Ren'Py Lust Theory [v0.9.0] [Inceton Games]

[dkatryl]

Im posting this as i download the compressed version, so Im definitely going to download this and play it, but i have kinda mixed feelings about it going into it in the wake of the public spectacle of dev firings or whatever.

It's the same kinda mixed feelings I had years ago when the band Nightwish dismissed their main singer, Tarja, after their first five albums in this public open letter instead of handling it in private as it should have been.

Hopefully, just as Ive been able to enjoy their later albums with both of the replacement singers, despite those mixed feelings, these final updates of LT3 can be enjoyed without them going off the rails like LT2.

AND HOPEFULLY NO MORE FUCKING LUST TIME!

Lol

 

[mikhail2432342321413]

Can someone quickly make a android version

 

[HughMungusMan]

Crisis averted. They mostly kept Embercat's original ending and just tacked on a second one. Make a save when choosing both of them because if you replay the game after next week's update, the choice will be made for you and you could lock yourself out of the ending that bothers to explain what's going on.

Also, expect next week to be the finale (probably but not 100%) with the rest of the time being used to polish the Steam Release.

 

[HughMungusMan]

Im posting this as i download the compressed version, so Im definitely going to download this and play it, but i have kinda mixed feelings about it going into it in the wake of the public spectacle of dev firings or whatever.

It's the same kinda mixed feelings I had years ago when the band Nightwish dismissed their main singer, Tarja, after their first five albums in this public open letter instead of handling it in private as it should have been.

Hopefully, just as Ive been able to enjoy their later albums with both of the replacement singers, despite those mixed feelings, these final updates of LT3 can be enjoyed without them going off the rails like LT2.

AND HOPEFULLY NO MORE FUCKING LUST TIME!

Lol

To be fair to them, they didn't make a spectacle out of it. They fired him privately. We just tried to guess what was going on (and I'm in part to blame for fanning the flames since I was worried that they were gonna screw this up the way they did LT2.)

It escalated though because some dumbass actually went and messaged Lancelot, basically pressuring him into saying he'd comment on it later, which then forced Embercat's hand into releasing the conversation to get ahead of it which then forced Lancelot's hand into releasing the other half when that same smoothbrained glue sniffer went back to him and shared the screenshot before dipping back to his cave so he could keep snorting chalk or whatever it is he does to play Space Invaders with the one stubborn braincell he has left.

But one thing I can spoil you for sure is this... THERE'S NO LUST TIME! LET'S GO!

 

[MrMax]

There also seem to be a LOT of text edits in the previous scripts (did a compare between the folders). A quick glance tells me it's mostly typo fixes and re-arranging dialog for better flow.
Still - a lot of stuff was adjusted

 

[dkatryl]

To be fair to them, they didn't make a spectacle out of it. They fired him privately. We just tried to guess what was going on (and I'm in part to blame for fanning the flames since I was worried that they were gonna screw this up the way they did LT2.)

It escalated though because some dumbass actually went and messaged Lancelot, basically pressuring him into saying he'd comment on it later, which then forced Embercat's hand into releasing the conversation to get ahead of it which then forced Lancelot's hand into releasing the other half when that same smoothbrained glue sniffer went back to him and shared the screenshot before dipping back to his cave so he could keep snorting chalk or whatever it is he does to play Space Invaders with the one stubborn braincell he has left.

But one thing I can spoil you for sure is this... THERE'S NO LUST TIME! LET'S GO! View attachment 5480519

So more a case of mishandling than petty junior high level bullshit?

Fair enough, then.

I'll give them a pass simply for not adding Lust Time.

 

[HughMungusMan]

There also seem to be a LOT of text edits in the previous scripts (did a compare between the folders). A quick glance tells me it's mostly typo fixes and re-arranging dialog for better flow.
Still - a lot of stuff was adjusted

Yeah a lot of the dialogue was pretty rough on release for most of these updates, so it would make sense.

So more a case of mishandling than petty junior high level bullshit?

Fair enough, then.

I'll give them a pass simply for not adding Lust Time.

Yeah, definitely. I mean ultimately I think their criticisms' of Embercat's story are wrong and the part they tried to glue on top shows that they're definitely not as capable so we dodged a bullet that they only did that and didn't attempt to replace stuff.

On the interpersonal side, Lancelot has a much more uh, let's say, loose communication style so he came off as somewhat rude to Embercat (who also somewhat miscommunicated but that's to be expected as he was on the backfoot and trying to save his job), but they definitely did not make a spectacle out of his firing or anything dirty like that.

And the madlad still got the last laugh by ending the game with no Lust Time (well unless they add one next week I guess...)

 

[jjoron95]

i want a happy ending with everyone not only one

 

[Igetby]

i want a happy ending with everyone not only one

When engaging with a work of fiction, there is a level of suspension of disbelief that is implicitly established in the early stages of the narrative.

As long as the “level of absurdity” stays within the boundaries of the paradigm implicitly set at the beginning, the suspension of disbelief becomes almost unconscious: it operates in the background, like breathing.

If the “level of absurdity” changes once the story is well underway, immersion is automatically broken, and the suspension of disbelief must be actively re-engaged.

Personally, I believe that the choice of not letting the escape from prison thing being transported in the real world once time is fixed back to normal is very wise. As long as they're living in the time loops consequences can always be fixed in the next loop. There's no space for that once time is back to normal.

Since time loops have been part of the story from the very beginning, I personally have no problem pretending to believe in them. And once I accept that the time loops are real, I have no trouble thinking that the MC could pull a dumb stunt like that. But since everything suggests that sooner or later time will be fixed back to normal… I’d have a really hard time believing that he could get away with such a stunt without the time loops having his back.

I hate the fact that so many people need deep logic in these kinds of games and because of that they believe Ellie needs to end the game behind bars so their porn game with alternate reality story lines fits their personal head canon.

As they literally type that complaint with their pants around their ankles. This is not a personal attack on anyone I just believe some people play these looking for Shakespeare.

 

[Ownoffers]

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[Acran92]

so.. i poked my head in here becouse i liked S1 and have maybe gotten 15-20% through s2
but can anyone give me the TLDR of why this game seems to be delisted frombeing updated and put on the front page
also all this new drama from (what i can gather at a glance) a dev or writer being sacked?

 

[grey_shadow]

all this new drama from (what i can gather at a glance) a dev or writer being sacked?

The writer for the first two seasons got replaced by Embercat, who wrote most of S3, and has been well received by people on this thread. They've now been sacked for not aligning with Inceton's vision, with the latest update reportedly delivering Embercat's planned ending plus an alternate ending, currently as a player choice, but with the plan being to automate the ending selection in the next (and probably final, aside from bugfixes, etc) update.

 

[RebelDrake8758]

Can anyone post their save files

 

[World of Pants]

ok, so I just played through the compressed version.
Anyone thats also done so, know which of the options was Embercat's preferred option?

 

[carlo.ottari]

AND HOPEFULLY NO MORE FUCKING LUST TIME!

But one thing I can spoil you for sure is this... THERE'S NO LUST TIME! LET'S GO!

I'll give them a pass simply for not adding Lust Time.

I don't get the hate for the Lust Time.
I mean, I loved it, I'm sad they're not doing it anymore, and it's actually weird starting a game with it and then dropping it, and I hope they add the missing LT after they're done with the main story.
But even if I didn't like it, like most seem to...how hard it is it to just not click on it?


EDIT: oh, wait - maybe I don't know what Lust Time is. Isn't it the bonus renders that you used to get across the game?

 

[HughMungusMan]

ok, so I just played through the compressed version.
Anyone thats also done so, know which of the options was Embercat's preferred option?

Embercat wrote the first ending. The one that is 800 renders long, as opposed to the other one that is 200 renders long.

I can't confirm that nothing was changed. In fact I'm fairly certain that he had planned to make it much more comprehensive, providing in depth answers to the mysteries setup so far and making the sequences much more impactful but was reigned in because it was assumed that no one wants to bother reading "boring" explanations.

 

[HughMungusMan]

I don't get the hate for the Lust Time.
I mean, I loved it, I'm sad they're not doing it anymore, and it's actually weird starting a game with it and then dropping it, and I hope they add the missing LT after they're done with the main story.
But even if I didn't like it, like most seem to...how hard it is it to just not click on it?


EDIT: oh, wait - maybe I don't know what Lust Time is. Isn't it the bonus renders that you used to get across the game?

No, those are fine. I personally don't care either way but I don't think anyone has a problem with those, and they'll probably add them back in later.

Lust Time is the "interactive" (notice the quotes) sex scene feature where you need to click on each "scene" and move through 3 speeds before moving on to the next part etc. Those are not skippable, you're forced to go through them and you're forced to do them in a linear order.

 

[World of Pants]

Embercat wrote the first ending. The one that is 800 renders long, as opposed to the other one that is 200 renders long.

I can't confirm that nothing was changed. In fact I'm fairly certain that he had planned to make it much more comprehensive, providing in depth answers to the mysteries setup so far and making the sequences much more impactful but was reigned in because it was assumed that no one wants to bother reading "boring" explanations.

OMG! they really thought we would rather have that lame 200 render version?
The 800 render one was so much better, and not because it was longer but because FFS of course we should have a proper explanation that stitches it all togerther after literal years of waiting to find out what it was all really about!
LT has never been better than since it has been written by Embercat. If they write any more VN's, they will be an automatic play for me!

 

[Embercat]

ok, so I just played through the compressed version.
Anyone thats also done so, know which of the options was Embercat's preferred option?

My version of the ending, (I never planned nor was asked to build in a good /bad ending to the game) was the version where

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I very much disliked that direction when it was pitched but Lancelot was insistent and wrote the Carol intervention himself. It was alluded to in my firing message where he criticizes me for calling him out on pacing as days before I had said his ending idea didn't make sense, and criticised it for being way too quick and failing to tie up any of the three seasons of game we've been through.

 

[HughMungusMan]

I never planned nor was asked to build in a good /bad ending to the game

It shows. The retinue of problems with that second ending aside, the game isn't built to support a branching narrative like this. None of the choices fit the criteria of being meaningful enough to be ending defining so most people who even grasp that there are two endings will feel blindsided that stuff that never mattered is suddenly being held against them, and writing wise none of these choices are written in a way that fits a dichotomy of "a choice Carol would approve/a choice she would disapprove", or even a "caring/careless" one, so there is no narrative payoff.

Carol has carefully and meticulously built the situation in Lust Theory to ensure Alice gets her hearts desire (which Carol sees as being an idealised version of MC).

I...Think that's technically true in both routes? It's just that in the second one, she decides she's failed at making said idealised version. Although, god knows, there certainly is dialogue that seems to contradict this (she only says that she introduced fake bugs to keep the loops going in a way that implies that they were genuine problems that she just fixed early) and because she never bothers to explain, you certainly wouldn't know it if you hadn't played the original ending first, which again is only a one week luxury before the choice is made for the player starting next update.