Ren'Py Love & Sex Second Base [v25.11.0a] [Andrealphus]

[Andrealphus]

I'm disappointed in you..
Goodbye..

So sorry...

 

[hyfka]

I think the fact that the "perfect solution" isn't obvious but you have to try a bit (somebody has to to fill the wiki) is not "bad design" but what makes a game a game.

I have no idea what you're talking about when you mention woke passive aggressiveness on the non NTR path though. I avoid NTR and cannot remember any instance where I got talked back to, except for a short sentence or two by Alexis whom I just berated.

I disagree that non-obvious game overs make it a game. Those cases aren't really choices or challenges if the player isn't made aware of them or has no way of influencing the outcome.
Contrast Aletta and Hanna with the Investigation and Shiori for example.

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Choices are only fun and meaningful when they are true choices, preferably with the consequences being obvious or at least reasonably deductable. That's also why I don't mind Kylie (except for the missing graphic violence tag), with her everything is pretty clearly visible and you get a bunch of warnings what triggers her and how to avoid it.

Spoiler: Tangent: DnD analogy

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A game should be fun. If I wanted to punish myself I'd play Dark Souls and not a porn VN.


As for the second part, apart from Alexis Sasha and Cassidy also talk back to you if you refuse the NTR/threesome. To a lesser extend, you lose LP if you don't support polygamy with Anna and Aletta in their random conversations.

 

[hyfka]

Maybe I come off as overly harsh, but that's because I like everything else about the game.
I like the art, I like (most of) the voice acting, the storylines are generally fun and interesting.
I don't agree with "game overs" without warning or clear paths to avoid them and I don't like being berated for my lack of love for NTR by characters in a porn game.

Edit: in a "NTR avoidable" game that is, if the tag didn't say avoidable it would be less of an issue

 

[Andrealphus]

No one is being berated for not liking NTR at any point in the game i am sorry but if you take it like this it's on you not the writing.

 

[hyfka]

No one is being berated for not liking NTR at any point in the game i am sorry but if you take it like this it's on you not the writing.

Yeah maybe. I also don't have to like your decisions or keep playing. I'm not paying you so you have no reason to listen to whatever I have to say.
I feel however entitled to voice my criticisms and provide feedback from my subjective experience.
When I say "this and that part feels shitty" that's me talking about how I felt during that section. Feelings can not be objectively true or false.

 

[Andrealphus]

Yeah maybe. I also don't have to like your decisions or keep playing. I'm not paying you so you have no reason to listen to whatever I have to say.
I feel however entitled to voice my criticisms and provide feedback from my subjective experience.
When I say "this and that part feels shitty" that's me talking about how I felt during that section. Feelings can not be objectively true or false.

As a matter of fact the consistency errors in dialogues is something we are aware of and actively working on fixing.

 

[Cartageno]

I disagree that non-obvious game overs make it a game. Those cases aren't really choices or challenges if the player isn't made aware of them or has no way of influencing the outcome.

It will depend on what you call "non obvious" here on whether we can agree. Should the golden path be communicated clearly to the player beforehand so he'll find it on his first playthrough or can it be one of several actions which all make sense in context of the game, its mechanics, and its story? If it's the former, we cannot agree, if it's the latter we can. Because choices are also not choices if the correct one is obvious. I also still think that grinding Aletta up when you want to be with her is a natural decision, even if somewhat time gated, we're talking 10 LP with a character you normally see every (game) day. It may be a bit abrupt, it needn't be this way, but I wouldn't call it bad design and not comparable to your "Ring of Plot Immunity Towards Sudden Dragon Appearances". I see it more akin to what happens in Mass Effect 2 before the suicide mission: you need to hurry, you don't know how much, and it may lead to a partially bad outcome if you don't. Happens, reload save and do it better.

It should of course be in line with the general setting. Another game on here (no shaming) will basically lock you out of a good ending if you order wrongly at a restaurant. And no, it's not "this is the girl's favorite dish" or some aphrodisiacum, just random and not suited to anything I can discern. That's obviously BS. But trying to get on the good side of a girl you want to be on the good side of - that works for me.

I think it boils down to this

A game should be fun. If I wanted to punish myself I'd play Dark Souls and not a porn VN.

Don't get me wrong, I like me some easy VN meal just like the next guy. On this forum at least. But if a game offers some gameplay, and yes, that can include grinding and failing at missions, I am not averse. Even if it is a porn/adult game, I prefer to be able to influence (and that includes influence badly, choices need to be meaningful) what happens to a kinetic novel. And that as somebody who absolutely dislikes Dark Souls because I consider it too punishing.

As for the second part, apart from Alexis Sasha and Cassidy also talk back to you if you refuse the NTR/threesome. To a lesser extend, you lose LP if you don't support polygamy with Anna and Aletta in their random conversations.

Well, the girls have one idea of what should happen, you have another, in the end you'll win out. To me the dialogue isn't overly passive aggressive but more that they don't just say "yes master, you are right master" but happen to have their own views and voice them. Even if in the end we all (well, most of us) will have 100 KP and collars on most girls, they should be allowed some leeway during the process.

 

[hyfka]

golden path

Yeah but there's a difference between optimal outcome and removing a character the player has already put work into.
For example, getting to keep Cassidy and everything thereafter I consider optional "golden path", as well as harems.

it needn't be this way

Right, as imo it doesn't make sense story wise. 1 LP being the difference between Mike snitching out of the blue or not? Feels out of character. Instead this would have been an opportunity where instead of automatically failing, it could have automatically passed at certain stats or otherwise there is a dialogue (like with Cherie) where you need to find the right path(s) or another quest like the Investigation. Or give a hint "We really need to get our versions of the events aligned if we want to get away with this" and then give a countdown like with Ryan cheating.

failing at missions

Yeah well you can't fail at a mission if you don't know that you have a mission in the first place. It's not failure to grind if the player wasn't made aware they had to grind something by a certain point.


As for the last part, as I previously said I can only speak of how I percieved things while playing. Just compare how many times you have to say "yes" to Minami for that kind of content vs. sharing option. Each time you say "nah, not into that" either the characters tell you how much of a "last century primate" you are or the game itself does. It's never "alright cool" but always "wow you're so primitive. Are you really sure you don't want the NTR? Are you REEEEALLY sure?"

 

[Deleted member 4284693]

How could I check what 'bad skill' I chose at the beginning of the game? Unless I'm blind, I don't see it in the phone.

In my current no-cheating game, instead of paid $50 for the rent, I lost $150, but I sure I didn't choose the 'debt' demerit (I select Winter as starting season, so I take 'animals hate me'), and, besides I'm going to do the Bree's maid path, she didn't call Mike yet.

I quote myself, and I answer myself.
I wasn't aware that by accident I hired the cleaning service. Maybe was my finger that slipped when I was checking Mike's phone, but there is a chance that actually was a lag issue.

I start to getting 'tired' of the lag, but not just the lag when you change location but the delay when you select an action, or an interaction with someone or something.
For example if I open the inventory in Mike's bedroom, and either select or not a cloth and touch 'cancel' there are few seconds that I don't know if I touch the button or the game is processing the action, and sometimes, if I touch the button again, not only the inventory closes, but also I move to the pool.

By the way, I downloaded the Android version updated to 22.4.0d just to give it a try, and besides the loading time is a bit lower than in JoiPlay, still has the same issues even in a recently bought tablet.

 

[klebin]

i can't get the taming harem, check the status, both kylie and ayesha at the gym at the same time, activate kylie's jealousy scene but not the fight, then kylie is chased by the police and disappears from the game, does anyone know if do you have to do something specific?

 

[KhanJr]

I'd think any man would know that if you mess around with someone else's livelihood and family, he might try to kick your shit in, and you need to know how to defend yourself

I'm just going by reality though, not the storied wisdom that is Dungeons & Dragons

 

[magi_of_karnack]

There's so many prerequisites for these new quests now, this game is getting impossible...would be nice to have a game where all options are possible, or at least have the ability to come back at some time...

 

[flamingofan]

Hi! There is a limit how many times you can be promoted until you finish the CEO's daughter storyline. However I think the money you get is also bugged, because you don't get more money as your knowledge improves.

Thanks so much! I was worried it was bugged, making that 10k was gonna be very hard otherwise.

 

[hyfka]

I'd think any man would know that if you mess around with someone else's livelihood and family, he might try to kick your shit in, and you need to know how to defend yourself

I'm just going by reality though, not the storied wisdom that is Dungeons & Dragons

Congrats, you missed the point entirely.

1. "Muh realism" is a retarded argument in a discussion about a cartoon sex game where everyone eventually becomes your willing sex slave. Also, you kill a machete wielding biker just just fine without martial arts but against Dwayne it's mandatory since he is black obviously.

2. The issue is that you can only train martial arts during summer and it takes two weeks, but the showdown can happen in any season and between being told to prepare and the skill check it's one week

 

[Deleted member 4284693]

2. The issue is that you can only train martial arts during summer and it takes two weeks, but the showdown can happen in any season and between being told to prepare and the skill check it's one week

If I remember well, the game until a few versions ago don't give you the possibility to select the starting season, the same thing with Mike's birthday, so you start in Summer and one of the first thing you are told by Bree, actually is still there, is to buy a bike or a car and go to the beach.

EDIT:

I don't know if the game need a complete redo, but at least I think that the tutorial or the game could advise the player, about, as said in the wiki, the season-critical events. And even that, it is not the same that you miss the waterpark events with Morgan, because you are in Winter or Autumn season, that miss the martial arts training.

EDIT2:

1. "Muh realism" is a retarded argument in a discussion about a cartoon sex game where everyone eventually becomes your willing sex slave. Also, you kill a machete wielding biker just just fine without martial arts but against Dwayne it's mandatory since he is black obviously.

Please, tell that the Dwayne's master is not The Master....

 

[Cartageno]

When we're talking "realism" we of course should not forget that after a few weeks of martial arts you know nothing ... this "take five lessons and survive the onslaught of an experienced brawler" isn't in this game alone, but it always jars me.

 

[Ixiah]

Could someone please take a look at this save and tell me if its possible to still date Emma ?
Or maybe at least say if theres an saveditor flag i can change to enable it.

 

[Deleted member 4284693]

Yeah, also the idea of a guy living with two hot girls as roommates that suddenly and at the same time moved to the house, sounds like a Sitcom created by the Chuck Lorre. Annoying laugh track included.
Actually, the introduction could be a pilot episode.

 

[ash996]

when aletta fires me i can look for other jobs but it's like i'm bree and i can keep going to work at the office. I'm playing as Mike. is there any other consequence?

 

[rock2ez]

LEXI stopped at 70%, event won't trigger, bug again?