VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 3] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[Lady Lydia]

The point totals changed a bit since I last played. They used to go a lot lower, but on my speed run to get to Act 3 and play through, picking "no fun" and accepting every LI (except Jamie), I still ended with around 90 points at the end of Act 3.

So maybe something changed?

Mmmm.... interesting, looking back at the walkthrough 'No Fun' cost 5 GG, being harsh to Lacey at one point cost 10 GG, that was it actually... so their is something in Act 3 that likely both you and I did that cost that 5 GG point more, but for all we know it might not be an optional point loss, maybe just the MC being cold to Lacey at the end of the girl day might have been enough to auto lose 5 GG even if we can't control the MC's actions in that case, the thing is none of the sex stuff with others in the first two Acts costed GG points, so if they suddenly did in Act 3 it would be stupid. Someone had suggested not accepting the threesome but I carefully checked and that wasn't it.

MC loses/gains GG points in 3 specific moments:

When accepting the BJ from Anna (Even if from the text it seems Lacey sanctioned) -5
Rejecting Anna +5

Fondling Bethany - 5 or rejecting her +5

When Veronica asks if you are horny you can say I am and cum on her enourmous udders - 5 or say that you are good +5



To me is a bit confusing considering how much Lacey pushed for some things.
But it is what it is.

Indeed, and it might be used later if Mc needs a cash infusion for some reason.
I mean the two are already connected, like it or not, so lets make use of it.

Wait so you are saying doing stuff with other girls cost you points in Act 3, alright so the Dev decided to be inconsistant, how quaint. However I don't remember rejecting anyone and I ended at 95, so I guess you must be winning some GG points somewhere during Act 3 too. I should have started at 100, lost 5 from each of those situations mentioned, so 85, but I finished at 95, so you win 10 points somewhere.

Wait Jamie gave the MC a blowie... why didn't that cost 5 points too? So Jamie was fine but not Anna, Veronica or Bethany? Again bloody inconsistancies by the Dev.

 

[Fitharia]

Very good chapter 3. But damn that ending, did he illusion it and just ran off, or did she really say all that... I'm not sure how to feel, but this keep putting heavy stuff one after the other. One just finished and another just appears to make it even worse. I hope it gets better in chapter 4. Because this heavy stuff is getting to me. I'm a pretty sane person and I been through some crap too, but this is just next level. How long can people keep messing with two broken souls, it just insane.

 

[DeviantFun]

Mmmm.... interesting, looking back at the walkthrough 'No Fun' cost 5 GG, being harsh to Lacey at one point cost 10 GG, that was it actually... so their is something in Act 3 that likely both you and I did that cost that 5 GG point more, but for all we know it might not be an optional point loss, maybe just the MC being cold to Lacey at the end of the girl day might have been enough to auto lose 5 GG even if we can't control the MC's actions in that case, the thing is none of the sex stuff with others in the first two Acts costed GG points, so if they suddenly did in Act 3 it would be stupid. Someone had suggested not accepting the threesome but I carefully checked and that wasn't it.

My understanding of GG points (and it might have been completely wrong) was always related to hurting Lacey directly.

The game in this was always kind Lacey centric in this, as MC was barred to have moral standards of his own (no fun answer) without the game judging him as not a good guy.

Same thing when MC and Lacey are in the slut route, which is a way that Lacey found to help MC work through his feelings, he loses GG points if he makes do harsh roleplay (the second time, first time is free of point loss iirc).
So it becomes less about Mc and more about her, but I do understand that Lacey would be hurt by this, especially with the further reveal of act 3, not only because she dislikes hurting MC consciously (please lets not have a fight about it, it is written in the material, go complain somewhere else), but also because it hits on her weak spots.

Now it seems that the GG points are more related to MC full faithfulness even when sanctioned by Lacey (Beth is the only exception, with Veronica being a grey area since she was only sanctioned at a distance but we don't know if they had the talk yet).
So I am confused.

Mmmm.... interesting, looking back at the walkthrough 'No Fun' cost 5 GG, being harsh to Lacey at one point cost 10 GG, that was it actually... so their is something in Act 3 that likely both you and I did that cost that 5 GG point more, but for all we know it might not be an optional point loss, maybe just the MC being cold to Lacey at the end of the girl day might have been enough to auto lose 5 GG even if we can't control the MC's actions in that case, the thing is none of the sex stuff with others in the first two Acts costed GG points, so if they suddenly did in Act 3 it would be stupid. Someone had suggested not accepting the threesome but I carefully checked and that wasn't it.



Wait so you are saying doing stuff with other girls cost you points in Act 3, alright so the Dev decided to be inconsistant, how quaint. However I don't remember rejecting anyone and I ended at 95, so I guess you must be winning some GG points somewhere during Act 3 too. I should have started at 100, lost 5 from each of those situations mentioned, so 85, but I finished at 95, so you win 10 points somewhere.

Wait Jamie gave the MC a blowie... why didn't that cost 5 points too? So Jamie was fine but not Anna, Veronica or Bethany? Again bloody inconsistancies by the Dev.

This is why it is a bit confusing, Jamie and Anna have both been fully cleared by Lacey.

Jamie during the museum date and Anna at the beginning of act 3.

Beth has not been cleared by Lacey and MC said nothing would happen.
If we go by the new game logic this is not cheating tho, it was sexy but not sexual, MC was confused and acted like a 15 year old boy etc etc.

Veronica has been cleared only for phone sex from what we see, but she is also considered family and has information such as "Lacey doesn't want to know about the small things", which matches with both Lacey dialogue with MC in the kitchen about Christine and her dialogue about the love experiment, where Lacey states that she wants to know only major developments.

Major developments for Lacey are kisses for example or growing feelings (I should go and re read that part).

 

[Nimbus Commando]

Hope MC is finally free and finally grows a fucking backbone and gets away from that fucking parasite, Lacey the hole of act3 was just pure dog shit, though that ending the made it all worth it.

 

[Lady Lydia]

My understanding of GG points (and it might have been completely wrong) was always related to hurting Lacey directly.

The game in this was always kind Lacey centric in this, as MC was barred to have moral standards of his own (no fun answer) without the game judging him as not a good guy.

Same thing when MC and Lacey are in the slut route, which is a way that Lacey found to help MC work through his feelings, he loses GG points if he makes do harsh roleplay (the second time, first time is free of point loss iirc).
So it becomes less about Mc and more about her, but I do understand that Lacey would be hurt by this, especially with the further reveal of act 3, not only because she dislikes hurting MC consciously (please lets not have a fight about it, it is written in the material, go complain somewhere else), but also because it hits on her weak spots.

Now it seems that the GG points are more related to MC full faithfulness even when sanctioned by Lacey (Beth is the only exception, with Veronica being a grey area since she was only sanctioned at a distance but we don't know if they had the talk yet).
So I am confused.

The problem with saying it relate to Lacey is, I don't remember was she told the MC had played with Beth breasts? Or that the MC had done something with Veronica, with Anna she was aware sure, but the rest was she told? I wouldn't think Beth or Veronica would have told her anything, so she shouldn't know, so if its based on Lacey, does she possess what amount to a psychic power that let her know whenever the MC does something she doesn't approve shouldn't we have lost points for Jamie too? Or anything with Christine in the first two Acts? This all sounds so God damn arbitrary.

 

[NewGuy2022]

My take on the whole cheating discussion is that the girls in this story do things deliberately to bring pain to the MC. Yes, he needs to do better about standing up for himself (I've beaten that horse to death) but call it cheating or not, it's an unhealthy environment for him and he needs to remove himself from it to seek therapy and begin healing.

I believe it's critical that he be the one to take action vs. the girls leaving because he needs to take on the task of his own healing. He needs to "own" it. The therapy won't help much when he returns to the cesspool of his current life problems. And when I say "leave" I don't mean the way, or for the reason, that Act 3 ended.

The only way it could be accepted is if it is a writing oversight. If it isn't there are numerous issues to unpack when you consider what Lacey has said over the acts. The MC not responding would then even complicate that more as the time has passed for him to confront it and him accepting it... completely throws his character upside down.

It not being an issue would be severely disappointing if its occurrence is as intended.

Part of me wonders if the MC at that point in the story is just mentally tired and maybe wonders which fights are worth picking. I know I feel a bit fatigued after reading this story. Of course, maybe I'm just projecting.

The point totals changed a bit since I last played. They used to go a lot lower, but on my speed run to get to Act 3 and play through, picking "no fun" and accepting every LI (except Jamie), I still ended with around 90 points at the end of Act 3.

So maybe something changed?

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I lost 5 GG points when I chose the "No Fun" path, I believe. I get the impression that GG points are driven by how much the MC agrees to do what Lacey wants.

I deliberately do all I can to minimize the MC's GG points and love points with every girl in the game. I refuse to do anything with any of them when I'm offered a choice and I regret the forced events where I don't have choices (sex with Anna, for example). I don't see where the points matter in any way and I haven't seen where any plot points are driven by points.

I hate this game. I love this game.

Quote of the week. I'd call it a story more than a game but yes.

 

[funnythings3785]

Hope MC is finally free and finally grows a fucking backbone and gets away from that fucking parasite, Lacey the hole of act3 was just pure dog shit, though that ending the made it all worth it.

I was going to go into some negative comment about how this is going to all turn back on the MC and it will get worse, but... well... I think we can wait for the next Act as it will save me the trouble from an extremely negative summation.

 

[DeviantFun]

The problem with saying it relate to Lacey is, I don't remember was she told the MC had played with Beth breasts? Or that the MC had done something with Veronica, with Anna she was aware sure, but the rest was she told? I wouldn't think Beth or Veronica would have told her anything, so she shouldn't know, so if its based on Lacey, does she possess what amount to a psychic power that let her know whenever the MC does something she doesn't approve shouldn't we have lost points for Jamie too? Or anything with Christine in the first two Acts? This all sounds so God damn arbitrary.

No no MC explicitly says to Lacey that nothing is gonna happen with Beth, so I can definitely see the loss og GG points, but cheating is a bit of a fluid concept in L&J so who knows, maybe it applies only to males.

Veronica is cleared for sexting in act 1 even if MC wants to talk about it further.

L "Do you still do the sexting stuff with my boss?"
MC "No, we haven't done that since you got home."
MC "The free-pass is over, just like you said."
L "Oh, so that was just part of the free-pass deal?"
L "I thought... well I don't know what I thought."
L "I was worried you two were starting some kind of... online... thing together."
L "I wasn't sure how you saw that situation."
L "I thought you might not think it's cheating."
L "And to some degree I guess it isn't, but..."
MC "Well now I feel bad... because maybe I did think it was kind of a gray area."
MC "But all I have to do is think about how I'd feel if you sent naked pictures to another man."
MC "So, I'll just keep things friendly with Veronica."
L "..."
L "If... you guys just kept it to silly flirting and she sent you some pictures..."
L "I'd be okay with it."
MC "No."
MC "You asked about it, so clearly you're not okay with it."
L "I just needed that relationship defined."
L "My fear is one that isn't defined."
L "Where things could go to far."
L "As long as I know that it would never turn physical between you two."
L "And no lovey dovey stuff."
L "Just flirting and pics."

But from how Veronica talks (and the breeding talk, her being family, participation in the KW) I am unsure if Veronica has been FULLY cleared by now or not....it is not in the material.
The dialogue I posted is from act 1 before love experiment talks and so on.

 

[JEER0X]

so just loaded my saves for this Act

Anna= -GG
Jamie= No change
Veronica= -GG
Lorenzo= No change
Bethany= -GG

don't think i missed any choices for GG's

i've also changed my GG score to 0 and 200 didn't see any changes so i dunno what it does.

 

[NewGuy2022]

you know the sad thing here i just thought of, honestly if him Breaking is what saves Lacey he would be okay with it. it would truly be a sad ending.

And by Breaking i mean complete, memory loss/mind destruction

You're right. But she would still screw things up afterword and find a way to blame the MC... ...so would some of the other girls. And he would agree with them.

I find that take interesting. Frankly, I believe what she is angry about is kind of petty.

Same. With URM I have all my love and GG points in negative numbers and I haven't seen anything happen as a result of that.

Now it seems that the GG points are more related to MC full faithfulness even when sanctioned by Lacey.
So I am confused.

So am I. If the GG points are tied to MC fidelity w/ Lacey then selecting the No Fun Route should not cost you points; the MC is refusing sex with others. ????

 

[Pugthulhu]

so just loaded my saves for this Act

Anna= -GG
Jamie= No change
Veronica= -GG
Lorenzo= No change
Bethany= -GG

don't think i missed any choices for GG's

i've also changed my GG score to 0 and 200 didn't see any changes so i dunno what it does.

I could be wrong, but I was thinking I remember seeing somewhere that the GG points will have something to do with the endings.

 

[DeviantFun]

I could be wrong, but I was thinking I remember seeing somewhere that the GG points will have something to do with the endings.

Getting to 0 will kick in a bad ending.

"Author's note: Your 'Good Guy' score allows you to make a certain number of asshole decisions in the game."
"The score will drop based on how bad of a decision it is."
"It can also increase if you make good decisions."
"Have fun using your points for whatever you want."
"However, if you let it drop to zero, you will get a game over/bad ending."

Which makes the gg points very arbitrary to what the dev feels is an asshole move.

This is what I mean about being very Lacey-centric, MC is an extremely damaged person, yet he doesn't get any leeway in how he deals with his pain or betrayal.

Maybe he needs to relive his nightmares with Lacey playing the slut, maybe he needs to feel that he "got back" at Lacey constant betrayals by fondling Beth tits so he can even the playing field (which is not what he wants in the dialogues, but he is always very ambiguous with some things).

I mean even Lacey says so:

L "I want you to date other women, so you can feel more confident."
L "So, you can experience the things you missed out on."
L "And so you can hurt me."
L "So you can make me feel jealous."
L "Because I think you need that."
L "I think you need to put me in my place so that you can work through all this."

So, I am not really sure of the direction, as I said it feels extremely skewed.

 

[Thatlostone]

Getting to 0 will kick in a bad ending.

"Author's note: Your 'Good Guy' score allows you to make a certain number of asshole decisions in the game."
"The score will drop based on how bad of a decision it is."
"It can also increase if you make good decisions."
"Have fun using your points for whatever you want."
"However, if you let it drop to zero, you will get a game over/bad ending."

What's the bad ending?

 

[DeviantFun]

What's the bad ending?

It is not in the game yet.

Even by picking all the "wrong" choices you reach a score not even close to 0.

 

[NewGuy2022]

Getting to 0 will kick in a bad ending.

"Author's note: Your 'Good Guy' score allows you to make a certain number of asshole decisions in the game."
"The score will drop based on how bad of a decision it is."
"It can also increase if you make good decisions."
"Have fun using your points for whatever you want."
"However, if you let it drop to zero, you will get a game over/bad ending."

Which makes the gg points very arbitrary to what the dev feels is an asshole move.

This is what I mean about being very Lacey-centric, MC is an extremely damaged person, yet he doesn't get any leeway in how he deals with his pain or betrayal.

Maybe he needs to relive his nightmares with Lacey playing the slut, maybe he needs to feel that he "got back" at Lacey constant betrayals by fondling Beth tits so he can even the playing field (which is not what he wants in the dialogues, but he is always very ambiguous with some things).

I mean even Lacey says so:

L "I want you to date other women, so you can feel more confident."
L "So, you can experience the things you missed out on."
L "And so you can hurt me."
L "So you can make me feel jealous."
L "Because I think you need that."
L "I think you need to put me in my place so that you can work through all this."

So, I am not really sure of the direction, as I said it feels extremely skewed.

I have tried and failed to secure a bad ending. Either that or we're not allowed to have any endings yet.

As for Lacey's plan, I reject it solely because it is Lacey's plan. In spite of that, the dev still forces the MC to do things with girls and I wish we had choices to ignore them, instead.

In Act 3

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I'm hoping to see that and, frankly, would like to see that sort of ending for nearly all the characters in the story.

Jamie and Dianne are the only two I don't have anything against and I'm afraid the dev will spoil them for me, too. He's managed to make me loathe every other character in the story, including the MC. Whomever called this torture porn got it right, I believe, and whomever suggested this could end in a tragedy: I think that's a great idea, too.

 

[48914891]

Act 3 finished. Looking forward to Act 4.

Have saves with Anna and Lacey love maxed out at 200, GG down as low as 65, and LI min and max love levels

He's on the road. With a scrambled brain. Has a note from Vegas. Where the match was lit. A limited PoA in Kelly's hands.

Worth exploring further.

 

[Pugthulhu]

I have tried and failed to secure a bad ending. Either that or we're not allowed to have any endings yet.

As for Lacey's plan, I reject it solely because it is Lacey's plan. In spite of that, the dev still forces the MC to do things with girls and I wish we had choices to ignore them, instead.

The Professor made a post on Patreon when talking about forced romance with secondary LIs that said:

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[Lady Lydia]

The Professor made a post on Patreon when talking about forced romance with secondary LIs that said:

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Big moment alluded in Act 3... huh... anyone got an idea of what that would be about? The MC breeding Veronica? That is about the only thing with a secondary LI I can think that was mentioned, I don't remember anything else, but then again I did skip thru a fair amount of Act 3 in my aggravation, so it might be something I missed from that. Was a threesome Mia alluded in Act 3? Or maybe its about the dream the MC has which show Dianne thinking about wanting a threesome with the MC & Lacey? Urgh its probably going to take until February at least before we see the next Act, God damn I hate having to wait.

 

[NewGuy2022]

Thanks for that. I guess I missed the reference to it in Act 3. I wonder if Lacey will remain forced or the player will be allowed to reject her, too...

 

[Pugthulhu]

Big moment alluded in Act 3... huh... anyone got an idea of what that would be about? The MC breeding Veronica? That is about the only thing with a secondary LI I can think that was mentioned, I don't remember anything else, but then again I did skip thru a fair amount of Act 3 in my aggravation, so it might be something I missed from that. Was a threesome Mia alluded in Act 3? Or maybe its about the dream the MC has which show Dianne thinking about wanting a threesome with the MC & Lacey? Urgh its probably going to take until February at least before we see the next Act, God damn I hate having to wait.

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