VN Ren'Py Love & Jealousy [Act 3] [Professor Amethyst Games]

[DeviantFun]

Ok, maybe its just paranoia.
I have two options.
1. That something is the Anna`s call that reminded her of what she truly wants. That`s it. No sudden revelations. I didn`t think thats the case until Isaac said that one call is all it took for Lacey to kick him out.
Here
IS "And she threw my ass out."
IS "One phone call."
IS "Sayin' that some boy she had a thing for needed her."
IS "So, I was thrown to the curb."

Implying that before the call everything was as usual. That`s why I want to hear full recount of that day from His POV.
Actually Mia confirms that Isaac got kicked out after the call.
Here:

M "Then some girl called. Our dear Anna of course."
M "Said she wanted to talk to Lacey."
M "I handed Lacey her phone."
M "She hadn't even looked at it for two or three weeks."
M "And the next thing I knew, Isaac was gone."
M "Kicked out."
M "And Lacey somehow got herself together."

2. Something did happen, and I have nothing concrete on what it might have been. But it is not what she said.

No I agree with you actually, the lie (or inaccuracy) from Lacey is that she was having withdrawal symptoms from K and alcohol.
To have such strong symptoms you need at LEAST one day if you're really addicted, considering the amount of alcohol she was consuming since freshman year I wouldn't put it past her to have stuff like delirium tremens.

But that wasn't the case since she is talking about "Later that day" AND "It took the pain of being with him, mixed with enough K and booze to almost kill me to get reset."

The reset happened on that same day, confirmed by both Lacey and the pimp:

L "The second reason for tears was because I had achieved what I thought was impossible."
L "I had disassociated intimacy from my abuse."
L "I could be intimate and not think of my father."
L "All I could think of in that last picture was I could finally come home to you."
L "Later that day Anna called me about your suicide attempt."

M_nvl "The princess couldn't bear it when the evil knight bid her farewell"
M_nvl "And she wept as he had his way with her one last time"

Sure the event could be Anna's call, but the text seems to indicate otherwise, at least to my interpretation.
I also find it rather disgusting that Lacey is quite happy to say that she was thinking of MC while she is being rammed in the ass.

"Oh yeah! I was thinking about coming back to you while my ass was getting a prolapse."

I don't know man, I really don't know how this can be painted as sweet and romantic or even remotely nice to hear.
I don't even have a point, but between the Act 2 slut route and this my disgust is over the top.
Mostly directed at the pimp btw, but not only her.

In the end I think we thought this through more than the author did, especially in terms of realistic withdrawal symptoms.

edit:

Just going through Act 1.
Mia said the photoshoot with Isaac lasted 3 days, which I assume includes the final picture of Lacey crying and the “reset” but the fling itself lasted for three weeks

Yep, correct, badgirl11, last picture, last day, I posted the relevant excerpts from the chats in tthis post.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

Yep, correct, badgirl11, last picture, last day, I posted the relevant excerpts from the chats in tthis post.

That would suggest, the “reset” happened three weeks prior to the phone call, no?
So what else was going on?

Nevermind, Mia confirms a few sentences later that the last picture was there last tim

 

[Diosvincenccio]

Should we make a list of plotholes, ocassions were the actions dont match the characters personalities or contradictory things that were barely talked over and pushed for a later talk? Just so the Dev dosent forgets about it. And neither do we. You know for when Act 3 releases and nothing is explained because the girls never get accountability in this game.

 

[Dragonlight]

L "The second reason for tears was because I had achieved what I thought was impossible."
L "I had disassociated intimacy from my abuse."
L "I could be intimate and not think of my father."
L "All I could think of in that last picture was I could finally come home to you."
L "Later that day Anna called me about your suicide attempt."

I think that`s a lie. If true why Isaac was still present if all she could think of is coming home to MC ? Isaac is aware of the phone call so that means he was present 100%. If true that means she disassociated from abuse and all her thought are of MC, but she decided to keep Isaac for a while longer ? If true then it is even more fucked up.

EDIT

In the end I think we thought this through more than the author did, especially in terms of realistic withdrawal symptoms.

It could actually be the writers error. Then all this discussion is irrelevant.

 

[DeviantFun]

Should we make a list of plotholes, ocassions were the actions dont match the characters personalities or contradictory things that were barely talked over and pushed for a later talk? Just so the Dev dosent forgets about it. And neither do we. You know for when Act 3 releases and nothing is explained because the girls never get accountability in this game.

CrysusPariah2 is working on a wonderful timeline file, way better than the simple post I made yesterday.
I am working on the branching part which if I can find the strength will probably be put in a nice format.

The timeline should be the most important part, I will surely take it upon myself to check it against the various dialogues.
If anyone wants to pick the "inconsistencies" and make a brief summary of it, I will surely help out.

I think that`s a lie. If true why Isaac was still present if all she could think of is coming home to MC ? Isaac is aware of the phone call so that means he was present 100%. If true that means she disassociated and all her thought are of MC, but she decided to keep Isaac for a while longer ? If true then it is even more fucked up.

Yup, that is what disgusts me the most and it seems to have been lost in translation with all the compassionate thoughts that Lacey attracts (somewhat rightfully, abused children are definitely worthy of all the compassion possible).
But yeah, again, like the second time she had sex, Lacey doesn't run to MC, doesn't end things with the others, doesn't even send a hopeful 'hello'.

Nothing, if Anna didn't call, as I mentioned, Lacey will probably be with Isaac, because at this point she convinced herself that she was coming back to MC, but it was never true in her actions.

 

[Maviarab]

It could actually be the writers error. Then all this discussion is irrelevant.

This is the question where we say, is he being very intentionally vague....or has his own importance failed him by trying to be clever.

I also have another question folks, touched upon before but never really answered. It may tie into Deviants questioning over just how much 'fun' Lacey had, fucking around aside.

How the hell did she even manage to finish college and get her degree? lol. MC missed a few months...Lacey in effect missed years being drugged and liquered up. We're supposed to believe she was ever sober enough to actually concentrate and pass? Or is this perhaps more flaws in the writing?

The timeline should be the most important part, I will surely take it upon myself to check it against the various dialogues.
If anyone wants to pick the "inconsistencies" and make a brief summary of it, I will surely help out.

Still going to do it myself, then we can find any inconsistencies and compare thoughts. Will take me till weekend though most likely, find the time to sit and read it all again and take notes.

 

[AL.d]

This is the question where we say, is he being very intentionally vague....or has his own importance failed him by trying to be clever.

I also have another question folks, touched upon before but never really answered. It may tie into Deviants questioning over just how much 'fun' Lacey had, fucking around aside.

How the hell did she even manage to finish college and get her degree? lol. MC missed a few months...Lacey in effect missed years being drugged and liquered up. We're supposed to believe she was ever sober enough to actually concentrate and pass? Or is this perhaps more flaws in the writing?

College probably had lots of male professors.

 

[Diosvincenccio]

How the hell did she even manage to finish college and get her degree? lol. MC missed a few months...Lacey in effect missed years being drugged and liquered up. We're supposed to believe she was ever sober enough to actually concentrate and pass? Or is this perhaps more flaws in the writing?

Fucked the proffessors, obviosly.

Sorry, had a bad day today, seems im snarkier than normal.

 

[Elduriel]

How the hell did she even manage to finish college and get her degree? lol. MC missed a few months...Lacey in effect missed years being drugged and liquered up. We're supposed to believe she was ever sober enough to actually concentrate and pass? Or is this perhaps more flaws in the writing?

she obviously fucked all the staff too, ez pz

 

[DeviantFun]

This is the question where we say, is he being very intentionally vague....or has his own importance failed him by trying to be clever.

I also have another question folks, touched upon before but never really answered. It may tie into Deviants questioning over just how much 'fun' Lacey had, fucking around aside.

How the hell did she even manage to finish college and get her degree? lol. MC missed a few months...Lacey in effect missed years being drugged and liquered up. We're supposed to believe she was ever sober enough to actually concentrate and pass? Or is this perhaps more flaws in the writing?

As far as I understand american college is a very different experiences from my country universities.

Attendance + reports will make most of your grade + some tests.
Here you have exams over exams with written and oral parts that will compose your grade.

Lacey mentions she thrown herself into studiying and never missed a single class.
Obviously she remembered the lectures I guess, which shits on the concept of her hazy memories and whatnot.

I understand the concept of functioning alcoholig or drug users, I've seen it closely, but not with the usage Lacey is doing.

To get that level of brain damage in less than 3 years, she must have taken A TON (around 3g) almost daily.
You can't function like that.

 

[rhune]

The more I read your analysis, the more I start to feel like this might actually be a parody of a porn plot. Everything is so extreme — emotionally, sexually, even structurally — that it’s hard not to wonder if the author is deliberately going over the top just to provoke a reaction.


There’s this constant push to intensify things — pain, betrayal, degradation — to such a degree that it stops feeling like character-driven storytelling and starts feeling more like provocation for its own sake. It’s not subtle. It’s not layered. It just keeps escalating until you can’t tell whether you're supposed to be moved or just numbed.


Honestly, I’m starting to doubt whether the goal was ever narrative sincerity at all.

 

[CrysusPariah2]

The more I read your analysis, the more I start to feel like this might actually be a parody of a porn plot. Everything is so extreme — emotionally, sexually, even structurally — that it’s hard not to wonder if the author is deliberately going over the top just to provoke a reaction.


There’s this constant push to intensify things — pain, betrayal, degradation — to such a degree that it stops feeling like character-driven storytelling and starts feeling more like provocation for its own sake. It’s not subtle. It’s not layered. It just keeps escalating until you can’t tell whether you're supposed to be moved or just numbed.


Honestly, I’m starting to doubt whether the goal was ever narrative sincerity at all.

Well once I'm done with the timeline, I can send it to the Prof to use for reference in writing the rest of the game, though I think they keep pretty well track of it already

 

[Darth Sidious]

It could be Laceys dad, I don't remember if he's dead or anything. He was a piece of shit so..he could be involved.

That is actually a great theory. I almost forgot about the pedophile dad. Lacey's daddy could potentially give her the worst trigger back to daddy's little slut mode than anyone. But on the bright side, the daddy would be the easiest for MC to deal with. Considering he is resourceful enough to get the abuse on tape and has a testimony and then proof of his abuse which will probably lock the dad up for life. So that makes a Bad Ending and a Good Ending possible, ideal antagonist.

 

[Elduriel]

The more I read your analysis, the more I start to feel like this might actually be a parody of a porn plot. Everything is so extreme — emotionally, sexually, even structurally — that it’s hard not to wonder if the author is deliberately going over the top just to provoke a reaction.


There’s this constant push to intensify things — pain, betrayal, degradation — to such a degree that it stops feeling like character-driven storytelling and starts feeling more like provocation for its own sake. It’s not subtle. It’s not layered. It just keeps escalating until you can’t tell whether you're supposed to be moved or just numbed.


Honestly, I’m starting to doubt whether the goal was ever narrative sincerity at all.

I think it's literally the point of the game. The dev directly says the game is not for anyone. Not your typical ntr crowd, not your average avn enjoyer. It's over the top in every sense. But I'm not that surprised by it, the prof doesn't make traditional games, they all have this weird psychological shit to them. It's kinda interesting to play, but there won't be any sort of good payoff to it at the end.

 

[Darth Sidious]

I considered this also , but what I'm hung up on is the fimaliar voice element - is that voice familiar to us as the player ( meaning we have met the character) or is it fimaliar to the characters in the game only at the moment ( meaning we haven't met them)

So I haven't a clue who the monster is or who the voice is .... But I'm fairly certain the monster is someone close to the MC or potentially within his inner circle

The voice I think could either be a character we haven't met yet or it's a character we have met but they are using will as a proxy as they know they will never get close to the grow because of there past actions

Actually MC would know Lacey's dad's voice. The father already has a motive, perhaps and pardon my French; He's been using Lacey to make porn since she was a kid and therefore would see the benefit of working with a sleazebag like Will to make this happen again.

 

[Dragonlight]

This is the question where we say, is he being very intentionally vague....or has his own importance failed him by trying to be clever.

I also have another question folks, touched upon before but never really answered. It may tie into Deviants questioning over just how much 'fun' Lacey had, fucking around aside.

How the hell did she even manage to finish college and get her degree? lol. MC missed a few months...Lacey in effect missed years being drugged and liquered up. We're supposed to believe she was ever sober enough to actually concentrate and pass? Or is this perhaps more flaws in the writing?

I have no idea how art degree works, especially in another country. I guess being really good at art stuff helps. And its been said that Lacey is really good. Besides, was she drugged for years ? Mia started corrupting her in 3rd year. Later is very vague, she cleaned up her act somewhat before her last hurrah. I got the impression that majority of debauchery was on weekends. Anyway if author said she graduated then she graduated idc

 

[DeviantFun]

The more I read your analysis, the more I start to feel like this might actually be a parody of a porn plot. Everything is so extreme — emotionally, sexually, even structurally — that it’s hard not to wonder if the author is deliberately going over the top just to provoke a reaction.


There’s this constant push to intensify things — pain, betrayal, degradation — to such a degree that it stops feeling like character-driven storytelling and starts feeling more like provocation for its own sake. It’s not subtle. It’s not layered. It just keeps escalating until you can’t tell whether you're supposed to be moved or just numbed.


Honestly, I’m starting to doubt whether the goal was ever narrative sincerity at all.

This was my concern for act 1.

Finally a decent plot in a game, with an immense potential, literally immense.
I often said he almost struck gold.

And yet the game was laced with shock value events one after the other, some of them being almost ridicolous.
For example the movie watching party, you have a man not in his right mind, PTSD flaring up, not speaking coherently, what do you do?

Make some room on the couch! let us watch your wife getting fucked while high on k and hear you get humiliated endlessly.

4 friends and none of them thought to protect him, to put him to bed with some valium and maybe watch the video themselves for reference and to have the info.

The only thing that could have made it worse would have been taping it over a videocassette of "MC happy memories with his family" or something and send it to his father in germany to watch.

Ok, porn game, we can give some leeway to some porn logic.
BUT it is a shame, there were already plenty of points to explore that would have given the same heavy payoff without the need of shock value.

I already talked about many of them, so I'll just drop a generic one: why not explore the pain of abandonement, the pain of sending desperate messages and receiving no reply because you are having wild parties.
The contrast between MC being always ready and Lacey who couldn't give a flying fuck?

But no, we get empty answers and a nod.
And if we are lucky a tale about remoras, which was so obvious and on the nose but our MC needs 1 act and a half to understand.
And I am not bashing the tale itself, it is fine, Lacey is "artistic" it is the timing, the placing and the obvious cop out from the confrontation.

Give me that compared to 100000 Damian.

 

[Sayora]

How the hell did she even manage to finish college and get her degree? lol. MC missed a few months...Lacey in effect missed years being drugged and liquered up. We're supposed to believe she was ever sober enough to actually concentrate and pass? Or is this perhaps more flaws in the writing?

I also wondered this question.
and here two very interesting topic for thought

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Which category does Lacey fall into?

and the second question follows from the first,

Where did she get the money for the medicine, although I probably don’t want to know

 

[rhune]

I think it's literally the point of the game. The dev directly says the game is not for anyone. Not your typical ntr crowd, not your average avn enjoyer. It's over the top in every sense. But I'm not that surprised by it, the prof doesn't make traditional games, they all have this weird psychological shit to them. It's kinda interesting to play, but there won't be any sort of good payoff to it at the end.

I see your point — and I agree that the dev deliberately designed this to be off-putting to both the usual NTR crowd and casual AVN players. But if the game isn’t for anyone, then who is it for? Because from where I’m standing, it still checks almost every box of traditional NTR, just cranked up to an extreme.


The betrayals are real, the humiliation is explicit, and the MC’s powerlessness is central to the narrative structure. Even the emotional masochism is there, wrapped in pseudo-literary framing. So sure, it might not cater to fetishistic NTR, but it still deeply flirts with all the genre's emotional patterns — often even more aggressively.


To me, that’s not subversion — that’s escalation. Instead of questioning the genre, it indulges it, just in a more theatrical way. It’s like saying, “This isn’t porn,” while using every porn setup imaginable — just with monologues and trauma added.


So yeah, maybe it’s not for the average NTR fan. But it’s still NTR — and more than that, it’s NTR that pretends not to be, which might be the most frustrating part. If the goal was to provoke, mission accomplished. But if it was to reframe or elevate the genre? I’m honestly not convinced.


At this point, it feels less like a psychological exploration and more like provocation for provocation’s sake — and I’m not sure that’s as clever as it thinks it is anymore

 

[Elduriel]

I see your point — and I agree that the dev deliberately designed this to be off-putting to both the usual NTR crowd and casual AVN players. But if the game isn’t for anyone, then who is it for? Because from where I’m standing, it still checks almost every box of traditional NTR, just cranked up to an extreme.


The betrayals are real, the humiliation is explicit, and the MC’s powerlessness is central to the narrative structure. Even the emotional masochism is there, wrapped in pseudo-literary framing. So sure, it might not cater to fetishistic NTR, but it still deeply flirts with all the genre's emotional patterns — often even more aggressively.


To me, that’s not subversion — that’s escalation. Instead of questioning the genre, it indulges it, just in a more theatrical way. It’s like saying, “This isn’t porn,” while using every porn setup imaginable — just with monologues and trauma added.


So yeah, maybe it’s not for the average NTR fan. But it’s still NTR — and more than that, it’s NTR that pretends not to be, which might be the most frustrating part. If the goal was to provoke, mission accomplished. But if it was to reframe or elevate the genre? I’m honestly not convinced.


At this point, it feels less like a psychological exploration and more like provocation for provocation’s sake — and I’m not sure that’s as clever as it thinks it is anymore

I honestly don't analyse the game too much... it's kinda unique in a way, you rarely see someone approach stuff like this. At this point it's clear he isn't planning to get rich off of these. And that's fine. But I still "like" it. Not in the traditional sense. But it's kinda refreshing to play something like that after the nth typical ntr/corruption game. Is it weird, sure, but kinda awesome at the same time. I don't think the dev wants to accomplish anything per se, he is a small fish in AVNs, I think he just has a really fucked way of thinking and he lets it out by making the stories he tells. All good by me. They are far from perfect, but they are entertaining.