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I'll be honest the way the game is, i was sure he would lose that last hand i was actually shocked in fact that he won even tho he thought he lost i thought "just another way Lacey can get her fix" and it would of been a big fix the way the guys where talking about sharing her with his company mates.

But i kinda wanna try to imagine what would of happened? she would go off with whoever get plowed and mc would be going crazy with Mia, Abby the clown and Veronica? i just reloaded the game and she says veronica but not Jeanette weird, to try and calm him down with drinks and "Sharing a bed with him"

i wonder why she didn't say Jeanette, mia and Abby the clown? she knows Jeanette wants him right?
 
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Not sure... but consider the over all issue with the MC. He fights with the concept of her being some disgusting gangbang whore, this is what he has been shown concerning the college days. This is who he has come to know in that exchange with Mia, this was her past, this is her to be honest at her deepest reveal.

Then consider he just dealt with a conversation with her PUSHING him to bet her, you know... because as she said, she doesn't consider anything about being passed around by a bunch of guys who want to treat her as such.

So, maybe he is angry, angry at that reality which he has been dealing with of her past, angry at the fact that their relationship means so little to her that she would wager herself to be some cum dump whore again without thought or concern to the MC, you know... because this is old hat for her... and so he like the JD goes all in, not accepting, not approving, but simply spitting her own disgusting words out openly for all to hear... "Lacey is a whore, a fucking whore who will become a cum dumpster for all who wish to deposit, this is my wife, the fucking disgusting whore who will do anything you desire, etc..."

That may be "one" reason, you could be right, but honestly who knows... the professor isn't exactly consistent in the characters, but I will say, him being "accepting" or becoming "corrupted" as you say does not fit the character at all at this point. He has shown no real signs of any note that he likes this side of her or approves of it.

If anything, the poker game shows how little Lacey has grown, how she contradicts with her proclaimed healing "between" the MC. Maybe she has come to terms with her acceptance of her path if you want to make that argument, but if you do, it is accepting she is a depraved whore with no bounds or respect for the MC.

If Lacey wanted to show extreme devotion to the MC, she would have said.... "No, do not gamble me, do not risk this... the money means nothing, we can always earn more... I would rather you respect me, love me for what I devote myself to, and that is to you, and you alone"

Now that would be a sacrifice knowing her character, because she could EASILY be the whore for a night like she said, but to refuse, to devote to her husband in the face of the set back it would have financially? That is devotion. Lacey showed none, she risked nothing, she offered nothing. A night of her being a gangbang whore would be a pleasure for her physically, regardless if she said "I don't want to be shared". It would be a respect to the MC, but by her pushing, it showed none... no sacrifice, no growth.

Remember, she knows this will destroy him, but for a little extra cash... she is willing to put him through that, because she says she will nurture him back... you know, because she has been doing such a good job so far of that.
About the subject of whatever the MC is getting corrupted or not, I'd point like I mentioned in my previous comment, the example of Yue, she had been hesitating between the MC & Bradley, but she had clearly chosen the MC, they go on a date, she is basically being all cute over him, having bought a dress to match his outfit and all. And he tell her go for Bradley, now if he had just said that it would mean he is merely trying to stir her away from himself, but at that point he add that they'll figure it out later, what do you think that mean?

It mean he is literally telling her to date Bradley, and if it doesn't do for her he'll take care of her needs, he is literally setting up a Netori relationship for himself, he outright chose the cuck his girl would take and told her he'd take care of her needs later basically, now it might alternatively end up in swinging, or you'll have the choice to reject her and leave her miserable, but the point the MC is clearly setting himself up for potential Netori, and you don't call that him having grown corrupted?

Yea he might not be happy about the notion of sharing Lacey, yea he might not want to have other girls, however he'll do it if its needed for their happiness, he resist, but his resistance has been crumbling over the Acts, while Lacey has been making him suffer he has grown to be more and more willing to participating in sexual activities with other women, that is literally corruption, Lacey has been eroding his resistance to her plan away corrupting him to be more willing to be involved with other girls, even if she isn't exactly happy about it she goes along with it, why? Because the notion people only do things they like is naive, compromise is most often than not the outcome.

As I said it before the notion that Lacey want to corrupt the MC isn't about anything bad for them, its about compromise, she want him to become more like her so that they'll better handle their shared mental issues and relationship issues, so is she happy about it? No, but she feel she has to do it if she want to keep her husband, whom she claim she couldn't live without and she couldn't leave even if she didn't love him. Its for the same reason the MC has over and over went for Lacey's plans, because he compromise its the only way to try to make their marriage keep working.

The story is about them overcoming their jealousy to retain their love, Lacey while being corrupted has still that much to deal with, and the MC has to become corrupted so at one point he can overcome the jealousy, corruption enable them to be able to achieve that goal, as it allow them to overlook the circumstances that would trigger their jealousy, because jealousy is entirely a normal feeling to have, the MC he is naturally completely entitled to his jealousy he has extremely good reasons for it, Lacey not at all considering what she has done, but in the name of love their relationship is problematic enough that the only way to make it work is to overcome their jealousy, if they can't they are doom to misery.

If anything this story story stand for isn't them breaking up at the end, their might be bad endings where it happen and they'll have to deal with the dire consequences of such outcome, but this story is very much meant to be one where they are meant to stay together at the end, and it can't happen so long as they suffer so much misery, so they need to eliminate the elements causing said misery, and in the short term jealousy is one thing they need to lose to be able to be at some degree of peace, is it ideal? No, is it necessary? Yes, would it be better for them to not be in a toxic relationship? Sure, but its not so simple when they are literally mentally intertwined together, they can't be separated right now, maybe one day in the distant post game future, but not right now.
 

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Yeah, I am willing to flow with the why he doesn't say no, that is "reasonably" argued by his mental state and past issues, but I would prefer a lot more outbursts in the process. His "acceptance" of various things is disturbing, out of character, but then if it is reasoned eventually that it is because he is "giving up" and that is why he leads to a mental brake, I can roll with that... has to be reasoned at some point though.
Definitely. Right now he has actually regressed from the start of the game, where he would actually react with anger and call out things. If it's dev's way of making him worse with each update until he finally wakes up, it makes sense.

But there is also the possibility he is being made this way just because it serves the direction of keeping them attached. Practically Lacey's "brainwashing" plan of act 1 succeeding. A disturbing direction for the game if that's the case, considering we are talking about continuous mental abuse in order to reprogram someone's relationship values.
 
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In what bizzaro universe, the prospect of him detaching himself from this den of snakes and the remora sucking his life force, is not a good ending?
My guess is that the developer is so enamored with Lacey that he makes everything about her. MC leaving would be bad for Lacey (she would lose her pet) so the dev would consider that to be a bad ending.

If I had to make a silly comment, why she blames her troubled brain and not her constant mistakes?
Because a mistake is tied to her choices and that would mean she's a bad, deliberately manipulative person responsible for the outcomes of her actions; the "brain damage" isn't her fault (*cough* ketamine *cough*) so poor Lacey is the victim again. In fact, it's probably all the MC's fault. /s

more of a "dive into the emotional conflict of the characters as it concerns NTR concepts".
I don't have any experience with hentai or NTR in the Japanese style, but if what I've read is correct then your statement suggests this story is true NTR; the focus of the story being the MC's emotional response to his LI's cheating instead of a fap simulator like we normally see. Maybe someone more familiar with hentai can elaborate or correct me, if needed.

MC asked the fucking only question: "How many boyfriends have you had in 4 years?"
And that fucking human-shaped bitch answered without blinking an eye: "Zero. I haven't had a single boyfriend."

I know this has already been discussed, but for some reason, that moment brought me such negative emotions that I didn't want to continue.

After a passionate speech about love until the grave and a story about what she's willing to do for him,
he lies on the first and only question.

I can only say one thing: a relationship that began and was built on lies cannot be fixed by any therapy; it's a dead end from the start.
Like you, I did a restart, too, in an attempt to understand the story better; the flow of the acts has me confused about what happened and when. I'm certain there will be those who say she didn't lie since her numerous sex partners weren't really boyfriends because she disassociated sex from love but... ...if she's reaching for technicalities like that at the beginning of the relationship, look out. If she didn't lie here she certainly obfuscated (deliberately, I'd guess unless we're excusing this due to "brain damage" or porn-logic).

I saw this and thought the same thing, too. Then, the first time the couple was intimate with each other on the honeymoon the dev hints that the MC found it odd that a Lacey who never had a boyfriend was so accomplished at deep-throating a sizeable penis. I can't remember if the MC articulates this later on or not.


MC is selling Lacey during the poker event as "the perfect slut and most depraved party favor you can think off - serving willingly as many men you want"... isnt this already a big step towards the "intended" corruption of our "poor" MC ?
I won't defend what he did at all (it's despicable) but it's unclear to me how this corrupted him. What do you mean? And, while what he said about her is true IMO, it was wrong for him to say it (and certainly wrong to pimp his wife).

He probably viewed it, saw it as way more than just cringy (him as extraneous and someone that she would eventually abandon), his dissasociated personality then told Abby he deleted it (giving the appearence of progress), then fabricated in his mind a Lacey that gave him a way out of his codependent relationship (temporarally, since it still doesn't solve the main problem with his codependency).
I'm confused by this. On my playthrough, the reader watched the MC pause over the attachment in the email then right-click and delete without opening it. Unless you're saying that what we saw in that part of the story didn't really happen then I don't understand what you said. And if that is the case, then I no longer have any idea what happened in any part of the story because I now have to question whether anything the reader saw truly happened. That merry-go-round doesn't stop.

I'm not saying you're wrong; I'm saying if that's how the dev is writing the story then how can the reader believe anything he wrote? The hallucinations at the end of Act 3 are pretty clearly shown to be hallucinations so I don't question that part. I do wonder what triggered them to occur at that moment, though; I missed the trigger unless this was just a cumulative thing that drove him to break(?)


I'll be honest the way the game is, i was sure he would lose that last hand i was actually shocked in fact that he won even tho he thought he lost i thought "just another way Lacey can get her fix" and it would of been a big fix the way the guys where talking about sharing her with his company mates
Yeah. In most western NTR games, that's how it would've happened. I've read the earlier posts; what I don't understand is why he offered her up like that. I have trouble seeing his character as I've come to understand it doing that. Please don't tell me "brain damage." That excuse has fallen flat for me.

If Lacey wanted to show extreme devotion to the MC, she would have said.... "No, do not gamble me, do not risk this... the money means nothing, we can always earn more... I would rather you respect me, love me for what I devote myself to, and that is to you, and you alone"
You're right but I can't see the Lacey we've come to know in this story saying that. I confess I have my "I hate Lacey" blinders on but I just can't see her character showing that sort of growth yet. I'd expect her to cheer about it, frankly; it's positive for her, I think, that she did not.

i wonder why she didn't say Jeanette, mia and Abby the clown? she knows Jeanette wants him right?
My guess is that Lacey only offers girls she thinks she can control to an extent; I don't think she's really offering the MC a gift for his sake. If she can manipulate them, she can withhold them from the MC later if she wants... and this way she can weaponize them (or sex with them, more accurately) in her relationship with the MC.

continuous mental abuse in order to reprogram someone's relationship values
That's kinda how I see a lot of the story. Events and actions that really don't make sense except the dev included them to cause the couple to remain together. Because: plot line.
 
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Of course he still has anger about past events. Irrelevant to who had the power in that scene. He had the power. It was still his money, his choice.

If you want to still stick to your guns that she's a horrible person for supporting him, that's your right.
So you are saying anger can not drive a person to push an action they did not initially intend or want?
 
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i think dev doesnt understand exactly how ketamine works :)
Nor Extasy either, those drugs in the game are basically magical drugs that do specifically what the Dev want them regardless of logic, because the Dev need a specific brand of drama, however they need the characters to be effectively blameless, so create Deus Ex Machina Drugs, give them real drug names that are vaguely used for the intended purpose and ignore the reality of what those drugs are actually meant to cause. Frankly they should have called those something like Ketarox & Extremsy, and just claim they are special fancy drugs that doesn't exist in our reality but are affiliated with the real drugs but don't do the same.
 
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Nor Extasy either, those drugs in the game are basically magical drugs that do specifically what the Dev want them regardless of logic, because the Dev need a specific brand of drama, however they need the characters to be effectively blameless, so create Deus Ex Machina Drugs, give them real drug names that are vaguely used for the intended purpose and ignore the reality of what those drugs are actually meant to cause. Frankly they should have called those something like Ketarox & Extremsy, and just claim they are special fancy drugs that doesn't exist in our reality but are affiliated with the real drugs but don't do the same.
yeah, just felt strange about Lacey "activities" under the influence of "ketamine", it looks like nonsense, especially mixed with alcohol
 

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i think maybe people are looking to hard into MC betting Lacey in the poker match. by this point he was already bullied the entire trip. he was also bullied into accepting everyone elses money earlier to continue gambling.

MC given up arguing against 4 women the entire vacation, every single damned time. then Lacey agrued him into doing something he doesnt want to to involving her, again, and not only is it apparent he is too tired to fight with the girls anymore but he is fed up with her which is shown when he promotes her.

he promoted all her "qualities", basically everything he hates about her the most. it wasnt praising her, it was a big middle finger to her treatment of him and how easily she agreed to whore herself in that moment.

but Lacey convinced herself she was doing it for him, so doesnt see the promoting for what it was, him cracking and being done with her, at least in that very moment.
 

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This is my very first post, and the reason behind it is the peculiar fascination the game exerts on me. I played through all three acts in one sitting, and a few thoughts about the final dialogue with Evil Lacey crossed my mind.

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I don't have any experience with hentai or NTR in the Japanese style, but if what I've read is correct then your statement suggests this story is true NTR; the focus of the story being the MC's emotional response to his LI's cheating instead of a fap simulator like we normally see. Maybe someone more familiar with hentai can elaborate or correct me, if needed.
Sorry for the quoting not containing the previous comments, but the way you are responding requires excessive edits to isolate your comments.

On this issue... I would say it is NTR as it should be attended to. Japanese style stories "tend" to have more that at the least attend to this style of narrative. Western NTR is absolute cuckold/humiliation slop, 99% of it is pure garbage kink only serving the "Netori" angle to the "Netorare" story, making the MC be as willing or idiotic to serve the FAP scenes of the cheating.

I am not saying Japanese ones are without the same, but they DO contain many stories that put much more attention and respect to the MCs story AND/OR put attention to "explaining" the situation through dialogue to establish the "steal".

L&J among "Western" NTR is a mythical unicorn, it is rare and without comparison. There may be some stories among Japanese lines that it finds parallels with, but ultimately it is its own story. It pays attention more specifically to the fallout, which is why I think it is interesting. It spends an enormous amount of time between the "train wrecks" discussing and dealing with the fallout, which is definitely something not normal among NTR and places it within its own genre I would say.

While I have HEAVY contention with the respect it gives the MC, it at the least gives "some" respect to him and not just conditionally to drive the story (debatable considering Act 3, but we will see how this progresses). Up until Act 3, the MC while faltering at times, did show back bone, did resist, did essentially "say" what many of us were thinking in various scenes and for that, I am intrigued and held to the story.

I have always said, that once the MC completely loses his voice and becomes just an NTR prop, I am out... it becomes the "standard" NTR trope and after ACT 3, I am... well leaning to that, but willing to ride it out to see where it goes after this.

This is important though. While the professor may see Lacey as the center of the story (and that would be a fair assessment), the MC has to have value, he has to have "some" sort of agency in what is happening that can be reasoned or this all falls on its face.

This is why I think the story has AMAZING potential and if the MC is treated correctly, even if he eventually becomes the tragedy, I can respect it... but he has to be reasoned within some sort of sane means. The story already established him as having some sense of respectable nature, to dump him and turn him into a traditional NTR prop would be an absolute INSULT to the reader, a disregard to the story, and IMO rank the writing inline with every other "phone NTR" story out there.

He doesn't have to champion the MC, he just needs to treat him with respect to what a normal MAN would be (as he has already established his basic make up) in a situation of this nature. If he cucks him, turns him into some story slave, a walking mat for a Lacey victory, it will essentially make this story a joke, worse than the average slop out there, but instead of the MC being the dupe who gets cucked on, it would be the reader, which IMO... is far worse.

I don't think the professor is of this intent, so... I hope that things will be shored up in the inconsistencies, or... at least remedied in later acts. As I have always said... I can live with a demoralized ending for the MC, but it should be reasoned and respectful to the progression, or this all becomes a joke and waste of time. We will see what comes, I still... while negative have hopes for some resolution here in this specific. Time will tell.

 

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i think maybe people are looking to hard into MC betting Lacey in the poker match. by this point he was already bullied the entire trip. he was also bullied into accepting everyone elses money earlier to continue gambling.

MC given up arguing against 4 women the entire vacation, every single damned time. then Lacey agrued him into doing something he doesnt want to to involving her, again, and not only is it apparent he is too tired to fight with the girls anymore but he is fed up with her which is shown when he promotes her.

he promoted all her "qualities", basically everything he hates about her the most. it wasnt praising her, it was a big middle finger to her treatment of him and how easily she agreed to whore herself in that moment.

but Lacey convinced herself she was doing it for him, so doesnt see the promoting for what it was, him cracking and being done with her, at least in that very moment.
I agree with this, and also the fact that ALL of there money was in the pot, yeah they could of made more, but they would of lost the house ( probably not if Isaac helped) he wouldn't be able to help mia like he promised, used all Jeanette's money and i think Abby gave some too so all 5 of them would of been broke.

Remember the MC has trouble saying NO to Lacey and the bosses there said Lacey was fully veted so they probably already know her past and possibly how the MC would react to them forcing Lacey to be Wagered

It wasn't just for Lacey he would of let down all the women there and he doesn't like to hurt them i mean look how fast he forgives Abby.

While yeah The money wasn't worth whoreing out Lacey and i am not sure, i believe that she wanted or kind of hoped he would lose even if it was subconsciously (Still think she's a Nympho)
The Tourney runners are tied to something Shady here since MC didn't get a Liaison to explain the rules it was a Trap that he just happened to get Lucky and win i hope more comes of this later



Hey DeviantFun, what do you think of Abby asking Lacey about a Case study? it's not touched on or explained further
 
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i think maybe people are looking to hard into MC betting Lacey in the poker match. by this point he was already bullied the entire trip. he was also bullied into accepting everyone elses money earlier to continue gambling.

MC given up arguing against 4 women the entire vacation, every single damned time. then Lacey agrued him into doing something he doesnt want to to involving her, again, and not only is it apparent he is too tired to fight with the girls anymore but he is fed up with her which is shown when he promotes her.

he promoted all her "qualities", basically everything he hates about her the most. it wasnt praising her, it was a big middle finger to her treatment of him and how easily she agreed to whore herself in that moment.

but Lacey convinced herself she was doing it for him, so doesnt see the promoting for what it was, him cracking and being done with her, at least in that very moment.
Sure, but the MC has his own view of the situation and the JD I think is a good indicator of his mindset in such occurrences. I don't directly question Lacey's intent, that she is deviously motivated to this (though this could be argued after Act 3 to a limited extent). but rather it shows her lack of concern for the MC concerning it, much like she didn't take into consideration his feelings (which were well established) during the JD.

Being that the JD was a bust and she even comments on such, this should have been in the back of her mind (in numerous situations since then that she harmed the MC in), yet she acted and said things that were... damaging if you think about it and were completely uncaring to him.

Her beating this drum about how she doesn't mind being gang banged by numerous guys isn't a beneficial discussion point with the MC. It doesn't gain her points of trust or value, it is quite the opposite and I think this played into his anger (like the JD) in how he responded. What he "knew" about her, combined with what she affirmed to him in her uncaring foretelling of the occurrence is I think important to the MC when you consider the previous MC comments and stances. This would upset him greatly, harm him to levels I don't think she may realize and isn't that the problem?

While her past acts haunt him, don't you think the fact that she keeps stating to him that it means nothing might also be a heavy weight on him? The acts themselves to him are horrific, yet he keeps hearing from Lacey, it isn't a big deal... and that tells him that she doesn't think what she did is all that bad (even though she states over and over she regrets how it hurt him).

She has been remorseful, but she hasn't been respective to the MC. She hasn't come to terms with how HORRIBLE her actions have been TO HIM. She may forgive herself for her actions, but she doesn't seem to realize that her actions are an atrocity to someone who has not experienced that and does not see such as any way shape or form acceptable. It would be like trying to explain hardcore porn to a Nun. The MC is aghast of it all, it is completely alien, yet... Lacey continues to treat it as nothing to him.

Imagine a mob boss trying to explain to his wife that he murders people in horrific ways all the time, but don't worry he would never do that to her, and while he feels sorry that she knows he did these things, he would murder many people more for her if he needed to and would sleep like a baby that night.

It just doesn't register for someone who doesn't know that lifestyle and the reality is, some people could never fully accept it anyway.

This is the dilemma of the MC. Lacey isn't treating what she has done with the honest respect of her offense to him. Forgiving herself is irrelevant, it is him she needs to atone with and this means she has to go beyond the norm to establish that commitment. She hasn't, she has continued to tell the MC she is as she has always been, he just needs to trust that she will still love him even though she is still that.

This isn't growth, it is a demand for acceptance. For the MC to accept her as she is. Lacey hasn't changed. She just came to peace with what she is and now she is trying to get the MC to accept that.

I think the MC breaking is maybe him realizing this... Maybe that is what the professor is getting at. Sorry... I am rambling and lost focus, but this is where I ended up at.
 
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This is my very first post, and the reason behind it is the peculiar fascination the game exerts on me. I played through all three acts in one sitting, and a few thoughts about the final dialogue with Evil Lacey crossed my mind.

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I also have considered that 'Dark' Lacey rather than evil, was The Monster, but the problem is we have no indication Lacey is all that good with computers and the fact that The Monster sent a message to the MC while Lacey was in the Jacuzzi warning him not to open the watch the video he was about to be sent made that theory questionable, setting up a message to be sent like a minute before the other precisely, its all too much considering that Lacey is was around the MC I think all day long and wouldn't have been able to check in on whatever plot their might be against him, while I do believe like yourself that Lacey has basically two personality, I think she isn't the one trying to help the MC, secondly in Act 3 The Monster outright state its a business thing, that they are working against the schemers due to competing interests, its not personal.
 
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So does Lacey understand that having sex with numerous people, gang bangs, etc... is bad? She may, I haven't looked into the dialogue to verify, but does she truly see her "actions" of being a sex bucket as an element of her wrong doing in a part of her "healing" growth? Was that covered in her "forgiving" herself? Or was it spent on accusing those who she chose to have sex with for not "caring" for her?

What did Lacey truly come to terms with in her college day actions (and the rest of her actions after that). Did she seriously atone to find peace with herself for her obvious bad actions of choosing to Whore herself to other men?

Or did she simply absolve herself of her actions through other means that did not accept responsibility?

I am honestly asking this of those who know the script really well. Do you actually see "self" improvement, only to Lacey in that? Does she truly come to terms with what she did as it concerns herself?

I honestly don't remember those specifics.
 

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This isn't growth, it is a demand for acceptance. For the MC to accept her as she is. Lacey hasn't changed. She just came to peace with what she is and now she is trying to get the MC to accept that.

I think the MC breaking is maybe him realizing this...
"Letting go?"

Or was it spent on accusing those who she chose to have sex with for not "caring" for her?
Not saying you're wrong, but she says repeatedly that sex is just meaningless sex... ...except when it's with the MC, of course. If it's meaningless, why should they care? Or is she lying to herself/us when she says that? (If so, and the sex is meaningful, then how could she not view what she did as betraying the MC?)
 

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So does Lacey understand that having sex with numerous people, gang bangs, etc... is bad? She may, I haven't looked into the dialogue to verify, but does she truly see her "actions" of being a sex bucket as an element of her wrong doing in a part of her "healing" growth? Was that covered in her "forgiving" herself? Or was it spent on accusing those who she chose to have sex with for not "caring" for her?

What did Lacey truly come to terms with in her college day actions (and the rest of her actions after that). Did she seriously atone to find peace with herself for her obvious bad actions of choosing to Whore herself to other men?

Or did she simply absolve herself of her actions through other means that did not accept responsibility?

I am honestly asking this of those who know the script really well. Do you actually see "self" improvement, only to Lacey in that? Does she truly come to terms with what she did as it concerns herself?

I honestly don't remember those specifics.
I think their is one scene I'd say that show some real insight inside her thought process, one which would be actually for sure something she didn't expect anyone to catch her, its the scene that could be summed by being the 'stop slapping yourself' gag, but with serious content along with it, I don't remember exactly what she said, but if you want any real insight on her that scene is it.
 
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