VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Maviarab]

Alright guys....how about potential endings then? We have three routes, but they don't really differ much currently. I suppose the bimbo path could differ a lot if her actual look changes...but basically there really isn't much between them is there?

So I'm thinkin, regardless of path choice:

1. Everything works out, fix issues, lovely dovey into the sunset.
2. As above, but shared with one of more of the crew.
3. Leave Lacey for one of the crew, live your life.
4. Truly pimp lacey up and keep her permanently high and a drooling doll, need to come up with a pricing plan for her holes though.
5. Lacey dies...we either get rescued by a crew member or we throw ourselves off the cliff.

Any others you can think of?

 

[AL.d]

Now I'm going to throw another though into the mix but I could be off the mark with it as I can't exactly remember all of the scenes

But anytime the MC and Lacey have sex or do sexy stuff I have it in my head that they are all either red bra nights or Lacey decides exactly what they do , the MC never gets a say in what they do in the bedroom

Which brings me to my next point the nightmare
with this thought it now has me thinking that there is a lot more meaning to the she's a slut for everyone but me nightmare

Her being the driver most of the time is a definitely a thing. I'm pretty sure she's almost always the initiator too. Even when the roleplay needs him in the dom role, she guides him there. He is like, this is what I have to give her and he goes for it.

But could it be any other way really? The dude was a suicidal virgin recluse. She is a world class slut with numbers surpassing even pornstars. Their dynamic is the natural outcome of that. It's an experience/skill issue. And him noticing that is what started it all.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

There's no doubt she willfully ignored the rules because she wanted to get fucked by another guy and cum from that other guy. It's not any simpler than that. Everything she says to the MC about it is bullshit, aside from the dissociation of sex and love.
She read MC's texts before taking the K, that's for sure!
We'll never know the truth because I don't think the Professor will ever come back to this. I love this girl as much as I hate her, but she's really toxic to him.....let's hope therapy or someone else will get her back on track.

Could also be explained by “the other side”
In my mind this is not the hidden slut or anything like that.
It’s a side that is utterly detached from her childhood and previous life
This side has an absolute disregard for MC, which is why she read and ignored the rules MC sent and Lacey placated him with half-truths instead of telling him about that side.
This side is the one actively making choices to hurt MC and herself, be it ignoring the rules, college gangbangs, marketing parties, trmptation of staying and going with Isaac, but the Lacey we see always end up covering for “her”, not wanting to admit her existence

 

[anongamer1983]

I am roughly of your same opinion, my wild idea is that it could even not be Barty but Lacey mistakenly thinks he was, pure speculation

I had this same exact thought, but I didn't want to comment on it because the only reason I thought it was the #Barty in videos tag which is just from source code, not in the story. However, I'm not sure. It's possible Barty did the interview, but Familiar Voice was deepfaked to look like Barty. But who knows, not enough information for me to have strong feelings on who the Familiar Voice is

 

[DeviantFun]

Now I'm going to throw another though into the mix but I could be off the mark with it as I can't exactly remember all of the scenes

But anytime the MC and Lacey have sex or do sexy stuff I have it in my head that they are all either red bra nights or Lacey decides exactly what they do , the MC never gets a say in what they do in the bedroom

Which brings me to my next point the nightmare
with this thought it now has me thinking that there is a lot more meaning to the she's a slut for everyone but me nightmare

Well that is not totally true, he commands her quite a bit during sex and the wine bottle scene is all MC, Lacey just told him it was ok to do it.
He also requests the "special nights" in act 2.

What is true is that we never see MC initiate aside from 2 times after the lorenzo incident (1 in each path), not even with the other LIs.

Punish:
MC "I can respect that."
MC "If there's anything I can do, let me know."
L "I will."
MC "Now. None of this changes that you did cause havoc tonight."
L "I really did, didn't I?"
MC "I wish I could look the other way when you do things like this."
MC "But what would Anna and Mia think if I let you get away with it."
L "You're right."
MC "Are you sorry Lacey?"
L "I'm very, very sorry."
MC "My dick doesn't think you're sorry."
MC "You should apologize to him."
MC "And be quick about it."

Slut:

MC "I can respect that."
MC "If there's anything I can do, let me know."
L "I will."
"I stop a moment and take a deep breath."
"I'm way out of my comfort zone with what I'm about to do."
"I hope she understands it's just a game."
"Please let this go well."
MC "You said you wish you weren't some dumb slut."
MC "But, isn't that what you are?"
MC "You're just a dumb slut."
MC "You know that right?"
L "Wh...what?"
MC "You can't keep pretending that the girl you were in college wasn't you."
MC "It was you."
MC "You did all those things."
MC "And that makes you a slut. Right?"

So I don't think we have a leg to stand on with this theory, it is just how the author writes.

What the slut dialogue made me go and look for, is this:

L "It obviously happened."
L "I obviously had way too much K."
L "I guess I was some kind of raging slut again."
L "I never wanted to be her again."
L "But maybe there's a part of me that's still that girl buried somewhere inside of me."
L "So far down that only being insanely high makes it come to the surface."
L "I don't know how else to explain any of that stuff I said."
L "I certainly don't actively think those things."

All the talk about self punish kind of went out the window, I mean not entirely, but I now have difficulties to match many of the dialogues Lacey has about her past when faced with this admission.

Another interesting we can extract here is that the other side is not her being a slut, since she is aware of the other side but unaware of the (not real) raging slut.

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I had this same exact thought, but I didn't want to comment on it because the only reason I thought it was the #Barty in videos tag which is just from source code, not in the story. However, I'm not sure. It's possible Barty did the interview, but Familiar Voice was deepfaked to look like Barty. But who knows, not enough information for me to have strong feelings on who the Familiar Voice is

Well we don't know anything about that, but we know that Barty has a horse dick, like 99% of the men present in the game:
MC "Really not sure. Something about your dick."
BA "HAHAHAHA you must have talked with my wife."
BA "She used to call me big guy."

CrysusPariah2 Going through the dialogue with drunk Barty makes me think that the barty visit to lacey for the video has to be placed before his drunk visit:

BA "I want your wife to do it."
BA "She's good at it."
show barty_drunk at midright with move
BA "She's such a great..."
BA "such a great little slut."
BA "You're so lucky."
MC "Barty, you need to tell me what the fuck you're talking about."
BA "And plus... and plus..."
show barty_drunk at right with move
BA "She swallows."
BA "I know right?"
MC "I'm going to ask you one more time."
MC "What the FUCK are you talking about?"
BA "Shhhhh, keep... keep it down."
BA "Her husband... Lacey's husband, he can't find out okay."
BA "He's not supposed to... (hic) know about it."

I mean half the things he says are things that can be reconciled with the video so...
I know he is supposed to have found some Llacey's online presence but it seems glaring, maybe I am reading too much into it.

 

[anongamer1983]

L "It obviously happened."
L "I obviously had way too much K."
L "I guess I was some kind of raging slut again."
L "I never wanted to be her again."
L "But maybe there's a part of me that's still that girl buried somewhere inside of me."
L "So far down that only being insanely high makes it come to the surface."
L "I don't know how else to explain any of that stuff I said."
L "I certainly don't actively think those things."

All the talk about self punish kind of went out the window, I mean not entirely, but I now have difficulties to match many of the dialogues Lacey has about her past when faced with this admission.

Another interesting we can extract here is that the other side is not her being a slut, since she is aware of the other side but unaware of the (not real) raging slut.

So, she is saying this when she watches the deepfake, but she doesn't know it's a deepfake yet. She is rationalizing why she might have done what "she" did in the deepfake. I do not think that the bolded text is true. She is just doubting herself (which the NTR villains specifically want her to do, to turn her back into that)

 

[Diosvincenccio]

I’m saying the interview was the jumper incident, just that Lacey didn’t mean the red jumper when she said that

I would give a like if i could, i think thats right.

The Pimp was never her supplier I think, Lacey used before meeting her and at the beginning she didn't know.

Right, but at some point she could have taken the stash and control her ammount used. The K on the handbag could be Lacey old stash.

There's no doubt she willfully ignored the rules because she wanted to get fucked by another guy and cum from that other guy. It's not any simpler than that. Everything she says to the MC about it is bullshit, aside from the dissociation of sex and love.
She read MC's texts before taking the K, that's for sure!

I agree. Thats kind of my view in the discussion i had with DeviantFun on the topic. Except i think she took the K first and then read the texts, and that K gave her the "courage" (excuse to avoid acontability) to break all the rules even if it meant hurting him. She had the desire to do it(desire to break the rules) since the begining, since she choose Damian, and took the K as an excuse to allow herself to be free and go along with it.

So order of events. (I dont remember exactly so feel free to correct me)
-Saw Damian "choose him"
-Changed Dress / took K and tequila
-Saw the texts
- Thought to herself. Why stop? Why restrain myself? Lets cuck him.

the MC never gets a say in what they do in the bedroom

Dude is a doormat and you want him to express his sex desires?

 

[Diosvincenccio]

2. As above, but shared with one of more of the crew.

Most likely

 

[DeviantFun]

So, she is saying this when she watches the deepfake, but she doesn't know it's a deepfake yet. She is rationalizing why she might have done what "she" did in the deepfake. I do not think that the bolded text is true. She is just doubting herself (which the NTR villains specifically want her to do, to turn her back into that)

Now she is rationalizing what happened in the video, sure, but she is doing so by reconciling it with her past.

It fits with what happens with Damian too: "men like to be complimented" she acts like a seasoned veteran out to get what she wants.

Not a rationalization then, but a further glimpse of her real past.

Right, but at some point she could have taken the stash and control her ammount used. The K on the handbag could be Lacey old stash.

We know this is not true else she would have controlled the use also during the 3 weeks when Lacey was about to die, the pimp left her alone often.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

We know this is not true else she would have controlled the use also during the 3 weeks when Lacey was about to die, the pimp left her alone often.

Ah true, didnt think of that.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

Well that is not totally true, he commands her quite a bit during sex and the wine bottle scene is all MC, Lacey just told him it was ok to do it.
He also requests the "special nights" in act 2.

What is true is that we never see MC initiate aside from 2 times after the lorenzo incident (1 in each path), not even with the other LIs.

Punish:
MC "I can respect that."
MC "If there's anything I can do, let me know."
L "I will."
MC "Now. None of this changes that you did cause havoc tonight."
L "I really did, didn't I?"
MC "I wish I could look the other way when you do things like this."
MC "But what would Anna and Mia think if I let you get away with it."
L "You're right."
MC "Are you sorry Lacey?"
L "I'm very, very sorry."
MC "My dick doesn't think you're sorry."
MC "You should apologize to him."
MC "And be quick about it."

Slut:

MC "I can respect that."
MC "If there's anything I can do, let me know."
L "I will."
"I stop a moment and take a deep breath."
"I'm way out of my comfort zone with what I'm about to do."
"I hope she understands it's just a game."
"Please let this go well."
MC "You said you wish you weren't some dumb slut."
MC "But, isn't that what you are?"
MC "You're just a dumb slut."
MC "You know that right?"
L "Wh...what?"
MC "You can't keep pretending that the girl you were in college wasn't you."
MC "It was you."
MC "You did all those things."
MC "And that makes you a slut. Right?"

So I don't think we have a leg to stand on with this theory, it is just how the author writes.

What the slut dialogue made me go and look for, is this:

L "It obviously happened."
L "I obviously had way too much K."
L "I guess I was some kind of raging slut again."
L "I never wanted to be her again."
L "But maybe there's a part of me that's still that girl buried somewhere inside of me."
L "So far down that only being insanely high makes it come to the surface."
L "I don't know how else to explain any of that stuff I said."
L "I certainly don't actively think those things."

All the talk about self punish kind of went out the window, I mean not entirely, but I now have difficulties to match many of the dialogues Lacey has about her past when faced with this admission.

Another interesting we can extract here is that the other side is not her being a slut, since she is aware of the other side but unaware of the (not real) raging slut.

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Well we don't know anything about that, but we know that Barty has a horse dick, like 99% of the men present in the game:
MC "Really not sure. Something about your dick."
BA "HAHAHAHA you must have talked with my wife."
BA "She used to call me big guy."

CrysusPariah2 Going through the dialogue with drunk Barty makes me think that the barty visit to lacey for the video has to be placed before his drunk visit:

BA "I want your wife to do it."
BA "She's good at it."
show barty_drunk at midright with move
BA "She's such a great..."
BA "such a great little slut."
BA "You're so lucky."
MC "Barty, you need to tell me what the fuck you're talking about."
BA "And plus... and plus..."
show barty_drunk at right with move
BA "She swallows."
BA "I know right?"
MC "I'm going to ask you one more time."
MC "What the FUCK are you talking about?"
BA "Shhhhh, keep... keep it down."
BA "Her husband... Lacey's husband, he can't find out okay."
BA "He's not supposed to... (hic) know about it."

I mean half the things he says are things that can be reconciled with the video so...
I know he is supposed to have found some Llacey's online presence but it seems glaring, maybe I am reading too much into it.

Before the first drunk visit that we only hear about or before the second drunk visit that MC is there for?

 

[DeviantFun]

Before the first drunk visit that we only hear about or before the second drunk visit that MC is there for?

I was thinking the second, but it could definitely be the first since from that point of Lacey forbids Barty to come and he goes to MC to "apologize".

I mean it is obviously a tacked on event, it wasn't supposed to happen (at least I don't think so), so it is very vague.

 

[Maviarab]

He also requests the "special nights" in act 2

Does he? My mind is mush over the events in this game with so much discussion, but iirc, she asks him do you need the night...he then agrees.

All the talk about self punish kind of went out the window, I mean not entirely, but I now have difficulties to match many of the dialogues Lacey has about her past when faced with this admission.

Hmmm...

maybe I am reading too much into it.

Hmmm....

o order of events. (I dont remember exactly so feel free to correct me)
-Saw Damian "choose him"

No she didn't. She had already chosen him before she got there. When she saw him, she realised it was him. She didn't know what he looked like, but it's obvious they had been speaking before she left.

 

[DeviantFun]

Does he? My mind is mush over the events in this game with so much discussion, but iirc, she asks him do you need the night...he then agrees.

Hmmm...

Hmmm....

No she didn't. She had already chosen him before she got there. When she saw him, she realised it was him.

You are right she asks first, in act 1 tho, MC does initiate.

That admission really makes me think if that her past is not explored we will all be disappointed with the outcome, happy or unhappy.

I am not sure, I think she was high, saw him and said: yeah I don't "know" him, lets go.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

She had already chosen him before she got there. When she saw him, she realised it was him.

Thats why i quotted it. She already made her choice long before. She knew the supposed rando from the begining, then in the apathy conversation with MC she even mentions that she knew what she was doing by choosing him

 

[winterwolf200]

All the Barty questions could have been answered if the damn MC would have been just a bit more proactive.
I mean...your landlord let himself into your home where he shot a porno and made it look like your wife, as far as you know. Go to the fucking police !!!! OR even better. Confront ol Barty with it. You're freakishly strong, perceptive, smart and deeply protective. WHY the hell haven't you grabbed Barty by the collar and smashed him into the side of the frigging building, and asked for the frigging security tapes???? At the very least check WHO entered your house while you weren't there. But if you stop and think about it, maybe try and check on you wife and what she's been up to.
But instead you're going to vacation in Vegas. God dammit. Such a stupid plot-hole.

 

[Maviarab]

I am not sure, I think she was high, saw him and said: yeah I don't "know" him, lets go.

She admits she knew him from work...it was all very calculated. She probably even knew he would be there but as I said, didn;t realise her 'pick' was him. IIRC wasn't she at the bar waiting/looking/scoping? He probably recognised her and went over...and we are we are.

As we all say/agree, it's the single worst thing she has done so far....not just for the video/getting high/breaking rules, but she broke the damn rules before she even left. She knew exactly what she wasd doing and honestly, I'm struggling to believe she 'needed' to get drunk/high to go through with it. She already had the K on her as far as I'm concerned (she didn't conveneiently find a dealer there)....and she 'wanted' to get high.

Am I an asshole? Yes. I've unfortunately been married to someone very much like her.....as someone else mentioned about the sky, if Lacey told me it was raining, I'd go outside and get wet to confirm it. But then I'd have already left her long before the Bastion incident so I am heavily biased here I'll admit.

All the Barty questions could have been answered if the damn MC would have been just a bit more proactive.
I mean...your landlord let himself into your home where he shot a porno and made it look like your wife, as far as you know. Go to the fucking police !!!! OR even better. Confront ol Barty with it. You're freakishly strong, perceptive, smart and deeply protective. WHY the hell haven't you grabbed Barty by the collar and smashed him into the side of the frigging building, and asked for the frigging security tapes???? At the very least check WHO entered your house while you weren't there. But if you stop and think about it, maybe try and check on you wife and what she's been up to.
But instead you're going to vacation in Vegas. God dammit. Such a stupid plot-hole.

Exactly 100% this, a 100 times. Unfortunately though, as I have said, no one acts like a real person here (which pisses me off to no end, as this is supposed to be a serious story)...we are as I have said before, at the mercy of our so called professional screenwriter.

 

[AL.d]

Am I an asshole? Yes. I've unfortunately been married to someone very much like her.....

I was lucky enough to see the light before such a tragedy occurred.

The reason I find this game engaging and her character both the most despicable and the most well written, is because I've seen that shit up close. Some of their convos and especially the way she is navigating them, are almost identical with shit I've experienced.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

She probably even knew he would be there but as I said, didn;t realise her 'pick' was him.

In the apathy conversation she is trying to get a raise on him, being hurtfull but seems sincere.

She says that she knew him, and choose to ignore the rules priorizating her desires over his wants. She broke all rules knowing. She could have picked any rando in the bar and follow the rules, made the lesson happen, but picked Damian specificaly because she wanted. She ignored the kiss and the cumming inside because she wanted, because it would make the emotional feeding for her stronger.

She wanted to make a lesson for him, that sex meant nothing, but after taking the K and read the texts, she changed the plan completely, it became all about her pleasure even before the sex started.

I'm struggling to believe she 'needed' to get drunk/high to go through with it

Its a nice way to diminish and redirect responsability and blame at that time, nothing more. With her Sex means nothing attitud she didnt need it. She claims he made sex special, but has proven later that she dosent believe that. The only "special sex" is with him, all the rest is just sex.

 

[anongamer1983]

Alright guys....how about potential endings then? We have three routes, but they don't really differ much currently. I suppose the bimbo path could differ a lot if her actual look changes...but basically there really isn't much between them is there?

So I'm thinkin, regardless of path choice:

1. Everything works out, fix issues, lovely dovey into the sunset.
2. As above, but shared with one of more of the crew.
3. Leave Lacey for one of the crew, live your life.
4. Truly pimp lacey up and keep her permanently high and a drooling doll, need to come up with a pricing plan for her holes though.
5. Lacey dies...we either get rescued by a crew member or we throw ourselves off the cliff.

Any others you can think of?

So I already posted what I thought about path specific good/neutral endings. I also gave thoughts on what different stages of good guy could mean. I'll do my best to think of universal bits here

In any ending, I think you will get to date 1 or 2 girls, but not the whole crew. This isn't stated in the Story, but there is text in unused game files to back this up. Dev could obviously change their mind.

Good endings (Keep in mind, High/Low values are only relevant for good endings. a Low good guy score could imply 25+ or something like that)
1.) High Love + High Good Guy
Obviously she gets through therapy, finds a way to leave her past behind, and finds happiness. Lacey no longer has strong feelings of being worthless. MC gets through therapy, they have a healthy family, etc.

2.) High Love + Low Good Guy
Lacey and MC stay together, but MC never lets her forget her past. She and MC's relationship is fine, but remains strained. They don't have kids together because Lacey never feels like she could get to that point. Instead, she's MC's slut

3.) Low Love + High Good Guy
Lacey accepts that while MC doesn't view her as worthless or just a slut, he also doesn't view her as "His Lacey". In this, Lacey is ready to have a family, but MC isn't. They stay together, but the relationship is strained. If you are dating one of the other girls, then maybe Lacey accepts being "the secondary love".

4.) Low Love + Low Good Guy
Lacey and MC stay together, but neither of them feel that they will ever feel happy in the relationship. Love is there, but the neither of them put in the effort to actually heal and move past it. Lacey and MC possibly doesn't finish therapy

Bad Endings
1.) NTR End (low love?)
1a.) Useless MC
MC doesn't heed the monsters warnings about being so passive. MC's constant trust in his friends and their motivations leads to their downfall. Without MC actively stopping the NTR villains, they win, getting more NTR whether by manipulation, blackmail, etc. This in turn ends MC and Lacey's relationship permanently

1b.) Abusive MC
MC can't handle Lacey's past and constantly reminds her that she's nothing but a whore. Making her cry over and over again until she's convinced she really is just a useless whore. MC leaves her or simply lets her fend for herself against NTR Villains. She isn't strong enough to protect herself from their influence and she falls back into Ketamine use.
Maybe she "escapes" with Isaac or something since MC leaves her for good.
I think this would only be with Low Love because I think High Love would result in the Ketamine Overdose

2.) Ketamine Overdose
Similar to Abusive MC leading to NTR above except in this, Lacey would rather die than go back to her college self. She knows MC will never love her or respect her, so she decides to take Ketamine until it kills her

3.) The Cliffs
MC didn't pursue relationships with the other girls, and he can't forgive Lacey. Without another love in his life, he is left hollow and broken, refusing help from therapy. He visits the cliffs since his one true love doesn't exist anymore. Maybe Lacey falling to the NTR villains causes it, or maybe it's something else.

4.) Vengeance (High Love/Good Guy)
MC talks a lot about wanting to fight or kill people that was with Lacey. I think in this instance, NTR Villains get a win, but Lacey had no choice. Seeing Lacey broken and disgusted with herself from having to do what the NTR Villains want, the MC makes sure they can't ever hurt his Lacey again. Lacey and MC stay together, but MC is serving a long prison sentence.