knowledge about the drug and it can be seen in the way it's used narratively. So I have no clue if that scene was intentionally pointing at something or not, it's all speculation.

Personally, I find K and the whole brain damage thing a bit detrimental to the story. It's very inconsistent and oftentimes the story contradicts itself with it. I think she has been royally fucked up in the head enough already, the drug thing was superfluous.

 

[anongamer1983]

I think this is the source of our disagreement on our takes about her. I pay no attention on her dialogue about how she sees her self and her feelings about things, unless it's to catch contradictions with her actions. Because it has been proven worthless a myriad times. She has been caught lying and rationalizing shit again and again. I mainly pay attention to her actions. And as you are saying yourself, they paint somewhat of a different picture.

That said, I doubt whatever that side is, is something purely sex related. I just put it out there because it has been mentioned as a theory. If it is, I can only see it as a part of greater mental state. That's why I put the cruelty, resentment theory as separate. To me, it would be something like a hidden "bad bitch" side, that is sub conscious and she can't really control.

I mentioned it a few times that I think it's not directly related to sex. However, I think the best argument in support of it being sexual is Lacey saying "I even remember some of those things I said" right after watching the video when she talks about not remembering most of it (because most of it really wasn't true)

So, what are all of the things I think are possible she might have said? Keep in mind, that though most of these are in response to sexual questions, that doesn't mean she actually said them in response to actual questions. I'm also highlighting ones that I think are both said and will come back at a later point

UM "Is your ketamine kicking in yet?"
L "Yeah. It's good."
L "It's real good."

UM "It will be so much more than that Sweetheart."
UM "That's what your husband calls you right?"
L "Yeah. 'Cause I'm his sweetheart."

BA "Tell us about yourself."
L "I'm happily married."
L "My husband is the best husband ever."
L "But he doesn't understand all of my needs."
NOTE: I don't think she said these next two lines the way they are portrayed in the deepfake. However, I do think she admitted to them at some point
L "Also, I have a total oral fixation."
L "There's nothing I like more than a dick in between my lips."

NOTE: She would have to have said something along these lines. If she didn't, then MC would recognize that she's not being honest. Maybe it was in response to a question asking her what she would want MC to try in bed or something?
L "Do that thing you do."
L "Where you fold me in half."
L "I love it more than anything."
L "[MCFirst] has never done it."
L "I want it to be just a special thing for you and I."

NOTE: again, this would have been out of context. However, it's very possible she was admitting to things that she knows MC would hate. They just repurposed as her loving a dick inside her
BA "And you love it don't you?"
L "I do. God help me I love it so much."
L "[MCFirst] can never know that."
L "It would break his heart."

L "I don't even know where I am anymore."
L "This is the only thing that matters."

NOTE: possibly in relation to the feeling of ketamine?
L "I want this all the time."
L "Day and night."

BA "I know what you're thinking."
BA "Your getting dangerously close to becoming the old Lacey."
BA "And that's exactly what I'm hoping for."
L "Please I can't be her anymore."

L "I don't want to lose [MCFirst]."
BA "You just keep this to yourself."
BA "And he can stay blissfully unaware of who you really are."
L "Who am I?"

L "I'm trying to think of a way to get him to fuck other girls."

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Now, this is my best guess at the things that Lacey might have said. I want to believe that the professor hid a kernel of truth in this scene. However, feel free to offer your own suggestions or ideas!

 

[AL.d]

I mentioned it a few times that I think it's not directly related to sex. However, I think the best argument in support of it being sexual is Lacey saying "I even remember some of those things I said" right after watching the video when she talks about not remembering most of it (because most of it really wasn't true)

So, what are all of the things I think are possible she might have said? Keep in mind, that though most of these are in response to sexual questions, that doesn't mean she actually said them in response to actual questions. I'm also highlighting ones that I think are both said and will come back at a later point

UM "Is your ketamine kicking in yet?"
L "Yeah. It's good."
L "It's real good."

UM "It will be so much more than that Sweetheart."
UM "That's what your husband calls you right?"
L "Yeah. 'Cause I'm his sweetheart."

BA "Tell us about yourself."
L "I'm happily married."
L "My husband is the best husband ever."
L "But he doesn't understand all of my needs."
NOTE: I don't think she said these next two lines the way they are portrayed in the deepfake. However, I do think she admitted to them at some point
L "Also, I have a total oral fixation."
L "There's nothing I like more than a dick in between my lips."

NOTE: She would have to have said something along these lines. If she didn't, then MC would recognize that she's not being honest. Maybe it was in response to a question asking her what she would want MC to try in bed or something?
L "Do that thing you do."
L "Where you fold me in half."
L "I love it more than anything."
L "[MCFirst] has never done it."
L "I want it to be just a special thing for you and I."

NOTE: again, this would have been out of context. However, it's very possible she was admitting to things that she knows MC would hate. They just repurposed as her loving a dick inside her
BA "And you love it don't you?"
L "I do. God help me I love it so much."
L "[MCFirst] can never know that."
L "It would break his heart."

L "I don't even know where I am anymore."
L "This is the only thing that matters."

NOTE: possibly in relation to the feeling of ketamine?
L "I want this all the time."
L "Day and night."

BA "I know what you're thinking."
BA "Your getting dangerously close to becoming the old Lacey."
BA "And that's exactly what I'm hoping for."
L "Please I can't be her anymore."

L "I don't want to lose [MCFirst]."
BA "You just keep this to yourself."
BA "And he can stay blissfully unaware of who you really are."
L "Who am I?"

L "I'm trying to think of a way to get him to fuck other girls."

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Now, this is my best guess at the things that Lacey might have said. I want to believe that the professor hid a kernel of truth in this scene. However, feel free to offer your own suggestions or ideas!

I don't remember that, but do we have confirmation everything in the audio is real Lacey's voice? Just with cuts to manipulate context? Because you can use AI voice in a deepfake.

If that's the case, maybe you are on to something.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

I don't remember that, but do we have confirmation everything in the audio is real Lacey's voice? Just with cuts to manipulate context? Because you can use AI voice in a deepfake.

If that's the case, maybe you are on to something.

I believe some of it is full sentences that she has said to barty and some of it is just words she has said during the general conversation that have been clipped together to form sentences

Now the problem is I couldn't tell you which is which

 

[DeviantFun]

I could also go along with this bad bitch idea

Just thinking back to that practical joke morning, which has been attributed to ketamine, which i thought was weird already. Taking some in the stress of him not coming home the night before, i could understand. But after happily finding him in bed in the morning and a raging deepthroat session? Something doesn’t quite sit right with me there.

She also wasn’t acting like the other times we’ve seen her under the influence. Her personality had completely shifted, being cold and stand-offish, and definitely not caring about MC and thinking of him as a roommate at best

Well K, like other drugs, can cause mood/personality swings that are very situational with a wide range. So it's not uncommon to not see the same thing between uses.

Although I get the feeling dev has kind of a superficial knowledge about the drug and it can be seen in the way it's used narratively. So I have no clue if that scene was intentionally pointing at something or not, it's all speculation.

Personally, I find K and the whole brain damage thing a bit detrimental to the story. It's very inconsistent and oftentimes the story contradicts itself with it. I think she has been royally fucked up in the head enough already, the drug thing was superfluous.

I think the morning after the tennis is just a shock value insertion to show that she was fucked up.
At that moment she isn't recognizing what is happening and just wants to play tennis or whatever.

I have the same feeling as AL.d both on the drug use and the brain damage.
They are both portrayed very inconsistently, same as her memory problems.
I wouldn't say it is completely detrimental to the story, but it is overused as a device.

Like ok you can be a bit frazzled for a while after the high goes down, but I never seen anything on that level and for sure you won' be disassociated.
Unless she used in the morning too, which anyway is not portrayed because she is very coherent.

I mentioned it a few times that I think it's not directly related to sex. However, I think the best argument in support of it being sexual is Lacey saying "I even remember some of those things I said" right after watching the video when she talks about not remembering most of it (because most of it really wasn't true)

So, what are all of the things I think are possible she might have said? Keep in mind, that though most of these are in response to sexual questions, that doesn't mean she actually said them in response to actual questions. I'm also highlighting ones that I think are both said and will come back at a later point

UM "Is your ketamine kicking in yet?"
L "Yeah. It's good."
L "It's real good."

UM "It will be so much more than that Sweetheart."
UM "That's what your husband calls you right?"
L "Yeah. 'Cause I'm his sweetheart."

BA "Tell us about yourself."
L "I'm happily married."
L "My husband is the best husband ever."
L "But he doesn't understand all of my needs."
NOTE: I don't think she said these next two lines the way they are portrayed in the deepfake. However, I do think she admitted to them at some point
L "Also, I have a total oral fixation."
L "There's nothing I like more than a dick in between my lips."

NOTE: She would have to have said something along these lines. If she didn't, then MC would recognize that she's not being honest. Maybe it was in response to a question asking her what she would want MC to try in bed or something?
L "Do that thing you do."
L "Where you fold me in half."
L "I love it more than anything."
L "[MCFirst] has never done it."
L "I want it to be just a special thing for you and I."

NOTE: again, this would have been out of context. However, it's very possible she was admitting to things that she knows MC would hate. They just repurposed as her loving a dick inside her
BA "And you love it don't you?"
L "I do. God help me I love it so much."
L "[MCFirst] can never know that."
L "It would break his heart."

L "I don't even know where I am anymore."
L "This is the only thing that matters."

NOTE: possibly in relation to the feeling of ketamine?
L "I want this all the time."
L "Day and night."

BA "I know what you're thinking."
BA "Your getting dangerously close to becoming the old Lacey."
BA "And that's exactly what I'm hoping for."
L "Please I can't be her anymore."

L "I don't want to lose [MCFirst]."
BA "You just keep this to yourself."
BA "And he can stay blissfully unaware of who you really are."
L "Who am I?"

L "I'm trying to think of a way to get him to fuck other girls."

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Now, this is my best guess at the things that Lacey might have said. I want to believe that the professor hid a kernel of truth in this scene. However, feel free to offer your own suggestions or ideas!

This is a good try, and for sure some phrases are 100% Lacey, we can't know which.
Plus Lacey says he was asking hurtful questions and was calling her names, which made her cry.
From all the dialogues we have seen a phrase such as L "I'm trying to think of a way to get him to fuck other girls." is not Lacey.
Especially because that is not what she is trying to do.

I don't remember that, but do we have confirmation everything in the audio is real Lacey's voice? Just with cuts to manipulate context? Because you can use AI voice in a deepfake.

If that's the case, maybe you are on to something.

We know that they gathered Lacey's voice lines to be used in the AI.
We can't know which is real and which is not.

Honestly I feel this is really one of the weakest parts of the story and hopefully we will be able to see the original recording.

Theory:

To my knowledge she has never had a lesbian encounter but has hinted at it
Could it be that she thinks this would be cheating and is hiding it?
It's the only thing I can come up with

Yeah for all we know, she never kissed a girl, unsure about the rest.
Personally, considering that her "objective" was to be able to fuck MC she didn't see having relations with a girl as meaningful and it also didn't fit the pimp objective.
The pimp always talks about guys, never about women in all her convos.
So it might have never happened, as weird as it is, because at least at the parties we know there were girls running around, even with strapons (not that lesbian sex needs strapons but you know, considering the overall degeneracy)

 

[Diosvincenccio]

We know that they gathered Lacey's voice lines to be used in the AI.
We can't know which is real and which is not.

That part i know how it works. With enough voice samples you can generate even words that never were recorded. Make her say anything you want in the deepfake. So its not like Barty handed her a script to recite, just keep her talking and you can make any speech you want her to say.

Nothing of the deepfake is trustable. Does it contain some truth? Probably, but we cant take any of that at face value.

 

[winterwolf200]

On yet another lighter note, the day Mia presented Lacey with her purse full of K, when the "whole" crew worked together to set it up, when Jeanette came in to introduce Kelly as the new hire, she looked so happy to the point of unbuttoning her shirt. Something we've never seen before. Also...Anna send Lacey home by telling her to "Go home and await further orders" ????
That's ...weird. Is the crew already on something? Is someone spiking their drinks?
Perhaps the 1st domino piece was getting the crew to act stupid, together. Would account for the weakness in Mia's plan and why everyone went along with it.

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[Diosvincenccio]

Theory:

To my knowledge she has never had a lesbian encounter but has hinted at it
Could it be that she thinks this would be cheating and is hiding it?
It's the only thing I can come up with

Has been discussed like almost anything about this game. I belive the pimp had a little more action than its revealed so far with her. Lacey even admits that she touched her butt. But the theory is posible, what it dosent fit is, why hide it? Its just more sex without attachments and that is already on the open.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

The thing with Lacey is due to the complex ( depends who you ask) way she has been written it makes it almost impossible to identify any actual trends or constants in her behaviours or how she talks , so trying to understand her is like crossing a minefield, which makes a constant battle to even establish when she's telling the truth so tend to assume everything is a lie as it's the safe bet

Now when I mention trends or constants I mean those outside of shes had a lot of sex , lies/ tells half truths, wants the MC to bang other women, does stupid shit most of the time

 

[anongamer1983]

From all the dialogues we have seen a phrase such as L "I'm trying to think of a way to get him to fuck other girls." is not Lacey.

Agreed on this. I was trying to post anything that I thought was possible, and I think that she might have mentioned her "Love Experiment" which is why I added this. The NTR villains would have added it in bad context to mess with MC's mind

I don't remember that, but do we have confirmation everything in the audio is real Lacey's voice? Just with cuts to manipulate context? Because you can use AI voice in a deepfake.

If that's the case, maybe you are on to something.

As Deviant said, we know (or at least have strong evidence to believe) they used AI to generate bits and pieces of dialogue to it, so we know she didn't say everything that was in the deepfake. However, Lacey confirms that she remembers saying "some of those things", not all of them. I think it's one of the reasons she's so confused because she can recall parts, but the contexts don't align with her memory. I was just trying to guess at what "some of those things" were

Personally, I find K and the whole brain damage thing a bit detrimental to the story. It's very inconsistent and oftentimes the story contradicts itself with it. I think she has been royally fucked up in the head enough already, the drug thing was superfluous.

I kind of liked it being present. However, when I read a story, I don't care too much if it matches reality so long as it's internally consistent. Lacey lies a lot, especially about college. However, she also says she would drink during those parties too. Like, she was both drunk and high on ketamine, which should impact memory even more. My guess is that she has a much stronger memory of the before and aftermath of those slutty nights, but the details in the middle during the act are pretty fuzzy. To me, it seems consistent that her memory is a blur where she remembers bits and pieces vividly, but completely misses other parts. Her memory of the Damian scene and Barty interview feel very similar where she remembers specific things, but her memory isn't strong enough for her to know that she didn't do the things in the video.

For the damage, she claims that she was doing fine until her "recent relapse" (either barty interview or tennis depending on which you think came first), meaning that in her opinion, she's only this gullible as a short term side effect of the drug

Now, I do hope that the Ketamine storyline has mostly run its course. I'm fine if the professor allows asshole decisions by MC to get her to do Ketamine and more NTR or whatever, but my interest in the story is on Lacey and MC repairing their relationship and learning how to live with their trauma, so I really hope that Lacey is pretty much done with all that (with a possible exception that she takes Ketamine in front of MC as a "I want you to claim every side of me. Drunk Lacey, High Lacey, other side Lacey, etc").

 

[Dragonlight]

On yet another lighter note, the day Mia presented Lacey with her purse full of K, when the "whole" crew worked together to set it up, when Jeanette came in to introduce Kelly as the new hire, she looked so happy to the point of unbuttoning her shirt. Something we've never seen before. Also...Anna send Lacey home by telling her to "Go home and await further orders" ????
That's ...weird. Is the crew already on something? Is someone spiking their drinks?
Perhaps the 1st domino piece was getting the crew to act stupid, together. Would account for the weakness in Mia's plan and why everyone went along with it.

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I dont think so. jeanette_work_happy has been used before. Here its from act one.

"Work continued to be a bright spot."
show jeanette_work_happy with dissolve
"I got yet another bonus, this time for the VPN upgrade."
"I wasn't going to turn my nose up to the extra money."
"I started to build up a little secret savings."

When she announced Kelly is the second time.

jeanette_work_happy pic used only twice in the whole game lol. I guess she is not very happy at work.

 

[DeviantFun]

Agreed on this. I was trying to post anything that I thought was possible, and I think that she might have mentioned her "Love Experiment" which is why I added this. The NTR villains would have added it in bad context to mess with MC's mind



As Deviant said, we know (or at least have strong evidence to believe) they used AI to generate bits and pieces of dialogue to it, so we know she didn't say everything that was in the deepfake. However, Lacey confirms that she remembers saying "some of those things", not all of them. I think it's one of the reasons she's so confused because she can recall parts, but the contexts don't align with her memory. I was just trying to guess at what "some of those things" were



I kind of liked it being present. However, when I read a story, I don't care too much if it matches reality so long as it's internally consistent. Lacey lies a lot, especially about college. However, she also says she would drink during those parties too. Like, she was both drunk and high on ketamine, which should impact memory even more. My guess is that she has a much stronger memory of the before and aftermath of those slutty nights, but the details in the middle during the act are pretty fuzzy. To me, it seems consistent that her memory is a blur where she remembers bits and pieces vividly, but completely misses other parts. Her memory of the Damian scene and Barty interview feel very similar where she remembers specific things, but her memory isn't strong enough for her to know that she didn't do the things in the video.

For the damage, she claims that she was doing fine until her "recent relapse" (either barty interview or tennis depending on which you think came first), meaning that in her opinion, she's only this gullible as a short term side effect of the drug

Now, I do hope that the Ketamine storyline has mostly run its course. I'm fine if the professor allows asshole decisions by MC to get her to do Ketamine and more NTR or whatever, but my interest in the story is on Lacey and MC repairing their relationship and learning how to live with their trauma, so I really hope that Lacey is pretty much done with all that (with a possible exception that she takes Ketamine in front of MC as a "I want you to claim every side of me. Drunk Lacey, High Lacey, other side Lacey, etc").

I also don't mind it being present and I also understand that the fuzzy memory is a nice device.

Sure short memory can be impacted heavily by both K and alcohol, so she could have difficulties remembering exactly what happened, sometimes stuff will be lost and sometimes mix the timeline (what happened when).
Well, we are also told that Lacey uses a lot of K and during disassociation it is hard for your memory to "work".

But it is not a black hole, it should be "spotty" if you get what I mean, and the whole "the memories of that period are fuzzy and hurt to recollect" is a plot device for the sake of it or it could be Lacey lying through her teeth.

She remembers SO MUCH of her college days that the whole premise becomes a bit weak, since she recalls more than the pimp, maybe this is not a bad thing, since your memory should be fucked up only during use, that would mean she was't always high when doing things.

The only part where the K use is useful now, is to underline that Lacey is an addict and will always be (I wrote it so many times that when I found written in the game I felt quite validated), so the struggle is still there and can be used and explored as time goes on.

I dont think so. jeanette_work_happy has been used before. Here its from act one.

"Work continued to be a bright spot."
show jeanette_work_happy with dissolve
"I got yet another bonus, this time for the VPN upgrade."
"I wasn't going to turn my nose up to the extra money."
"I started to build up a little secret savings."

When she announced Kelly is the second time.

jeanette_work_happy pic used only twice in the whole hame lol. I guess she is not very happy at work.

Yeah I think he was joking, it is confirmed by both Anna and Jeanette that none of the crew knew about the pimp plan, only Anna did.

Besides, while browsing some old stuff on my phone, I found a rare video of Lacey at a rave.