VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 3] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[AL.d]

The reason I say some people should leave was explained, some people clearly seem to hate every characters in the game, so whats the point of sticking around? Whats the point of sticking around if they systematically complain every characters are horrible and they'd wish they suffer and die? Outside of some form of masochism I can't understand why someone would stick around if they hate everything about the game. Which is why I am saying they should leave, whats the point to spend their time complain and hatefully rant about just about every characters.

If someone hate both Lacey & the MC, fundamentally this story isn't for them, to stick around to curse their existence continually is madness. I find it insanely creepy to see people genuinely hate fictional characters and to just have nothing good to say but to but maniacally rant about them non-stop.

For some weird reason, you seem to conflate the perceived personality of a fictional character, with the character themselves. If that was the case, villains could never be considered good (as in well-crafted) characters by anyone. A nonsensical fallacy.

Also thread gatekeeping in order to prevent any criticism on the actions of fictional characters, who also happen to be bona fide abusers, seems to be much creepier imo. And you managed to go beyond that with the "relationship with her dad" comment. Ffs...

You liking how Lacey is written yet hating her as a character doesn't mean you have empathy, empathy is about feeling what the characters feel, appreciation for how well you consider a character to being written doesn't denote empathy. Also even if you both like and hate Lacey, yet you refuse to understand the situation the MC is what I am calling a lack of empathy.

Wow that comment went way over your head didn't it? I not once commented on my own empathy in it.

You refuse to understand that when this game is going to end the timeframe we can expect isn't one which would actually have allowed the MC to went thru the full process of therapy he'd need to leave this toxic relationship in a healthy manner for himself. He is going to be still a serious mess at the end of this game, we are 3 Acts in and nobody can say he has gotten any better, he keep getting worst, Hell he just had a full mental breakdown in the 3rd Act, you think this is going to be solved in a snap, it won't.

What you fail to understand, is that I didn't ask for your headcanon storyboard. You comment with certainty about where the creator of this story is going with it, but you aren't its creator. Not to smell my own farts, but if you went back a few months on this thread, you will see I have nailed quite a few things that later were confirmed in the game. And yet I'm the first to say, I have zero clue what dev intends to do with possible story branches and their eventual conclusions. Ignorance breeds boldness I guess.

What I am certain about though, is that the creator isn't interested in a story that starts with broken characters and ends with them still in that same broken state. That breaks basic rules of storytelling. If he will resolve their brokeness in a way that makes sense and is consistent with the material, remains to be seen. But will certainly attempt to do so, because that's how stories tend to work....

 

[funnythings3785]

MC is selling Lacey during the poker event as "the perfect slut and most depraved party favor you can think off - serving willingly as many men you want"... isnt this already a big step towards the "intended" corruption of our "poor" MC ? He is literally and intentionally risking to whore her out in that moment...surprisingly using all attributes he hated related to her college slut period and which are giving him nightmares...interesting...

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Not sure... but consider the over all issue with the MC. He fights with the concept of her being some disgusting gangbang whore, this is what he has been shown concerning the college days. This is who he has come to know in that exchange with Mia, this was her past, this is her to be honest at her deepest reveal.

Then consider he just dealt with a conversation with her PUSHING him to bet her, you know... because as she said, she doesn't consider anything about being passed around by a bunch of guys who want to treat her as such.

So, maybe he is angry, angry at that reality which he has been dealing with of her past, angry at the fact that their relationship means so little to her that she would wager herself to be some cum dump whore again without thought or concern to the MC, you know... because this is old hat for her... and so he like the JD goes all in, not accepting, not approving, but simply spitting her own disgusting words out openly for all to hear... "Lacey is a whore, a fucking whore who will become a cum dumpster for all who wish to deposit, this is my wife, the fucking disgusting whore who will do anything you desire, etc..."

That may be "one" reason, you could be right, but honestly who knows... the professor isn't exactly consistent in the characters, but I will say, him being "accepting" or becoming "corrupted" as you say does not fit the character at all at this point. He has shown no real signs of any note that he likes this side of her or approves of it.

If anything, the poker game shows how little Lacey has grown, how she contradicts with her proclaimed healing "between" the MC. Maybe she has come to terms with her acceptance of her path if you want to make that argument, but if you do, it is accepting she is a depraved whore with no bounds or respect for the MC.

If Lacey wanted to show extreme devotion to the MC, she would have said.... "No, do not gamble me, do not risk this... the money means nothing, we can always earn more... I would rather you respect me, love me for what I devote myself to, and that is to you, and you alone"

Now that would be a sacrifice knowing her character, because she could EASILY be the whore for a night like she said, but to refuse, to devote to her husband in the face of the set back it would have financially? That is devotion. Lacey showed none, she risked nothing, she offered nothing. A night of her being a gangbang whore would be a pleasure for her physically, regardless if she said "I don't want to be shared". It would be a respect to the MC, but by her pushing, it showed none... no sacrifice, no growth.

Remember, she knows this will destroy him, but for a little extra cash... she is willing to put him through that, because she says she will nurture him back... you know, because she has been doing such a good job so far of that.

 

[funnythings3785]

The reason I say some people should leave was explained, some people clearly seem to hate every characters in the game, so whats the point of sticking around? Whats the point of sticking around if they systematically complain every characters are horrible and they'd wish they suffer and die? Outside of some form of masochism I can't understand why someone would stick around if they hate everything about the game. Which is why I am saying they should leave, whats the point to spend their time complain and hatefully rant about just about every characters.

If someone hate both Lacey & the MC, fundamentally this story isn't for them, to stick around to curse their existence continually is madness. I find it insanely creepy to see people genuinely hate fictional characters and to just have nothing good to say but to but maniacally rant about them non-stop.

It doesn't matter why they stick around, they can... and they can display all the displeasure they like with the story.

It doesn't effect you in the slightest. Just ignore their comments and move on if you disagree so much.

This idea that every room should be an echo chamber of approval is... honestly, tiring.

You don't like their opinion, fine... who cares... it doesn't matter. Nobody's opinion can have an effect on you UNLESS you let it, which makes YOU ultimately responsible here. Ignore them, deal with it, or as you suggested... leave... This is one thing you have control over.

 

[AL.d]

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Not sure... but consider the over all issue with the MC. He fights with the concept of her being some disgusting gangbang whore, this is what he has been shown concerning the college days. This is who he has come to know in that exchange with Mia, this was her past, this is her to be honest at her deepest reveal.

Then consider he just dealt with a conversation with her PUSHING him to bet her, you know... because as she said, she doesn't consider anything about being passed around by a bunch of guys who want to treat her as such.

So, maybe he is angry, angry at that reality which he has been dealing with of her past, angry at the fact that their relationship means so little to him that she would wager herself to be some cum dump whore again without thought or concern to the MC, you know... because this is old hat for her... and so he like the JD goes all in, not accepting, not approving, but simply spitting her own disgusting words out openly for all to hear... "Lacey is a whore, a fucking whore who will become a cum dumpster for all who wish to deposit, this is my wife, the fucking disgusting whore who will do anything you desire, etc..."

That may be "one" reason, you could be right, but honestly who knows... the professor isn't exactly consistent in the characters, but I will say, him being "accepting" or becoming "corrupted" as you say does not fit the character at all at this point. He has shown no real signs of any note that he likes this side of her or approves of it.

If anything, the poker game shows how little Lacey has grown, how she contradicts with her proclaimed healing "between" the MC. Maybe she has come to terms with her acceptance of her path if you want to make that argument, but if you do, it is accepting she is a depraved whore with no bounds or respect for the MC.

If Lacey wanted to show extreme devotion to the MC, she would have said.... "No, do not gamble me, do not risk this... the money means nothing, we can always earn more... I would rather you respect me, love me for what I devote myself to, and that is to you, and you alone"

Now that would be a sacrifice knowing her character, because she could EASILY be the whore for a night like she said, but to refuse, to devote to her husband in the face of the set back it would have financially? That is devotion. Lacey showed none, she risked nothing, she offered nothing. A night of her being a gangbang whore would be a pleasure for her physically, regardless if she said "I don't want to be shared". It would be a respect to the MC, but by her pushing, it showed none... no sacrifice, no growth.

Remember, she knows this will destroy him, but for a little extra cash... she is willing to put him through that, because she says she will nurture him back... you know, because she has been doing such a good job so far of that.

I think that at this point it's just established that he can't really say no. No matter what. She tells him to bet her, he will. He is so mentally impaired that he is unable to consent (or not).

And you are 100% right that her attitude towards the poker game reaffirms she is still the same Lacey she always was.

 

[Pugthulhu]

Remember, she knows this will destroy him, but for a little extra cash...

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[funnythings3785]

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Reminds me of that one joke about the difference between "potentially" and "realistically".

Point is, regardless.. she is still offering herself as a whore and that says a lot about her current state in the relationship.

It does add to why the MC would be breaking down at the end. My hope is, all of the things that happened in Act 3 will be visited again from the MCs position, placing it in the proper context, hopefully putting them ALL in their place.

That is the hope, but you know... hope in one hand, crap in the other... what fills up first?

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By the way, if I had the choice of a million dollars, but all I had to to was make my wife a whore? Keep the million dollars. Some things are of more value than money and if money is of more value than your wife... I weep for you.

 

[DeviantFun]

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Not sure... but consider the over all issue with the MC. He fights with the concept of her being some disgusting gangbang whore, this is what he has been shown concerning the college days. This is who he has come to know in that exchange with Mia, this was her past, this is her to be honest at her deepest reveal.

Then consider he just dealt with a conversation with her PUSHING him to bet her, you know... because as she said, she doesn't consider anything about being passed around by a bunch of guys who want to treat her as such.

So, maybe he is angry, angry at that reality which he has been dealing with of her past, angry at the fact that their relationship means so little to her that she would wager herself to be some cum dump whore again without thought or concern to the MC, you know... because this is old hat for her... and so he like the JD goes all in, not accepting, not approving, but simply spitting her own disgusting words out openly for all to hear... "Lacey is a whore, a fucking whore who will become a cum dumpster for all who wish to deposit, this is my wife, the fucking disgusting whore who will do anything you desire, etc..."

That may be "one" reason, you could be right, but honestly who knows... the professor isn't exactly consistent in the characters, but I will say, him being "accepting" or becoming "corrupted" as you say does not fit the character at all at this point. He has shown no real signs of any note that he likes this side of her or approves of it.

If anything, the poker game shows how little Lacey has grown, how she contradicts with her proclaimed healing "between" the MC. Maybe she has come to terms with her acceptance of her path if you want to make that argument, but if you do, it is accepting she is a depraved whore with no bounds or respect for the MC.

If Lacey wanted to show extreme devotion to the MC, she would have said.... "No, do not gamble me, do not risk this... the money means nothing, we can always earn more... I would rather you respect me, love me for what I devote myself to, and that is to you, and you alone"

Now that would be a sacrifice knowing her character, because she could EASILY be the whore for a night like she said, but to refuse, to devote to her husband in the face of the set back it would have financially? That is devotion. Lacey showed none, she risked nothing, she offered nothing. A night of her being a gangbang whore would be a pleasure for her physically, regardless if she said "I don't want to be shared". It would be a respect to the MC, but by her pushing, it showed none... no sacrifice, no growth.

Remember, she knows this will destroy him, but for a little extra cash... she is willing to put him through that, because she says she will nurture him back... you know, because she has been doing such a good job so far of that.

Great point about the poker game.

The issue here is all in Vegas, that arc really dismantles some characters by showing that they are all talk (even without magical drugs) and I don't think the author realized it.

He needs to be more careful with his characters.

 

[funnythings3785]

I think that at this point it's just established that he can't really say no. No matter what. She tells him to bet her, he will. He is so mentally impaired that he is unable to consent (or not).

And you are 100% right that her attitude towards the poker game reaffirms she is still the same Lacey she always was.

Yeah, I am willing to flow with the why he doesn't say no, that is "reasonably" argued by his mental state and past issues, but I would prefer a lot more outbursts in the process. His "acceptance" of various things is disturbing, out of character, but then if it is reasoned eventually that it is because he is "giving up" and that is why he leads to a mental brake, I can roll with that... has to be reasoned at some point though.

 

[Lady Lydia]

It doesn't matter why they stick around, they can... and they can display all the displeasure they like with the story.

It doesn't effect you in the slightest. Just ignore their comments and move on if you disagree so much.

This idea that every room should be an echo chamber of approval is... honestly, tiring.

You don't like their opinion, fine... who cares... it doesn't matter. Nobody's opinion can have an effect on you UNLESS you let it, which makes YOU ultimately responsible here. Ignore them, deal with it, or as you suggested... leave... This is one thing you have control over.

I didn't say I want every threads to be an echo chamber, I don't want that at all, my problem is when they literally just keep hate ranting about everything. Did I call for people that had some issue with some specific characters to leave? No I didn't, but when you have people that hate everything and all they can do is hate rant about all the girls being terrible and the MC not being an Alpha Chad, its aggravating. If you hate all the fundamental aspects of a story its insane to stick around, so yea I invite them to leave if they can't do anything else than hate rant about everything. Its toxic of them to do so.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

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Not sure... but consider the over all issue with the MC. He fights with the concept of her being some disgusting gangbang whore, this is what he has been shown concerning the college days. This is who he has come to know in that exchange with Mia, this was her past, this is her to be honest at her deepest reveal.

Then consider he just dealt with a conversation with her PUSHING him to bet her, you know... because as she said, she doesn't consider anything about being passed around by a bunch of guys who want to treat her as such.

So, maybe he is angry, angry at that reality which he has been dealing with of her past, angry at the fact that their relationship means so little to her that she would wager herself to be some cum dump whore again without thought or concern to the MC, you know... because this is old hat for her... and so he like the JD goes all in, not accepting, not approving, but simply spitting her own disgusting words out openly for all to hear... "Lacey is a whore, a fucking whore who will become a cum dumpster for all who wish to deposit, this is my wife, the fucking disgusting whore who will do anything you desire, etc..."

That may be "one" reason, you could be right, but honestly who knows... the professor isn't exactly consistent in the characters, but I will say, him being "accepting" or becoming "corrupted" as you say does not fit the character at all at this point. He has shown no real signs of any note that he likes this side of her or approves of it.

If anything, the poker game shows how little Lacey has grown, how she contradicts with her proclaimed healing "between" the MC. Maybe she has come to terms with her acceptance of her path if you want to make that argument, but if you do, it is accepting she is a depraved whore with no bounds or respect for the MC.

If Lacey wanted to show extreme devotion to the MC, she would have said.... "No, do not gamble me, do not risk this... the money means nothing, we can always earn more... I would rather you respect me, love me for what I devote myself to, and that is to you, and you alone"

Now that would be a sacrifice knowing her character, because she could EASILY be the whore for a night like she said, but to refuse, to devote to her husband in the face of the set back it would have financially? That is devotion. Lacey showed none, she risked nothing, she offered nothing. A night of her being a gangbang whore would be a pleasure for her physically, regardless if she said "I don't want to be shared". It would be a respect to the MC, but by her pushing, it showed none... no sacrifice, no growth.

Remember, she knows this will destroy him, but for a little extra cash... she is willing to put him through that, because she says she will nurture him back... you know, because she has been doing such a good job so far of that.

Funnythings you make too many good points.

When are you finally joining the discord so you can make them there?

 

[funnythings3785]

I didn't say I want every threads to be an echo chamber, I don't want that at all, my problem is when they literally just keep hate ranting about everything. Did I call for people that had some issue with some specific characters to leave? No I didn't, but when you have people that hate everything and all they can do is hate rant about all the girls being terrible and the MC not being an Alpha Chad, its aggravating. If you hate all the fundamental aspects of a story its insane to stick around, so yea I invite them to leave if they can't do anything else than hate rant about everything. Its toxic of them to do so.

Ok, but they can invite you to "leave" as well right?

I don't know, but for me, it is easier to ignore and move on than attempt to argue or make an issue out of someone I am diametrically opposed to OR, if you want to engage in discourse, there is some merit to that as well (opposing views of such extreme nature can provide understanding of both views ultimately).

Complaining about it? Meh... sorry if this is insensitive, but it is useless whining.

 

[Fitharia]

MC is selling Lacey during the poker event as "the perfect slut and most depraved party favor you can think off - serving willingly as many men you want"... isnt this already a big step towards the "intended" corruption of our "poor" MC ? He is literally and intentionally risking to whore her out in that moment...surprisingly using all attributes he hated related to her college slut period and which are giving him nightmares...interesting...

Yea I was shocked too when he introduced her, and most shocking was it didn't make Lacey even relapse he said that. So there was somewhat a wrong or bad writing. But then again, he didn't lie, it just weird it didn't hurt Lacey at that moment.

The one thing I wonder most is, the ending, did the mc imagine it all and think she really said that all and just left, or was it real, it feels to me it wasn't real as Lacey outfit changed when she was crying and Mia was conforting her, feels like she was saying something else to the mc, but he saw a slut and heard her say we brake up, something that already been ages wandering in his head. It like the therapist said he was nearing a mental breakdown, and geuss it eventualy happened.

 

[funnythings3785]

Funnythings you make too many good points.

When are you finally joining the discord so you can make them there?

I hate discord with a passion on every level. Forum based discourse is so much more to my taste. Call me old school I guess.

 

[funnythings3785]

Yea I was shocked too when he introduced her, and most shocking was it didn't make Lacey even relapse he said that. So there was somewhat a wrong or bad writing. But then again, he didn't lie, it just weird it didn't hurt Lacey at that moment.

The one thing I wonder most is, the ending, did the mc imagine it all and think she really said that all and just left, or was it real, it feels to me it wasn't real as Lacey outfit changed when she was crying and Mia was conforting her, feels like she was saying something else to the mc, but he saw a slut and heard her say we brake up, something that already been ages wandering in his head.

This is my issue as well. If she is growing, his comment should have.. at least been a moment of discussion, even if it were "You said that because you were trying to sell it so I would get a higher value right?". We got nothing, which seemed to lend to the fact that Lacey accepted being exactly what he stated, which is extremely troubling when you consider the MC vs Lacey dynamic.

 

[Lady Lydia]

For some weird reason, you seem to conflate the perceived personality of a fictional character, with the character themselves. If that was the case, villains could never be considered good (as in well-crafted) characters by anyone. A nonsensical fallacy.

Also thread gatekeeping in order to prevent any criticism on the actions of fictional characters, who also happen to be bona fide abusers, seems to be much creepier imo. And you managed to go beyond that with the "relationship with her dad" comment. Ffs...

Wow that comment went way over your head didn't it? I not once commented on my own empathy in it.

What you fail to understand, is that I didn't ask for your headcanon storyboard. You comment with certainty about where the creator of this story is going with it, but you aren't its creator. Not to smell my own farts, but if you went back a few months on this thread, you will see I have nailed quite a few things that later were confirmed in the game. And yet I'm the first to say, I have zero clue what dev intends to do with possible story branches and their eventual conclusions. Ignorance breeds boldness I guess.

What I am certain about though, is that the creator isn't interested in a story that starts with broken characters and ends with them still in that same broken state. That breaks basic rules of storytelling. If he will resolve their brokeness in a way that makes sense and is consistent with the material, remains to be seen. But will certainly attempt to do so, because that's how stories tend to work....

Thread gatekeeping? I am not threat gatekeeping, like I said I am fine with criticism that goes against my belief, the problem is when people have nothing positive at all to say, when all they do is hate rant endlessly, look at Nimbus, has he said anything else than all the girls sucks and the MC suck? No that is pretty much his entire narrative, because the girls have issues he and some others declared all of them to be 'snakes & parasites', next they look at the MC and scream how pathetic he is because how dare he be someone suffering from significant mental issues, he should be an Alpha Chad. They keep bitching about the things over and over and over. Is it supposed to be constructive criticism? I understand the people that complain about Mia being a 'Pimp' I don't quite agree but I can understand, I understand those complain about Lacey, and I even understand those supporting her, I look at the MC and I find flaws with him, but expecting him to be anything but flawed is refusing to face what the character has went thru. So I can understand people having issues with various characters but when all they can do is repeat that all the characters are terrible, its just hollow complains that exist to hate rant.

As for how you expect the Dev to end the game, I never said they'd end the game at the same place they began, but I said you extremely overestimate how far they'll be on the road to recovery. Its called Love & Jealousy, because the end goal is very likely for them to still love one another but have overcome their jealousy, the rest? Doubtful, maybe Lacey will be less narcisstic, maybe the MC will be more willful, but do I expect their co-dependency gone? No, do I expect the pile of other damage all gone? No.

Their is a good reason I have been the proponent that the end goal is the corruption of the MC, because its effectively a compromise, rather than solve all those issues, if Lacey can make the MC more like herself it will allow their relationship to be sustainable to a better degree, is it ideal? No, but in absence of some pretty extreme personality change that would be well within the territory of them being new characters having taken the place of the old characters its the best that could be achieved.

I think therefore I am, Lacey is Lacey because of all her issues, if one day she become 100% cleared of all her mental issues, she won't be Lacey anymore. And it would be a far more radical shift than the one she did from before College to after College. Same thing with the MC, he is himself, if you remove every specs of trauma and mental issues he won't be the MC anymore but a fascimile. Heard the philosophical debate about the ship of Theseus? That is literally the mental equivalent of that. What outcome people like you expect is literally for the ship be rebuilt from scratch, effectively making the current MC ceasing to exist, that I refuse to believe is the outcome the Dev intend for him.

 

[radical686]

If anything, the poker game shows how little Lacey has grown, how she contradicts with her proclaimed healing "between" the MC. Maybe she has come to terms with her acceptance of her path if you want to make that argument, but if you do, it is accepting she is a depraved whore with no bounds or respect for the MC.

If Lacey wanted to show extreme devotion to the MC, she would have said.... "No, do not gamble me, do not risk this... the money means nothing, we can always earn more... I would rather you respect me, love me for what I devote myself to, and that is to you, and you alone"

Now that would be a sacrifice knowing her character, because she could EASILY be the whore for a night like she said, but to refuse, to devote to her husband in the face of the set back it would have financially? That is devotion. Lacey showed none, she risked nothing, she offered nothing. A night of her being a gangbang whore would be a pleasure for her physically, regardless if she said "I don't want to be shared". It would be a respect to the MC, but by her pushing, it showed none... no sacrifice, no growth.

Remember, she knows this will destroy him, but for a little extra cash... she is willing to put him through that, because she says she will nurture him back... you know, because she has been doing such a good job so far of that.
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I'm gonna disagree with this point.

You're blaming her for his decision. She wasn't at the table or in the game. His money, his choice.

The Dev completely turned the NTR trope on its head. In every NTR story I've ever read (till now) with a gambling scene, the MC doesn't [ask/get permission from] the wife/gf before putting her in this position, he then loses, she gets fucked, loves it, and he gets NTRd.

In this scene all she did was tell him she'd back his play, wouldn't blame him if he lost and would suffer the consequences, had total confidence in his ability to win . . . and he did.

Every other player at the table knew their wife/SO was in the pot if they made it to the final round. He didn't. Had that info been known at the beginning and she encouraged him to join the game anyway, I'd have agreeed with you. But that choice and information was never offered. He had very little time to decide and did not know before hand what the stakes were. And in the end, HE still could have backed out.

Obviously, players weren't given the choice, but the Dev didn't want to give the MC the choice; wanted to turn the trope on its head.

 

[NewGuy2022]

Why did you respond to my post on Alice in Wonderland on this game's thread? I don't play this game, and there are no GG points in Alice in Wonderland, so I don't know what you are talking about.

It seems to me that you have gotten confused with your Quotes.

Good chance of that late at night. Trying to consolidate responses so I have fewer posts. Sorry for the mixup.

 

[funnythings3785]

If anything, the poker game shows how little Lacey has grown, how she contradicts with her proclaimed healing "between" the MC. Maybe she has come to terms with her acceptance of her path if you want to make that argument, but if you do, it is accepting she is a depraved whore with no bounds or respect for the MC.

If Lacey wanted to show extreme devotion to the MC, she would have said.... "No, do not gamble me, do not risk this... the money means nothing, we can always earn more... I would rather you respect me, love me for what I devote myself to, and that is to you, and you alone"

Now that would be a sacrifice knowing her character, because she could EASILY be the whore for a night like she said, but to refuse, to devote to her husband in the face of the set back it would have financially? That is devotion. Lacey showed none, she risked nothing, she offered nothing. A night of her being a gangbang whore would be a pleasure for her physically, regardless if she said "I don't want to be shared". It would be a respect to the MC, but by her pushing, it showed none... no sacrifice, no growth.

Remember, she knows this will destroy him, but for a little extra cash... she is willing to put him through that, because she says she will nurture him back... you know, because she has been doing such a good job so far of that.

I'm gonna disagree with this point.

You're blaming her for his decision. She wasn't at the table or in the game. His money, his choice.

The Dev completely turned the NTR trope on its head. In every NTR story I've ever read (till now) with a gambling scene, the MC doesn't [ask/get permission from] the wife/gf before putting her in this position, he then loses, she gets fucked, loves it, and he gets NTRd.

In this scene all she did was tell him she'd back his play, wouldn't blame him if he lost and would suffer the consequences, had total confidence in his ability to win . . . and he did.

Every other player at the table knew their wife/SO was in the pot if they made it to the final round. He didn't. Had that info been known at the beginning and she encouraged him to join the game anyway, I'd have agreeed with you. But that choice and information was never offered. He had very little time to decide and did not know before hand what the stakes were. And in the end, HE still could have backed out.

Obviously, players weren't given the choice, but the Dev didn't want to give the MC the choice; wanted to turn the trope on its head.
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First off, the MC is against being shared, against Lacey being shared, and really doesn't want anything to do with that lifestyle, regardless of how much the professor pushes his character into those situations. This is established numerous times in the writing.

Stop thinking "literal" and think about the nuances of the characters mindsets. Look to the Jealousy Date. Did the MC want her to kiss him? I mean, he said so right, must be because he wanted it? Right?

Read the scene again, look at his dialogue, his anger, consider his past discussions with Lacey, did he want her to kiss him? Was it a "I want you to do this?" or was it a "GO AHEAD AND FUCKING KISS HIM YOU SLUT!" type of situation, anger, hatred, being upset and demoralized by her "sexual" arousal to doing something that he KNEW she really wanted to do, but he didn't want her to.

That is what you get from the poker situation. Do you honestly think he said that with care, loving, and understanding? Did you? Or was it a culmination of numerous feelings and past issues that caused him to state her as he knew her to be, as he saw her, as she was truly to him because of his struggles and her continued actions that reaffirmed this very fact?

Comparing this game to other NTR games as a base is way off base. Most NTR games are nothing more than cuckold/Netori FAP kink games... they share nothing in common with this.

 

[Lady Lydia]

If anything, the poker game shows how little Lacey has grown, how she contradicts with her proclaimed healing "between" the MC. Maybe she has come to terms with her acceptance of her path if you want to make that argument, but if you do, it is accepting she is a depraved whore with no bounds or respect for the MC.

If Lacey wanted to show extreme devotion to the MC, she would have said.... "No, do not gamble me, do not risk this... the money means nothing, we can always earn more... I would rather you respect me, love me for what I devote myself to, and that is to you, and you alone"

Now that would be a sacrifice knowing her character, because she could EASILY be the whore for a night like she said, but to refuse, to devote to her husband in the face of the set back it would have financially? That is devotion. Lacey showed none, she risked nothing, she offered nothing. A night of her being a gangbang whore would be a pleasure for her physically, regardless if she said "I don't want to be shared". It would be a respect to the MC, but by her pushing, it showed none... no sacrifice, no growth.

Remember, she knows this will destroy him, but for a little extra cash... she is willing to put him through that, because she says she will nurture him back... you know, because she has been doing such a good job so far of that.

You have an interesting point I noted if anything indications that their is intent for the MC to be a Netori Bull, Bella & Jared, I fully expect their will be an opportunity to fuck her, this time straight up in front of sissified Jared, Yue & Bradley, she clearly had chosen the MC and wanted to be in a relationship with him, and the MC alright told her to go for Bradley, and they'd 'figure it out' later, so basically he is saying to Yue, go for Bradley and if it doesn't work for you I'll give you what you need, so effectively cucking Bradley or perhaps their will be also an option to swing with them. People assume the Dev saying they didn't like NTR mean they intended to write a narrative of countering the NTR, but rather I expect the narrative is also to turn the NTR around, the MC to become the one doing the NTR rather than merely suffer it and even possibly take a turn toward NTS if players want it, I believe all three variants are meant to exist in this game.

 

[radical686]

I'm gonna disagree with this point.

You're blaming her for his decision. She wasn't at the table or in the game. His money, his choice.

The Dev completely turned the NTR trope on its head. In every NTR story I've ever read (till now) with a gambling scene, the MC doesn't [ask/get permission from] the wife/gf before putting her in this position, he then loses, she gets fucked, loves it, and he gets NTRd.

In this scene all she did was tell him she'd back his play, wouldn't blame him if he lost and would suffer the consequences, had total confidence in his ability to win . . . and he did.

Every other player at the table knew their wife/SO was in the pot if they made it to the final round. He didn't. Had that info been known at the beginning and she encouraged him to join the game anyway, I'd have agreeed with you. But that choice and information was never offered. He had very little time to decide and did not know before hand what the stakes were. And in the end, HE still could have backed out.

Obviously, players weren't given the choice, but the Dev didn't want to give the MC the choice; wanted to turn the trope on its head.

First off, the MC is against being shared, against Lacey being shared, and really doesn't want anything to do with that lifestyle, regardless of how much the professor pushes his character into those situations. This is established numerous times in the writing.

Stop thinking "literal" and think about the nuances of the characters mindsets. Look to the Jealousy Date. Did the MC want her to kiss him? I mean, he said so right, must be because he wanted it? Right?

Read the scene again, look at his dialogue, his anger, consider his past discussions with Lacey, did he want her to kiss him? Was it a "I want you to do this?" or was it a "GO AHEAD AND FUCKING KISS HIM YOU SLUT!" type of situation, anger, hatred, being upset and demoralized by her "sexual" arousal to doing something that he KNEW she really wanted to do, but he didn't want her to.

That is what you get from the poker situation. Do you honestly think he said that with care, loving, and understanding? Did you? Or was it a culmination of numerous feelings and past issues that caused him to state her as he knew her to be, as he saw her, as she was truly to him because of his struggles and her continued actions that reaffirmed this very fact?

Comparing this game to other NTR games as a base is way off base. Most NTR games are nothing more than cuckold/Netori FAP kink games... they share nothing in common with this.
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Of course he still has anger about past events. Irrelevant to who had the power in that scene. He had the power. It was still his money, his choice.

If you want to still stick to your guns that she's a horrible person for supporting him, that's your right.