In the 243 rules we learn that she frequently winced when sitting down, and MC and Lacey wouldn’t talk those days, because things were apparently so bad.
So i do assume the abuse was worse than what people are making it out to be here
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So i do assume the abuse was worse than what people are making it out to be here
How about this for a theory
Lacey is going to push the MC too far during some sexy times .... Maybe they are trying something different ( erotic asphyxiation) Lacey let's on shes on or not at her limit and ends up in hospital or hurt in someway, feel like there's been enough foreshadowing for it
And to think that the Professor thought his VN would be read by one or two people on F95! It has become his most highly regarded work, with almost 100 pages of comments already and an average rating higher than other major productions! Professor, if you're reading this, and I think you are, if you could provide us with some clarification or information on the progress of the next act, it would be truly appreciated. Thanks again for this little masterpiece.
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I assume her abuse entails everything we associate with that thing. But dev intentionally never expanded on it. And he never should.
The way she turned out and some of the things she has gotten into, should be enough indication.
I've brought this up before. After their 1st night, the MC only finds it weird that Lacey is good at giving head. Not that she's not a virgin. And as I've stated then. This could imply that he is aware of the thoroughness of her abuse. He wasn't expecting her to be a virgin.
I will call you out on this comment when the time comes
.Lacey while being a huge fuck up and doing evil things, always has this "good natured" objectives.
Making MC a cuck is not one of them, unless the other side blindsides us heavily.
This was an old theory of mine, act 2 made me think otherwise, her hook to not lose him is that she is generous and gave him a gift.
This could be caning, belting or very hard spanking, but I agree, let's not dwelve too much into it.
Edit for fun: anna_latex should be Anna PVC, only the panties look like latex the top is 100% PVC
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Its kind of referenced that there was also physical (hitting her, starving her for example) and also psychological
Lets be fair about the father sex abuse we will never know exactly. If, IF, it was to be referenced again, if the father was her first (non consensual), it would be something like this "And he forced himself on me for years, it hurt me everytime." Something like that, no especifics even when admitting it.
If you are looking into something explicit and specific like, if his sports team won, it meant missionary style, on saturdays it was cowgirl, mondays was Bj duty...Then forget about it, and i dont want to think about it anymore...Im out of this conversation point.
Just so you know, I'm of the opinion that the Barty interview happened after that. Even after Barty helped with the security footage. My opinion is mostly based on what the Monster says and Lacey's comments after finding out about the deepfake. I think Barty was being manipulated into or being forced to do those interviews.
I could be wrong, and sorry, I'm just taking like a 15 minute break from work, so I'm not going to dig up the lines to support the argument again, but just keep an open mind that Barty might have came over after the conversation with MC while Lacey was high on Ketamine
For good reason, most of the child sex abuse is talked about vaguely. I'm 100% of the opinion that when she talks about her "first time" for things, she means her first time voluntarily doing them. Similar to my theory on the fair date where I think a guy kissed her without her consent.
Lacey does have this line: "The first time I was touched sexually was electric.". Yes, this is her "being the girl who hurt him", but we know she was sexually abused, meaning she was touched sexually. I don't think she would comment that if she didn't distinguish between her consented vs not consenting
However, I think it's intentionally left ambiguous, and we might get some confirmation later in therapy as to the extent of what her father did or something, but who knows.
I don't think it changes the story at all and I think it's perfectly fine for her to only consider her "first time" on things to be times that she chose or agreed to those things.
Yeah, i agree with you.
Also don’t want it to go into detail, just didn’t like the sound of some other posts that i think assumed it was a “milder” form of abuse
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I think you misunderstood. Her plan is about both parts of the equation, not just cucking. He wants him to accept openness on all sides. Not as an excuse to cheat, but because her fucked up mind genuinely thinks it's the only way forward for them.I will call you out on this comment when the time comes
Lacey while being a huge fuck up and doing evil things, always has this "good natured" objectives.
Making MC a cuck is not one of them, unless the other side blindsides us heavily.
Which is still very abusive and controlling. The dude has very clearly said he doesn't want it. He had a panic attack before Anna's scene. He has clearly stated his vision of an ideal marriage with her. And the bitch won't even entertain settling for that damn flower garden to see if it works.
I get it from a meta standpoint, if she did, the game would end with a vanilla game over. But it's definitely her narcissism at work here too.
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I've still not managed to delve into the timeline properly, either for myself or Cyrsus' excellently made pdf.
However, we now know for sure, they are being watched. The only relapse we are aware of...that was at home, was the K she found in the case. If the big bads know about her use and saw her take this, this would be the time to go around, so maybe this happened in the evening, shortly after she took it (they saw this) and then Barty went around. I doubt very much it could be the day after (the morning she was cold/brutal and 'going to play Tennis').
If the Barty interview does not line up with this event (MC was away recall, that's why she took it)....then there has to be another relapse Lacey has not admitted to or has forgotten about (or somewhere, somehow, she was spiked specifically for this interview).
However, why not just take advantage of her right there and then and tape it? Why go through the hassle of the interview and a deepfake when 'they' copuld have just fucked her senseless while she was high, I doubt she'd have put up much resistance.
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Lacey has admitted to it as another relapse. There are 3 relapses. Tennis, Damian, and Barty Interview. The Barty interview is mentioned as "old sweatshirt" while when she's specifically talking about the 3 relapses, she mentions "old sweatshirt", making me believe it's separate from Tennis and Damian instances
Well you might be right the use of the "sweatshirt K" is not well placed, I assumed it was before Barty came to MC home drunk.
You and Maviarab already expanded on that, no need for my input.
Lacey also mentions that the first time with stephen hurts a lot, while she enjoyed the second.
This would kind of imply she was a virgin?
It is controlling for sure, what we differ about is that she wants to fuck with other men, that is not her objective and I don't see it being one unless MC pushes her to it.
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Well, for someone who hates fucking other men, she definitely seems to be doing that quite often and enjoying every inch. She might want to check with her therapist on that.
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The one we've never seen, don't know exists and no idea how she really found/who recommended, the one we've never seen a Lacey POV of?
That therapist?
(I'm sorry, I'm sorry...I can't help myself)
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Yeah she sees her college times as some colosal fuck up, and yet sees her version if intimacy, the one born from that fuck up, as the superior. Thats why i said the only way from MC to start trusting her again is if she switches plans and goes with the garden one. Until then, even if she executes the sharing one, MC wont belive her version of any story without doubts.
If the MC gets dragged down and settles on a Sex means nothing attitud i would be really sad (Dont mind a few detached sex escenes with the other girls but dont make it the default setting). Sure it would make Lacey life easyer but its shown that it would hurt him deeply. Hes suffered enough.
The issue with the deepfake is that it happens at two points in time
1. When Barty interviews Lacey to get a sample of her Voice for AI generation
I believe this happened early on for two reasons. One, Lacey would have needed to have found her ketamine stash before the practical joke morning and two, i think it likely this even predates Barty’s first drunk visit, that we only hear about from Lacey:
I assume something along the line of Barty got blackmailed or the like to interview Lacey while she’s under the influence, then with what he now knows about Lacey, the next time he was drunk he goes round to proposition her, and then comes the visit with MC where he says he doesn’t break promises
(This would also allude to the new big bad having been watching for quite a while longer than is assumed at the moment)
2. When the threesome gets filmed in MC’s living room with the blonde stand-in, which i agree happened a lot later in the story with all the current information it has
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We are told of three relapses/uses since marriage. If your theory is correct, there has to be a fourth (either voluntarily or forced). Only once has she used at home, unless, the 'prank tennis date' was not due to the K, which complicates things further really.
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She really wanted to show her vision of sex and drag him into her version of it, show him that doing it with others meant nothing now and by extension all sex in college meant nothing, so he had nothing to worry about (Cough cough).
Then we already had the discussion on why she used the K and why she voluntarely ignored the rules. We have slightly different opinions on that.
The first relapse (practical joke) predates Mia bringing the suitcase by about 6 weeks, which is why i think, when she is talking about finding a stash in a sweatshirt, she doesn’t mean the red sweatshirt
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Also a thought to consider: what if the stash that Mia had in Act 2 wasn’t a new supply, but part of the original supply she used to ply Lacey up with in college?
And Lacey didn’t happen to find some old ketamine by chance, but was left there deliberately and maybe also other locations, for Lacey to find in a vile act of sabotage by Mia?
DeviantFun what do you think? Is the pimp awful enough to do this?
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