VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 3] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Avaron1974]

Does she though? She certainly tells him all the right things... but does she actually, truly show that she does?

You're thinking about love.

We've already established she doesn't love him.

Lacey is like a parasite. She needs the MC, she feeds off the MC but she doesn't provide him with anything.

It's not what she's said, it's what he's always been for her. When she was abused as a child he was her safe space. Whenever something goes bad he is her safe space. She NEEDS him but she doesn't love him. She clings to him because he makes her feel good, safe and protected. He is the only good thing that she's ever known.

So yes, I truly believe without him she'd completely break down far enough to end her life.

Like I said previously, without him she'd shatter but without her he's free.

It's also why I say she can't love him, it's impossible. She's never known love. She was an abused child, she was junkie gangbanged and used teen and now she's a severely damaged adult. She's never known the feeling of love except from the MC. He is her only attachment to a more human element. He is, quite literally, her everything. It's also incredibly one sided. He thinks he loves her because he has built it up in his mind for years since his childhood.

Sorry for repeating this but it's also why the profs intended route for the MC and Lacey will never work unless in act 4 he starts to turn things around. If there are any more shit piles on the MC it will just be too much I think. Personally I think it's already gone too far into dramatic territory with those 2. I personally think act 3 should have been him and the girls starting to fix things properly if he's planning on keeping up with this conspiracy nonsense. The relationship isn't solid enough for that kind of angle.

 

[funnythings3785]

Hey...I do not know how to take this.

Also it is not true, I don't know where you got that idea, but Lacey killing herself is definitely on the table, I have been a staunch supporter of this since act 1.
Or at the very least, an attempt would be made.

The guys that do not believe a word Lacey says are others (come on you know who they are), I support her words as humanly possible unless they are declared as lies in the material.

Really, where is this coming from?

I am beginning to doubt. Likely due to the drastic character changes, which... to be honest, for those calling her a "schemer" which has some ulterior motive, honestly... it is showing its head. The only reason I doubt that conclusion is because I think most of the issues are due to the professor "adoring" her and paying so much attention to her "development" and disregard for the MC that I have started to have such ponderings.

She shows signs of someone who is manipulating, just like the little girl who used the MC to survive, she is still using him... to gain herself, to find her footing. Part of me thinks that in this process, he will simply be a component used to achieve her ultimate goals, maybe not through direct intention, but like the little girl, just using what is within reach to achieve her own sanity, her own self stability. She isn't concerned with those around her, only that she finds the footing, like a person drowning grasping out at anything near to find some hold.

Keep in mind, I am not saying she is doing this "fully knowing", but as a part of her instinct for her perceived survival which is why she shows regret every so often, but also why that regret is slowly fading and her actions in the more recent acts show less "sensitivity" to the MC.

I mean, this story could take a route... where it isn't about the MC, it isn't about their relationship, it could end up being Lacey using him, literally USING him as a means to find her own place. I know that sounds screwed up, and frankly, makes me want to put her in a wood chipper more, but it "could" be this all about Lacey achieving her salvation at the cost of everyone around her, the victory of the last man standing among the ruins. The eventual realization that they have finally regained themselves, but... at what cost?

I can live with a story like that, but it has to have a ending of absolute turmoil and regret for what was desired to be achieved, and what was actually achieved.

 

[DeviantFun]

I am beginning to doubt. Likely due to the drastic character changes, which... to be honest, for those calling her a "schemer" which has some ulterior motive, honestly... it is showing its head. The only reason I doubt that conclusion is because I think most of the issues are due to the professor "adoring" her and paying so much attention to her "development" and disregard for the MC that I have started to have such ponderings.

She shows signs of someone who is manipulating, just like the little girl who used the MC to survive, she is still using him... to gain herself, to find her footing. Part of me thinks that in this process, he will simply be a component used to achieve her ultimate goals, maybe not through direct intention, but like the little girl, just using what is within reach to achieve her own sanity, her own self stability. She isn't concerned with those around her, only that she finds the footing, like a person drowning grasping out at anything near to find some hold.

Keep in mind, I am not saying she is doing this "fully knowing", but as a part of her instinct for her perceived survival which is why she shows regret every so often, but also why that regret is slowly fading and her actions in the more recent acts show less "sensitivity" to the MC.

I mean, this story could take a route... where it isn't about the MC, it isn't about their relationship, it could end up being Lacey using him, literally USING him as a means to find her own place. I know that sounds screwed up, and frankly, makes me want to put her in a wood chipper more, but it "could" be this all about Lacey achieving her salvation at the cost of everyone around her, the victory of the last man standing among the ruins. The eventual realization that they have finally regained themselves, but... at what cost?

I can live with a story like that, but it has to have a ending of absolute turmoil and regret for what was desired to be achieved, and what was actually achieved.

Well, one thing that was mentioned here in the thread and has been picked up in the story is the fact that Lacey might resent MC for not helping her in college (the idea from the thread was that the other side was her resentment, which was a pretty good idea admittedly even if I didn't really think it would find a way in the story),

It was always a bit unclear how Anna found Lacey, was she easy to find or hard to find?
In act 3 it seems finding Lacey would have been an easy task, since even Mc never mentions that he wouldn't know at which college she went.

I mean she went out of state, the US is kinda big, but considering that every member of Lacey's alma mater is dropping in the same city, it might not have been that far away .

Another thing that is my impression but that is never mentioned in the material, is that Lacey uses sex as a reward for Mc, weaponizing it.

MC comes back after a fight? mega BJ.
MC lets her go on the work trip? (good idea btw) MC fantasy bottle in the ass is performed.
MC is angry about being cheated on? Phone sex.
Mc is angry about Isaac? Sex.
And how can I forget? Jealousy Date? sex marathon.

I mean it seems pretty clear to me, but it is never referenced anywhere.

 

[FangYuann]

Hey guys, I remember playing this game back in ch.1 and overall enjoying it, it was frustrating, but the ending was somewhat on the good side and apparently heading towards things being better, I decided to take some time from it and come back when there was more development.

Well, here I am, act 3's here, and the comments are seriously worrying me, did this devolve into a fully NTR, deceit ridden thing? I already knew his relationship with Lacey wasn't healthy, but I thought it was two broken people that loved each other hurting the other by mistake, not intentionally.

Did this not get any bit happier? I mean, I'm not judging the game, but I don't know if I have the emotional to deal with such a long game with nothing but pain currently. Ch.1 I remember being gigantic, if the other two went about the same length, I'm looking at hours and hours of play where it could possibly just ruin my day.

Again, I know I may just not be the target audience here, that's understandable, and if the story's well told I can respect it, but I'm curious if this has become a bit of a "misery porn" story or not.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

But I’m a bit curious to hear what you expected from her or from Vegas. Should it have been drama-free? If not, what should the drama have been?

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It’s supposed to be a remorseful day, a disinterested and altruistic act but it’s organised by Abby

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I still think that self-healing should happen first. If you hate yourself, chances are you’re not going to be able to be lucid enough to be better to others.

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Do you mean Abby here ?

No, i really meant the Professor, it was just another way to say that he has some writting issues.

Hard no here. It’s still roofing without consent. It doesn’t matter what they think afterwards. There’s always a chance their judgement had already been clouded by the mix of ecstasy and alcohol. You don’t “willingly” do something after being unknowingly dosed. You willingly let someone drug you if you’re sober when making that decision and consent to it. If a drug kills your inhibitions, chances are you would have never done said action sober.

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I mean, everybody gets a pass with the MC. That’s who he is. If he could give 2 free passes to Mia (which I’m still bitter about to be honest), Jeanette should get one. It’s logical, in his eyes. I wish he could hold a grudge a bit longer but that’s not his character I guess.

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I don’t remember if Lacey has already mentioned what she considers minor or not

It doesn't matter if Lacey considers it minor or not... but that MC considered it important enough that he wanted to mention it, so for him, it was not minor. And again we end with a MC being policed on what he can feel or think.

Because I see the premise of the story and a lot of the events as highly unrealistic,

The story so far in Act 1 and 2, while drastic and exagerated... felt realistic. The symptoms, again, the checklist of cheated persons feelings, followed to a T. Now there is not realism at all on this, and we can only enjoy the first emotional ride. This story only holds itselfs the first (unprepared for it) time you read it. Very different of how in Act 1 and 2 you could come back to reread and pick new details with the new info. That has been lost because of all the changes in the characters personalities.

If that’s the case, it might just be another step that leads to his mental breakdown.

Thats correct, but if its not exagerated so much as to go into the "why bother holding Lacey acountable", its another of the cheated on feelings.

Back to my “she’s good at what she’s experienced” theory: she’s had Lorenzo as a sexual partner back in college. She supposedly knows how he feels during sex, maybe how self-aware he is. She’s talked with Mia about dick size and the male ego. Thus to me, she can understand his predicament and give him some advice.

But that contradicts the way she doesn't understand her or MC feelings... or are we supposed to accept that she can mach relationship advices from different points and sources, weave them togueter until sound advice, for everyone else except her and MC?

“I will come back to you” is ambiguous enough to be interpreted as either “I’ll reappear in your life” or “I’ll be yours again”. If it's option 1, they’re technically not an item.

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"this is contradictory with that... is a mistake or is done intentionally?" if it’s done intentionally, the point is to not reveal it though.

"helping him avoid "bad ideas"" The problem with ideas that are deemed bad is that it’s often purely subjective. Bad ideas for ones are great for others. Some people hated act 3, others really enjoyed it, some others were in-between. Who’s right here ? So if you or like-minded people were to help and steer the dev away from "bad ideas" so it fits better with what you think should be, what about all the other people who enjoyed it the way it was before?

The point was that instead of what he thinks he is writing, he is sure that what he has writted matches his intent.

Like i said, its not about dictating what the others want so he can write the other people story, but to have someone that checks that he is fully aware of the consecuencies of what he has written, and he goes with it with that exact intent.

And of course, this "editing" and "fact checking" would be done in private, during the writting portion of the game development, not a discussion in public forum for other users to see or participate.

 

[funnythings3785]

Hey guys, I remember playing this game back in ch.1 and overall enjoying it, it was frustrating, but the ending was somewhat on the good side and apparently heading towards things being better, I decided to take some time from it and come back when there was more development.

Well, here I am, act 3's here, and the comments are seriously worrying me, did this devolve into a fully NTR, deceit ridden thing? I already knew his relationship with Lacey wasn't healthy, but I thought it was two broken people that loved each other hurting the other by mistake, not intentionally.

Did this not get any bit happier? I mean, I'm not judging the game, but I don't know if I have the emotional to deal with such a long game with nothing but pain currently. Ch.1 I remember being gigantic, if the other two went about the same length, I'm looking at hours and hours of play where it could possibly just ruin my day.

Again, I know I may just not be the target audience here, that's understandable, and if the story's well told I can respect it, but I'm curious if this has become a bit of a "misery porn" story or not.

Maybe DeviantFun could it explain it better, but this isn't the normal NTR fanfare. The frustration is more... the writing in how various situations are dealt with. The MC isn't the typical NTR Prop, but he is treated as such in ways that while frustrating, isn't the typical "Ha ha suck it up cuck, the FC/antagonist are the winner!" type of situation (ie Hangover Cat style).

It really is its own thing in that respect.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Hey guys, I remember playing this game back in ch.1 and overall enjoying it, it was frustrating, but the ending was somewhat on the good side and apparently heading towards things being better, I decided to take some time from it and come back when there was more development.

Well, here I am, act 3's here, and the comments are seriously worrying me, did this devolve into a fully NTR, deceit ridden thing? I already knew his relationship with Lacey wasn't healthy, but I thought it was two broken people that loved each other hurting the other by mistake, not intentionally.

Did this not get any bit happier? I mean, I'm not judging the game, but I don't know if I have the emotional to deal with such a long game with nothing but pain currently. Ch.1 I remember being gigantic, if the other two went about the same length, I'm looking at hours and hours of play where it could possibly just ruin my day.

Again, I know I may just not be the target audience here, that's understandable, and if the story's well told I can respect it, but I'm curious if this has become a bit of a "misery porn" story or not.

Fully NTR as in sex scenes? No, but has a lot of cheating involved, mostly on emotional side. What is filled of to the brim is "DECEIT" and "MISERY".

For the premise of the game... two broken people who loved each other and hurt each other by mistake... That changed a lot in Act 2, adding a spy story angle, and in Act 3, by recent revelations of one of the characters.

Emotionally wise, this game goes far beyond any of rest of VN, but the intent and premise of the game changed a lot.

 

[FangYuann]

Maybe DeviantFun could it explain it better, but this isn't the normal NTR fanfare. The frustration is more... the writing in how various situations are dealt with. The MC isn't the typical NTR Prop, but he is treated as such in ways that while frustrating, isn't the typical "Ha ha suck it up cuck, the FC/antagonist are the winner!" type of situation (ie Hangover Cat style).

It really is its own thing in that respect.

I see, I actually remember the guy lol, I had bit of a discussion with people here back on ch.1, I know there's some differences here, the mc getting with other girls and shit. My biggest problem at the time was lack of being held accountable, there was a lot of shady things Lacey did on ch 1 already, and no one basically gave her any shit for it.

I remember we learn later that she did it semi on purpose, cause she liked the mc being jealous, the tennis shit, the guy in the house with her, etc doesn't change the fact it hurt the mc, the worst thing for me was when he was forced to watch her with that guy from work and tried to kill himself, only for mia I think, basically still somehow blaming him.

I think what I wanted to know most if thischanged at all in that aspect.

 

[FangYuann]

Fully NTR as in sex scenes? No, but has a lot of cheating involved, mostly on emotional side. What is filled of to the brim is "DECEIT" and "MISERY".

For the premise of the game... two broken people who loved each other and hurt each other by mistake... That changed a lot in Act 2, adding a spy story angle, and in Act 3, by recent revelations of one of the characters.

Emotionally wise, this game goes far beyond any of rest of VN, but the intent and premise of the game changed a lot.

Shit, I see, actually, I think emotional cheating may be worst in some points, it gives that sense of dread I guess....

Yeah, unfortunately I think this may not be for me, again, all respect for the story, I remember finding it all really intriguing in ch.1, but I may be too much of a pussy to follow this trough, I get way too affected by stories/immerse myself way too much, etc.

 

[DeviantFun]

I see, I actually remember the guy lol, I had bit of a discussion with people here back on ch.1, I know there's some differences here, the mc getting with other girls and shit. My biggest problem at the time was lack of being held accountable, there was a lot of shady things Lacey did on ch 1 already, and no one basically gave her any shit for it.

I remember we learn later that she did it semi on purpose, cause she liked the mc being jealous, the tennis shit, the guy in the house with her, etc doesn't change the fact it hurt the mc, the worst thing for me was when he was forced to watch her with that guy from work and tried to kill himself, only for mia I think, basically still somehow blaming him.

I think what I wanted to know most if thischanged at all in that aspect.

Hey I remember you too, so first things firsts, if you are looking for accountability, you are not in the right place .

There is simply none, this flaw of the story is still in place, heck, MC is being blamed now and he actually apologizes to one of his abusers.
Well I guess Lacey does try to apologize after she fucks up, but as in act 1 it is really not remotely enough and simply tries to deflect a lot.

Act 2 Lacey is gone, and while she does have some improvements, we are stuck with act 1 Lacey again, with excuses , justifications and victimization.

The story is written to have moments like the ones you described, I actually think (but this is my opinion) the first moment like this in act 3 actually spoils the act and some characters quite badly.

So, if I understand you correctly, I would steer clear if you feel that act 1 ruined your day and don't want to go through it again.

Or you can try it a bit and stop as soon as things get bad, which is quite early.

 

[funnythings3785]

I see, I actually remember the guy lol, I had bit of a discussion with people here back on ch.1, I know there's some differences here, the mc getting with other girls and shit. My biggest problem at the time was lack of being held accountable, there was a lot of shady things Lacey did on ch 1 already, and no one basically gave her any shit for it.

I remember we learn later that she did it semi on purpose, cause she liked the mc being jealous, the tennis shit, the guy in the house with her, etc doesn't change the fact it hurt the mc, the worst thing for me was when he was forced to watch her with that guy from work and tried to kill himself, only for mia I think, basically still somehow blaming him.

I think what I wanted to know most if thischanged at all in that aspect.

ACT 1 and 2... I would say the story has issues, but overall would be a worthy investment, but after Act 3... You are probably going to be severely disappointed (if you keep tabs on characters, what they say, what they do, etc...). If you are the type to "go with the flow" and ride with the story, you "may" be ok, but to be honest, based on the post I read above... likely not, you will be in our camp (those who are pissed about how the MC is dumped, how many of the other characters change and get away with the crap for the sake of the "scenes").

I would say wait for another couple of acts to see how it plays out, maybe even wait till it is finished. At this point, I am going to be honest, the character development and story flow is a shit show.

 

[FangYuann]

Hey I remember you too, so first things firsts, if you are looking for accountability, you are not in the right place .

There is simply none, this flaw of the story is still in place, heck, MC is being blamed now and he actually apologizes to one of his abusers.
Well I guess Lacey does try to apologize after she fucks up, but as in act 1 it is really not remotely enough and simply tries to deflect a lot.

Act 2 Lacey is gone, and while she does have some improvements, we are stuck with act 1 Lacey again, with excuses , justifications and victimization.

The story is written to have moments like the ones you described, I actually think (but this is my opinion) the first moment like this in act 3 actually spoils the act and some characters quite badly.

So, if I understand you correctly, I would steer clear if you feel that act 1 ruined your day and don't want to go through it again.

Or you can try it a bit and stop as soon as things get bad, which is quite early.

ACT 1 and 2... I would say the story has issues, but overall would be a worthy investment, but after Act 3... You are probably going to be severely disappointed (if you keep tabs on characters, what they say, what they do, etc...). If you are the type to "go with the flow" and ride with the story, you "may" be ok, but to be honest, based on the post I read above... likely not, you will be in our camp (those who are pissed about how the MC is dumped, how many of the other characters change and get away with the crap for the sake of the "scenes").

I would say wait for another couple of acts to see how it plays out, maybe even wait till it is finished. At this point, I am going to be honest, the character development and story flow is a shit show.

I see...... well, I guess this is it lol, thank you all for your responses, I'll probably follow funnythings3785's advice and just wait till it ends and how things developed.... see you all then brothers.

 

[DeviantFun]

ACT 1 and 2... I would say the story has issues, but overall would be a worthy investment, but after Act 3... You are probably going to be severely disappointed (if you keep tabs on characters, what they say, what they do, etc...). If you are the type to "go with the flow" and ride with the story, you "may" be ok, but to be honest, based on the post I read above... likely not, you will be in our camp (those who are pissed about how the MC is dumped, how many of the other characters change and get away with the crap for the sake of the "scenes").

I would say wait for another couple of acts to see how it plays out, maybe even wait till it is finished. At this point, I am going to be honest, the character development and story flow is a shit show.

Come on pal, shitshow is a bit too harsh, don't you think?

I mean, I get where you are coming from, I really do.

But lets not lose our heads.

 

[twisted9951]

Is there any path where he loses the poker game in act 3 ?

 

[DeviantFun]

Is there any path where he loses the poker game in act 3 ?

No it has a fixed outcome, if you are looking for pure NTR stuff, this is not the game for you.

And the game came out like a few hours ago, use spoilers .

 

[Nimbus Commando]

So any option to tell Lacey to just piss off and go die yet, or is the MC still too much of a pathetic bitch to do that yet.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

So any option to tell Lacey to just piss off and go die yet, or is the MC still too much of a pathetic bitch to do that yet.

Not yet... but at the end of Act 3, MC does leave her... due reasons.

 

[Nimbus Commando]

Not yet... but at the end of Act 3, MC does leave her... due reasons.

Let me guess, she cheats again.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Let me guess, she cheats again.

No. He has developed hallucinations, in one of those, Lacey tells him that she is gonna get high on K and start slutting around again to make him hate her, so he could leave her... He does, but again, the whole scene was a hallucination.

 

[Saphfire]

Three or 4 users here really try to ruin this game for everybody else, and it looks like they are succeding.
I strongly urge everybody to read act 3 and build their own opinion. This thread here is no longer healthy.