VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 2] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[anongamer1983]

Right, Bad idea…. And number 6 and 7 should be her Major goals… is again selfish oriented goal setting, MC Relation is Of Minor value…my memory was correct…

She never mentions if any goal is major or minor. As others have mentioned, it seems to come off as a Plan of Action, with each goal meant to resolve one of her issues rather than a list of importance.

5 is obviously not something she can do immediately, but lets look at 6, being a stable and reliable partner
4.) If she can't even go on a girls trip or making a new friend without fucking up, then Goal 6 can't be met.
3.) She needs to make a new friend because Mia is toxic (In all seriousness, this is a really simple and easy goal to accomplish that could help with her recovery). In any case, it should help Goal 6
2.) She needs an outlet instead of alcohol/ketamine. If she can't do this, then IMO point 6 is impossible.
1.) Anna is MC's best friend. The one who saved MC's life. I also think she feels this needs to be done before Goal 6 is possible

Unless there is some text that I'm unaware of suggests it's an order of importance, then I really don't think it is

 

[Maviarab]

She never mentions if any goal is major or minor. As others have mentioned, it seems to come off as a Plan of Action, with each goal meant to resolve one of her issues rather than a list of importance.

5 is obviously not something she can do immediately, but lets look at 6, being a stable and reliable partner
4.) If she can't even go on a girls trip or making a new friend without fucking up, then Goal 6 can't be met.
3.) She needs to make a new friend because Mia is toxic (In all seriousness, this is a really simple and easy goal to accomplish that could help with her recovery). In any case, it should help Goal 6
2.) She needs an outlet instead of alcohol/ketamine. If she can't do this, then IMO point 6 is impossible.
1.) Anna is MC's best friend. The one who saved MC's life. I also think she feels this needs to be done before Goal 6 is possible

Unless there is some text that I'm unaware of suggests it's an order of importance, then I really don't think it is

I like the cut of your jib there Anon.

I completely agree. There is nothing here against the MC or in priority against him but things she can either rectify soon and things she knows she can't as they are going to take much work.

After all my bashing over the last week, I will defend her here.

 

[telly1712]

I like the cut of your jib there Anon.

I completely agree. There is nothing here against the MC or in priority against him but things she can either rectify soon and things she knows she can't as they are going to take much work.

After all my bashing over the last week, I will defend her here.

Dont agree… if i am a horrible Partner, Wife and on the Edge to loose the love of my life (If MC is really center of her Deep love) then my First goal would be to try everything to be a Good reliable, lovable Partner and Not thinking to fix the Relation with the friend of my husband.— sorry,..- but anyhow - different thoughts, different life experiences,
…

 

[AL.d]

Dont agree… if i am a horrible Partner, Wife and on the Edge to loose the love of my life (If MC is really center of her Deep love) then my First goal would be to try everything to be a Good reliable, lovable Partner and Not thinking to fix the Relation with the friend of my husband.— sorry,..- but anyhow - different thoughts, different life experiences,
…

I'm the last person to give her the benefit of the doubt, but from a therapy standpoint, this can only be a long term goal. Focusing on herself has to come first. Because she is the main problem of her marriage. So fixing her marriage is impossible if she doesn't try to fix herself first.

That said, I'd like to know where Marty fits on the list. Probably a mix of making a new friend and being stable and reliable partner...

 

[Maviarab]

I'm the last person to give her the benefit of the doubt, but from a therapy standpoint, this can only be a long term goal. Focusing on herself has to come first. Because she is the main problem of her marriage. So fixing her marriage is impossible if she doesn't try to fix herself first.

That said, I'd like to know where Marty fits on the list. Probably a mix of making a new friend and being stable and reliable partner...

Marty?

 

[AL.d]

Marty?

I usually call him baldy from jd because I forget his name. Which I probably did again.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Marty?

Morty, jealosy date dude. A typo.

To make the comment a little longer, revealed from the jealosy date aftermath if you allow it, she already ignored the therapyst advice.

 

[Sayora]

Seriously, wtf are you actually on about?

1. She isn't evil to anyone. (well, towards the MC is debatable).
2. Loves her partner? So does the succubus...
3. You do realise you can both love someone and treat them terribly? Right? (common theme of the story in case you missed it).

Fuck it...actually going to list for you as you obviously have no clue:

1. Leaves him not once but twice. The second time a complete abandonment.
2. Stays in touch with the succubus ever since the cliff phone call.
3. Will assume she knows of the succubus' 'few relapses' between meeting again and getting married. Says nothing.
4. Starts playing tennis with the succubus as her 'cute friend', knowing why, yet says...nothing to the MC.
5. Gaslights the MC and runs interferance for Lacey the morning of the 'prank'. Knows exactly why yet....says nothing to the MC.
6. The second 'and' third week of Lacey's Jared parties.....completely ignores the MC..oh and...says...nothing...to...the...MC.
7. After the succubus tells her and Mia about her fix the cuck plan...says 'I'll support you'...(btw...doesn't bother telling the MC).
8. Knows about the succubus' 'supposed' brain damage'....shall I bother saying it again?
9. Know's about the succubus' plan to cuck her 'best friend' (you know, the man she loves)...oh...and...yup, you guessed it....
10. Gives the MC a GODAMN PITY FUCK...because the succubus TOLD HER TO!
11. Babysits the MC (because apparently he a child)
12. Deletes the succubus' wonderful reunion conversation with Isaac....
13. Majorly deflects the MC's questions regarding what Mia is up to. Call this a lie of omission if you like. She knew what he was asking.
14. Betrays Lacey and the MC knowing Mia's plan....
15. Tuesday (last day of Act 2)...does NOT want a PITY DATE from the MC (ohh the fucking irony)....

Chronological order for you. All this as supposedly the MC's 'best friend' and someone who 'loves him'. Now, I'm not going to make judgements on people, but personally? I can do without 'friends' like that in my life.

Did I miss anything?

If his girlfriend is evil to others, will offend the weak,

this was a metaphor and did not refer to a specific VN character.

Thank you for writing out all of Anna's "sins."

I first wrote a wall of text point by point, but changed my mind because my arguments won't convince you. I'll say right away that I don't consider more than half of the so-called sins to be sins at all. But looking at the list, I'll notice that 90% of them imply Anna's help in hiding the truth from the MC and intentional or unintentional help for Lacey.

I can only explain this strange tendency by Anna's hidden motives or cosmic rays.
According to the genre's rules, she should sabotage the whore's attempts to succeed in every possible way.
As I already said, women are like spiders in a jar, they are rivals, and in the end, the strongest literally survives, the rest will be eaten.
perhaps Anna is our strongest spider.

 

[telly1712]

Exactly- as

I'm the last person to give her the benefit of the doubt, but from a therapy standpoint, this can only be a long term goal. Focusing on herself has to come first. Because she is the main problem of her marriage. So fixing her marriage is impossible if she doesn't try to fix herself first.

That said, I'd like to know where Marty fits on the list. Probably a mix of making a new friend and being stable and reliable partner...

Exactly as you Said She has First to fix herself… like working on her addictions (drugs, alcohol, sex) , her narciss ism, her selfishness, her alternative thruth and easy lies telling, etc. … But nothing-.. her List is partly a very bad joke—-like the Girls Weekend.— i am wondering That the therapist did Not correct. or „help“..

 

[Diosvincenccio]

I'm the last person to give her the benefit of the doubt, but from a therapy standpoint, this can only be a long term goal. Focusing on herself has to come first. Because she is the main problem of her marriage. So fixing her marriage is impossible if she doesn't try to fix herself first.

How cant you trust her? I mean its the same girl than a day or two after breaking every rule and cucking her husband she goes to the bar to flirt with a trust me bro attitude, are you out of your mind? how cant you trust her?

 

[Maviarab]

I usually call him baldy from jd because I forget his name. Which I probably did again.

Morty, jealosy date dude. A typo.

To make the comment a little longer, revealed from the jealosy date aftermath if you allow it, she already ignored the therapyst advice.

I was so confused...how did I not get that lol.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

For reassons some of you know, im bored out of my mind, so i asked someone and saint Google what men want in a relationship and compared both answers to what Lacey offers to the MC. I expected it to be bad, but spoiler alert, its a slaughter.

21 things men really want in a relationship.

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18 of 21 concepts needed in a good relationship failed. She does have a shit load of work to do on herself.

 

[Maviarab]

For reassons some of you know, im bored out of my mind, so i asked someone and saint Google what men want in a relationship and compared both answers to what Lacey offers to the MC. I expected it to be bad, but spoiler alert, its a slaughter.

21 things men really want in a relationship.

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18 of 21 concepts needed in a good relationship failed. She does have a shit load of work to do on herself.

I think you're being unfair with #11. They could have fun...they could take a bike ride to the local fair and....

Wait...no, scrub that one...my bad

 

[AL.d]

I think you're being unfair with #11. They could have fun...they could take a bike ride to the local fair and....

Wait...no, scrub that one...my bad

Lacey could maybe have some fun. Reminiscing about the times she actually was the bike ride of a local fair.

Him...not so much.

 

[Sayora]

18 of 21 concepts needed in a good relationship failed. She does have a shit load of work to do on herself.

So there are 19 more episodes ahead of us.

In each of which Lacey will try to bury herself even deeper. (Although there is nowhere deeper)
and in the final episode a miracle will happen and they will live happily ever after and die on the same day. (Playing cheerful music, credits are running and everyone is dancing)

 

[Diosvincenccio]

So there are 19 more episodes ahead of us.

Wait... what? what are you on? what? where the hell did you get the 19 more episodes... i mean i guess thats what you call the Acts, but, seriosly, what? how did you get that conclusion? Its not like every act she fails one of the concepts...she is failing almost all of them at the same time. If anything she is trying to improve herself to start doing better and fail less of them.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

To be fair i decided to apply the same concepts on what the MC offers to Lacey.

21 things you really want in a relationship.

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9 out of 21 concepts failed.

 

[winterwolf200]

To be fair i decided to apply the same concepts on what the MC offers to Lacey.

21 things you really want in a relationship.

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9 out of 21 concepts failed.

I don't quite agree with number 5. He's communicating quite a lot actually. In fact, he's doing most of the talking. He's constantly explaining himself to his whore of a wife, saying exactly what he wants from her, what he's feeling and what he surmises about her thoughts and feelings. He is, for the most part, doing his best at communication, considering the circumstances. His wife not being able to understand any of it is on her, because anyone else understands. She's just a psychopath.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

To be fair i decided to apply the same concepts on what the MC offers to Lacey.

21 things you really want in a relationship.

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9 out of 21 concepts failed.

After having a read over this I realised that when it comes to Lacey and what the MC actually knows about her they are all largely either trauma based or just bad in general.

abuse at a young age from her father / potentially the mother as well ( can't remember if that ever gets covered) , drug and alcohol abuse , "brain damage" ( still not fully sold on this) , total slagggggg who loves to get all her doors smashed in ( you know it's bad when someone asks how many partners you have had and you could reply a years worth ) there's likely to be more so feel free to add them

But in regards to good/pure/nice things the MC knows about Lacey the only thing I can think of is that she is a talented artist - if anyone knows of any others please post them

But in regards to this I never gave it much thought until seeing your post , like there relationship almost feels like an arranged marriage and they never really got to know eachother in the build up/ as it progresses

Disclaimer - I am not comparing the MC's and Lacey's marriage exclusively to an arranged marriage I just couldn't think of another way to describe it

 

[DeviantFun]

After having a read over this I realised that when it comes to Lacey and what the MC actually knows about her they are all largely either trauma based or just bad in general.

abuse at a young age from her father / potentially the mother as well ( can't remember if that ever gets covered) , drug and alcohol abuse , "brain damage" ( still not fully sold on this) , total slagggggg who loves to get all her doors smashed in ( you know it's bad when someone asks how many partners you have had and you could reply a years worth ) there's likely to be more so feel free to add them

But in regards to good/pure/nice things the MC knows about Lacey the only thing I can think of is that she is a talented artist - if anyone knows of any others please post them

But in regards to this I never gave it much thought until seeing your post , like there relationship almost feels like an arranged marriage and they never really got to know eachother in the build up/ as it progresses

Disclaimer - I am not comparing the MC's and Lacey's marriage exclusively to an arranged marriage I just couldn't think of another way to describe it

The author is less explicit when it comes to fun parts of the character relationships.

Look at when Will shows up at the house, Lacey and MC are shown to be in super sync in terms of humor, same as Lacey and her pimp with the whore jokes.

I would like to think we kind of see Lacey with others being very serious, she doesn't smile much.
She smiled with other people only while getting covered with cum.

So yeah he is subtle in showing the non drama part of the relationship.

On another note, I went through the game a couple of times and I stopped thinking again about MC "revelation", when he tells himself that Lacey came back despite having tried it all, she still decided to come back to him.

So, while it is partially true, Lacey did come back to him there are quite a few caveats:

• Lacey grew tired of the "lifestyle", it was not a choice done to go back to him, she just got bored and tired of it.(this is stated plenty by the pimp)
• It is still all tied to the sexual stuff, the abandonment part is completely glossed over
• If not for Anna's call, despite what Lacey says after, she might not have came back

I had more in my mind but I can't write immediately when they come to mind so I lose them over time.

But the just of it is clear, it is a very very very silly realisation given the information we know, she didn't leave the lifestyle for MC, she left it because she got tired of it, so the whole "great realizatiob" kinda falls flat.