Having taken a look at your save, the girls you have possess a lot of willpower and their affection for you is neutral or worse. Both these factors impose harsh penalties on any seduction actions.Everything fails for me. No sweet or dirty talk and no caress or anything else. She just locks down after two or three tries and is angry for the rest of the day. Not sure how you guys do it 10+ times. I'm on day 16 and this is my build:
You might be better off waiting until their relation improves at least to amiable -- for Loren, using the option to "spend time together" is easy way to get 2 happiness/1 affection per every 2 hours for free, and you can pretty much spam it.
When you start seduction, in your case "Dirty Talk" can be a better opening, because the skill is slightly higher for your character, it gets additional modifier if the girl has some corruption, and the payoff is 2 arousal points if it works:
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And with arousal at 4+ it becomes easier to get caress and the rest of actions going, in a self-reinforcing loop (the next chance bonus is after arousal hits 8+)
At this point you can pretty much go to town:
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Note, since your manipulation skill is higher it can be a better option to get over this step, at least with no affection.
No save scumming was involved.
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