VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 3] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Pugthulhu]

Act 3 was more vanilla than it's previous act. One thing I felt that could be avoid to break MC at the end after he tried to mend the broken pieces. And I don't get the reasoning behind in bringing her past 3 lovers together. Author could have build better story by individual characterizing those 3. And what was the reason in Lacey's meltdown in the end. I thought act 2shows her powering through worse cases. I felt like Author was trying to create cheap drama at the end.

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[NewGuy2022]

LOL, that is funny.

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I agree with your take on Kelly but I don't think the lease in MC's name only is a bad idea. In the event the marriage dissolves (a very real possibility if not for the fact the developer wants this to be a "healing" story) the house is in his name but not joint property. Depending upon the laws where they live, that might, or might not, make a difference in the settlement. It would protect the home from being lost in a suit if Lacey were to be sued by anyone. It's nothing I would recommend to a healthy loving married couple but these two are far from being a healthy loving married couple, at least at this point in the story.

 

[NewGuy2022]

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I agree. It also gave him a reason to

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But, as you said, positive scene for Lacey and ultimately positive, too, for the MC and the couple, I think.

 

[Pugthulhu]

I agree with your take on Kelly but I don't think the lease in MC's name only is a bad idea. In the event the marriage dissolves (a very real possibility if not for the fact the developer wants this to be a "healing" story) the house is in his name but not joint property. Depending upon the laws where they live, that might, or might not, make a difference in the settlement. It would protect the home from being lost in a suit if Lacey were to be sued by anyone. It's nothing I would recommend to a healthy loving married couple but these two are far from being a healthy loving married couple.

I'll grant you that. With the stuff The Monster said about the Tennessee property and the stuff coming from her alma matter it probably is better for them, however the call from her mom and the text from The Monster happened the night before FuckKelly told him what she had done. So she did not know that yet.
My worry is that she is waiting not for divorce or death, but for MC to be committed and using the Power of Attorney to kick Lacey out and take over the money and house for herself. I hope I'm wrong.

edit: Not to mention if they were going to go with leaving Lacey off of the paperwork they should have all met together and talked about it first.

 

[Lady Lydia]

I'll grant you that. With the stuff The Monster said about the Tennessee property and the stuff coming from her alma matter it probably is better for them, however the call from her mom and the text from The Monster happened the night before FuckKelly told him what she had done. So she did not know that yet.
My worry is that she is waiting not for divorce or death, but for MC to be committed and using the Power of Attorney to kick Lacey out and take over the money and house for herself. I hope I'm wrong.

edit: Not to mention if they were going to go with leaving Lacey off of the paperwork they should have all met together and talked about it first.

God you people don't pay attention to the characters, Kelly has it bad for the MC, just like everybody which is attracted to men, which mean every non-lesbian girls & probably every gay & bi men too. Look at the heart at the bottom left and you'll notice how you have a list of characters with a point score and a 'lover: true or false' guess what it means, everyone on that list is a LI for the MC, any notion any of them are plotting to harm the MC is dumb, are they plotting to various degree against each others over him? Sure they are women, that is what we do.

Kelly wants the MC so she is plotting against Lacey and their marriage to get him, that is all, in the end she wouldn't steal anything material, all she want is to steal his heart from Lacey. So yea if you pay attention to the LI list that is outright included you'll be able to know easily whoever the MC is supposed to be able to end up with so all of them are relatively well intended toward him, can they fuck up? Sure most of them did, but ultimately what they want above all else is the MC to be theirs, from anywhere from partially to fully, I would be more worried for the other girls on that list than for the MC when it come to most of them. Or worried about whoever isn't on that list.

Now obviously everyone whom are fans of Lacey above every other girls might take offense to those that try to break their marriage, but that doesn't mean they are not variably justified in their belief that they need to plot against Lacey, because she is the gatekeeper to the MC for one and second she has a very toxic relationship with the MC, she has systematically caused him harm since the start of the game.

 

[Arikania]

Missing tag: "male protagonist".

 

[Pugthulhu]

God you people don't pay attention to the characters, Kelly has it bad for the MC, just like everybody which is attracted to men, which mean every non-lesbian girls & probably every gay & bi men too. Look at the heart at the bottom left and you'll notice how you have a list of characters with a point score and a 'lover: true or false' guess what it means, everyone on that list is a LI for the MC, any notion any of them are plotting to harm the MC is dumb, are they plotting to various degree against each others over him? Sure they are women, that is what we do.

Kelly wants the MC so she is plotting against Lacey and their marriage to get him, that is all, in the end she wouldn't steal anything material, all she want is to steal his heart from Lacey. So yea if you pay attention to the LI list that is outright included you'll be able to know easily whoever the MC is supposed to be able to end up with so all of them are relatively well intended toward him, can they fuck up? Sure most of them did, but ultimately what they want above all else is the MC to be theirs, from anywhere from partially to fully, I would be more worried for the other girls on that list than for the MC when it come to most of them. Or worried about whoever isn't on that list.

Now obviously everyone whom are fans of Lacey above every other girls might take offense to those that try to break their marriage, but that doesn't mean they are not variably justified in their belief that they need to plot against Lacey, because she is the gatekeeper to the MC for one and second she has a very toxic relationship with the MC, she has systematically caused him harm since the start of the game.

Yup, I just checked.
Lacey 200 Lover = True
FuckKelly 0 Lover = False
Looks good to me.

And I didn't realize you liked Lacey enough to make that argument, but you are right that any notion that Lacey would intentionally harm the MC is dumb.

 

[NewGuy2022]

I'll grant you that. With the stuff The Monster said about the Tennessee property and the stuff coming from her alma matter it probably is better for them, however the call from her mom and the text from The Monster happened the night before FuckKelly told him what she had done. So she did not know that yet.
My worry is that she is waiting not for divorce or death, but for MC to be committed and using the Power of Attorney to kick Lacey out and take over the money and house for herself. I hope I'm wrong.

edit: Not to mention if they were going to go with leaving Lacey off of the paperwork they should have all met together and talked about it first.

I wasn't even considering the conspiracy stuff when I wrote about protecting the home. I just see that marriage as incredibly unstable at the moment for a number of reasons and the MC should be looking for ways to protect himself. If conditions improve and he grows to trust Lacey he always can amend the paperwork later but the sting of omitting her will be something he has to deal with for some time.

I don't say many good things about Act 3 Kelly (I was a big fan of hers earlier in the game) and you're right that there should've been a conversation about the lease prior to signing it. That likely would've felt like conspiracy or betrayal to Lacey when she learned of it. I just see nearly all of the women in the game still playing games with the MC and now more than ever he really isn't in a good enough place mentally to be able to sort these things out.

 

[DeviantFun]

I also want to reply to the drug talk. I've never used any of these drugs, I've been around people who have used, but I have no personal experience. I respect everyone who has experience and appreciate your addition to the story.

As for the drug use in this story, it is fictional drug use in a fictional story. I don't know the Professor's experience with any of these drugs if he has any. But what I do think is he is trying to tell a story and he needed a tool in order to make things happen in the story and he used the drug he found that was as close to what he was going for as he could. He could have just made up a fictional drug name and used it, but he didn't.
Rather than sitting and talking about how one drug doesn't do in real life what it does in the story, just accept that the results we've been given is the way it worked for those in the story.

Hey Pug, if you read the comments, the issue is that the drug is not consistent with itself in the narrative.

It says that it does things and yet those things are not happening if MC is involved ("lust" and loss of inhibition) or happening only if MC is involved (ignoring and humiliation).

It is written inconsistently, you could call it "ass plutonium" and make it completely fictional, but the real name should be "anti MC".

The explanations Lacey gives at the end also leave a lot of holes such as the "I am with friends" and then turning directly towards his husband and asking him stuff.

It was a clumsy attempt to add drama, the Prof is better than that and you know it.

And you know we already geve a lot of slack to the K topic, but this is way too much.

 

[Pugthulhu]

God you people don't pay attention to the characters, Kelly has it bad for the MC, just like everybody which is attracted to men, which mean every non-lesbian girls & probably every gay & bi men too. Look at the heart at the bottom left and you'll notice how you have a list of characters with a point score and a 'lover: true or false' guess what it means, everyone on that list is a LI for the MC, any notion any of them are plotting to harm the MC is dumb, are they plotting to various degree against each others over him? Sure they are women, that is what we do.

Kelly wants the MC so she is plotting against Lacey and their marriage to get him, that is all, in the end she wouldn't steal anything material, all she want is to steal his heart from Lacey. So yea if you pay attention to the LI list that is outright included you'll be able to know easily whoever the MC is supposed to be able to end up with so all of them are relatively well intended toward him, can they fuck up? Sure most of them did, but ultimately what they want above all else is the MC to be theirs, from anywhere from partially to fully, I would be more worried for the other girls on that list than for the MC when it come to most of them. Or worried about whoever isn't on that list.

Now obviously everyone whom are fans of Lacey above every other girls might take offense to those that try to break their marriage, but that doesn't mean they are not variably justified in their belief that they need to plot against Lacey, because she is the gatekeeper to the MC for one and second she has a very toxic relationship with the MC, she has systematically caused him harm since the start of the game.

Another question for you here.
Do you not feel that FuckKelly trying to make the MC more mentally unstable by adding sexual innuendos into conversation to make him think he is hallucinating is not plotting to harm the MC?

 

[DeviantFun]

Another question for you here.
Do you not feel that FuckKelly trying to make the MC more mentally unstable by adding sexual innuendos into conversation to make him think he is hallucinating is not plotting to harm the MC?

I am not discounting what she is doing as I don't like it either, but her plot is not to harm the MC, it is explained in the material.

Grant her the same courtesy you grant Mia, Lacey, Anna, Veronica and so on, because they all done worse, way worse.

Or not, up to you

 

[Pugthulhu]

Hey Pug, if you read the comments, the issue is that the drug is not consistent with itself in the narrative.

It says that it does things and yet those things are not happening if MC is involved ("lust" and loss of inhibition) or happening only if MC is involved (ignoring and humiliation).

It is written inconsistently, you could call it "ass plutonium" and make it completely fictional, but the real name should be "anti MC".

The explanations Lacey gives at the end also leave a lot of holes such as the "I am with friends" and then turning directly towards his husband and asking him stuff.

It was a clumsy attempt to add drama, the Prof is better than that and you know it.

And you know we already geve a lot of slack to the K topic, but this is way too much.

I agree it is sloppy writing and I wish it had been done better.

 

[Nimbus Commando]

Yup, I just checked.
Lacey 200 Lover = True
FuckKelly 0 Lover = False
Looks good to me.

And I didn't realize you liked Lacey enough to make that argument, but you are right that any notion that Lacey would intentionally harm the MC is dumb.

All she does is fucking harm him. lol

 

[Lady Lydia]

Yup, I just checked.
Lacey 200 Lover = True
FuckKelly 0 Lover = False
Looks good to me.

And I didn't realize you liked Lacey enough to make that argument, but you are right that any notion that Lacey would intentionally harm the MC is dumb.

Yea the lover status of Kelly is still False, but the fact the option is there imply like I said its inherent that she is a LI for the MC, so she isn't there to screw him over. As for what you asked about her trying to make the MC unstable, is that really what she is trying to do? Also their mentally unstable and MENTALLY UNSTABLE, look she likely doesn't expect the MC is a snap away from a complete mental breakdown, nearly that he has issues, the people saying its worst than anything Lacey did are ridiculous, that its worst than Abby, that is insane.

Yea she might have fucked up but if you again paid attention you'd noticed at this point most characters around are just about mentally unstable at this point, whatever effect the MC has on them, it doesn't help mentally, it makes them reliant on him for their mental well being, just like Lacey originally did. So do I blame Kelly for starting to be affected because she was basically just about promised her shot at the MC but she hasn't really gotten it and it has started fraying her mental stability, like I said in another comment, have you seen Yue? She is outright in withdrawal from the MC, and the MC interacted less with her than Kelly, so yea Kelly is going somewhat crazy like every other LIs the MC has.

 

[Pugthulhu]

I am not discounting what she is doing as I don't like it either, but her plot is not to harm the MC, it is explained in the material.

Grant her the same courtesy you grant Mia, Lacey, Anna, Veronica and so on, because they all done worse, way worse.

Or not, up to you

Ok, I just played through that scene again and reread the material. I will adjust my assessment. Her intention is to get him to snap and fuck her. Still she is pushing a mentally unstable person trying to make him snap. A person who is known to be suicidal and she want to push him just so she can get lucky. Ok, that doesn't sound better. So ya, Fuck Kelly.

As for the others, I do agree to hold people accountable, but I also believe any of them can redeem themselves. Lacey has been working on that redemption for a while and still has a ways to go. Mia has a long road with that and I still don't like her. Veronica I still don't know how I feel about her. Her actions during KW were so fucked up and don't match her before or after.

As for KW, I think what went on during KW and how the girls acted during KW was much worse than anything that happened during the Vegas trip.

 

[Pugthulhu]

Yea the lover status of Kelly is still False, but the fact the option is there imply like I said its inherent that she is a LI for the MC, so she isn't there to screw him over. As for what you asked about her trying to make the MC unstable, is that really what she is trying to do? Also their mentally unstable and MENTALLY UNSTABLE, look she likely doesn't expect the MC is a snap away from a complete mental breakdown, nearly that he has issues, the people saying its worst than anything Lacey did are ridiculous, that its worst than Abby, that is insane. Yea she might have fucked up but if you again paid attention you'd noticed at this point most characters around are just about mentally unstable at this point, whatever effect the MC has on them, it doesn't help mentally, it makes them reliant on him for their mental well being, just like Lacey originally did. So do I blame Kelly for starting to be affected because she was basically just about promised her shot at the MC but she hasn't really gotten it and it has started fraying her mental stability, like I said in another comment, have you seen Yue? She is outright in withdrawal from the MC, and the MC interacted less with her than Kelly, so yea Kelly is going somewhat crazy like every other LIs the MC has.

As I said in my reply above, I replayed the scene with FuckKelly and she is pushing him so he will snap and fuck her rather than plotting to screw him over.

That being said, I get the impression he has been sharing with her some of the stuff he has learned in therapy. She knows for a fact that he has a history of being suicidal. She is very close to Mia, who is very close to Anna and Lacey so she knows his history and how unstable he is. They have all been talking about how bad he is getting.

So knowing all of this info she is still pushing him in order to snap a suicidal person so she can hook up with him.

 

[Lady Lydia]

As I said in my reply above, I replayed the scene with FuckKelly and she is pushing him so he will snap and fuck her rather than plotting to screw him over.

That being said, I get the impression he has been sharing with her some of the stuff he has learned in therapy. She knows for a fact that he has a history of being suicidal. She is very close to Mia, who is very close to Anna and Lacey so she knows his history and how unstable he is. They have all been talking about how bad he is getting.

So knowing all of this info she is still pushing him in order to snap a suicidal person so she can hook up with him.

Yea and like I said, at this point its clear none of the people around the MC are sane, like I said whatever hold he has on all those around him, come at a cost, of making them mentally unstable themselves, you can clearly see in this Act that his girls are all variably starting to lose their mind, Kelly has acted foolishly but at this point I clearly question what degree of sanity she has remaining, I used the example of Yue to show that clearly girls around him are affected because Yue is behaving like she is in serious withdrawal, he is like a living drug affecting the mind of those around him and its causing damage to them.

So as I said I don't fully blame Kelly over what she did because at this point she has clearly passed the point of being somewhat crazy like every other girls around the MC are. Abby did far worst, it was clear he was mentally unwell and she forced him thru a day of psychological torture, all so he'd be pissed enough at Lacey to be able to say he was angry at her, its insanity. Lacey repeated cheating on him and the fact he can't trust her anymore because she at best held back important information to outright lied about several things is far worst.

 

[Lady Lydia]

Hey Pug, if you read the comments, the issue is that the drug is not consistent with itself in the narrative.

It says that it does things and yet those things are not happening if MC is involved ("lust" and loss of inhibition) or happening only if MC is involved (ignoring and humiliation).

It is written inconsistently, you could call it "ass plutonium" and make it completely fictional, but the real name should be "anti MC".

The explanations Lacey gives at the end also leave a lot of holes such as the "I am with friends" and then turning directly towards his husband and asking him stuff.

It was a clumsy attempt to add drama, the Prof is better than that and you know it.

And you know we already geve a lot of slack to the K topic, but this is way too much.

The Prof is better than that is what is perplexing me at this point, the previous game was good until the final twist made it fine at best, Augusta is great, in both cases the characterization and narrative were far better than this game, which is doesn't make sense, how can someone fuck things up that badly and keep digging that hole down like that?

Which is why I have been making my claim that their is a supernatural element at play, some supernatural force is manipulating the characters and even how things affect people, actively causing people to act in ways that unnatural in various ways, including causing significant deviation in how ketamine and ex affect people.

Because its either that or for some reason the Prof has been actively sabotaging its own game, which wouldn't make sense, to invest all that time making such a long game just to be consistently sabotaging it would be insane and if they were that insane they'd have likely messed over Augusta too, which they haven't.

 

[Pugthulhu]

So as I said I don't fully blame Kelly over what she did because at this point she has clearly passed the point of being somewhat crazy like every other girls around the MC are.

So let's compare Abby and Kelly. As you said, Abby tortured him for one day to make him snap with the intention of him realizing that Lacey is his problem and he can take that to a therapist to help him heal. Note that I do not think her intention out weighs what she did.
Kelly is consistently hitting him with small mental attacks with the intention of making him snap so she will sleep with him.
Kelly is being selfish by trying to harm the MC for her own gain. Based on the intention she says, Abby does not. I am not completely sure that party of Abby's goal was to get him to leave Lacey to make him available for her sister, but that is never said. Still not a selfish goal.
Both are insanity.

Lacey repeated cheating on him and the fact he can't trust her anymore because she at best held back important information to outright lied about several things is far worst.

I try to avoid conversations here about cheating. Mostly because it is a very subjective subject. What one person sees as cheating is very different from another.
Honestly, I am setting here trying to think of anything Lacey did in Act 3, that I would consider cheating and I can't off the top of my head. I don't and will not consider the stuff she did while she was roofied as cheating. I will agree to disagree for anyone that thinks otherwise.
So, if we narrow things down to sex (intercourse, BJs, and HJs included). Heck we can even add kissing into this. Since they were married, how many men has Lacey slept with outside her marriage? Of those how many of them happened while she was sober? Next how many of those happened without the MC knowing about them before they happened? Please don't think I am saying any of those were justified, I'm just saying lets list them.
Now ask those same questions about the MC. The questions are harder for the MC because alot of his are options.
I have not dug through the game to validate these numbers and I don't know what they are off the top of my head, but these numbers are close if the MC is not more.

If we talk about flirting, I'm not sure the MC is capable of talking with one of the girls without flirting with her.

I want to stress again, that I am not saying Lacey has not hurt or lied to the MC. However, I have seen growth from her in every act and she still has a long ways to go.

 

[Lady Lydia]

So let's compare Abby and Kelly. As you said, Abby tortured him for one day to make him snap with the intention of him realizing that Lacey is his problem and he can take that to a therapist to help him heal. Note that I do not think her intention out weighs what she did.
Kelly is consistently hitting him with small mental attacks with the intention of making him snap so she will sleep with him.
Kelly is being selfish by trying to harm the MC for her own gain. Based on the intention she says, Abby does not. I am not completely sure that party of Abby's goal was to get him to leave Lacey to make him available for her sister, but that is never said. Still not a selfish goal.
Both are insanity.

I try to avoid conversations here about cheating. Mostly because it is a very subjective subject. What one person sees as cheating is very different from another.
Honestly, I am setting here trying to think of anything Lacey did in Act 3, that I would consider cheating and I can't off the top of my head. I don't and will not consider the stuff she did while she was roofied as cheating. I will agree to disagree for anyone that thinks otherwise.
So, if we narrow things down to sex (intercourse, BJs, and HJs included). Heck we can even add kissing into this. Since they were married, how many men has Lacey slept with outside her marriage? Of those how many of them happened while she was sober? Next how many of those happened without the MC knowing about them before they happened? Please don't think I am saying any of those were justified, I'm just saying lets list them.
Now ask those same questions about the MC. The questions are harder for the MC because alot of his are options.
I have not dug through the game to validate these numbers and I don't know what they are off the top of my head, but these numbers are close if the MC is not more.

If we talk about flirting, I'm not sure the MC is capable of talking with one of the girls without flirting with her.

I want to stress again, that I am not saying Lacey has not hurt or lied to the MC. However, I have seen growth from her in every act and she still has a long ways to go.

The problem about the what constitute as cheating would depend on a mixture of intent and actions, first she wasn't sober when she cheated on the MC with Damian, however she clearly went to that bar with the intent of picking a guy up to cheat on him with to prove it 'didn't matter'. That is absolutely cheating, she took that decision very much while sober, days in advance. Everything with Jared could be construed as cheating, she didn't have sex with him but she let him get away with several intimate physical acts. When she kissed baldy at the club, before Damian saying how kissing was special to her, its clearly cheating, I could understand kissing even on the mouth family members, there are peculiar traditions like that, but a stranger? Nope that is cheating. In Act 3 we learn that after telling to the MC she'd go back to him, she fucked Isaac, which again as many argued would be considered cheating, because at this point she had consented to be in relationship with the MC, and she betrayed that. At the Dance club she literally asked her husband if she could dance with the guys, saw he was frustrated about it, and went on with it, the fact she was clearly lucid enough to ask him about it and question him clearly about it, mean she knew what she was doing, so she effectively cheated on him because their wasn't given consent for her to do it and yet she did it. She hadn't taken more Ex afterward, yet at the strip club, and the BDSM club she also did whatever she wanted even if it was clearly without her husband consent and at his visible frustration, so cheating again.

So what did the MC do so bad? After she cheated on him during his free pass week he initiated possibly a few things, and after the free pass week was over he kept in some cases it going, at this point can he really be blamed? His wife had cheated on him and the more time went on the more betrayals from her he discovered, so he kept being involved with 'his girls' if they wanted it. He was entitled to so much when you consider everything Lacey did to him, that I don't see a problem with everything he did, plus it was Lacey's stated intent to sorta settle him up with a harem to some degree, so he just kept that going, while he never agreed to her doing anything with any other men, which she did.

Next issue, their is so much left unsaid because we don't see in Lacey's mind all that much, Lacey clearly as some interesting notions of what matters or not, she said fucking another guy doesn't matter, so does it mean she doesn't consider it cheating? So if that is the case how much could she has potentially held back? Even if she does agree that vaginal or anal sex would be cheating, does it mean she think the same of handjobs or blowjobs? Did she think like Clinton that oral sex doesn't count as sex? If that is the case did she give a ton of blowjobs that she considered as not counting for sex to not being cheating? Their is so much left unknown and we can't trust a single thing she says, so its possible their is alot she did that she left unstated, from the moment she figured 'I shouldn't say something if its going to cause grief to my husband' God knows what she is holding back from him. Was Isaac really the last guy she fucked before the MC or did for whatever amount of time in between that call and their reunion she considered again it didn't matter and just kept having sex to deal with when she got horny?

One of the main issues here is likely if you are a fan of NTR, NTS, Swinging & Cheating, you might have a very limited definition of what cheating mean, because since you don't mind the notion of your partner fucking around you are quite free with the liberties you think are fine for your partner to have, if however you aren't into all those things, your definition is likely very wide & strict, so those divergent point of views could very much cause massive differences in what is considered cheating or not.