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I'll add my vote that at the moment there are too many slaves for the available space. I suggest no more be added, instead develop the current ones and add "active" space for them.

Even with the retreat, arena, and wife you can only have 19, and that's with no room to train randoms. I've found five randoms I want to keep already (combination of looks/traits/skills).
 
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I'll add my vote that at the moment there are too many slaves for the available space. I suggest no more be added, instead develop the current ones and add "active" space for them.

Even with the retreat, arena, and wife you can only have 19, and that's with no room to train randoms. I've found five randoms I want to keep already (combination of looks/traits/skills).
I'd rather just have more space, I like most all the girls he's adding, I don't want him to quit doing that either.

I imagine much of this will be solved in the House update he's working on now, but as an interim measure perhaps the Retreat could be vastly reduced in cost, say 29k instead of 290k or whatever it is. Starting a game right now is kinda painful because you have to rope off so much of the game so as not to have to sell them before you get the Retreat.
 
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Starting a game right now is kinda painful because you have to rope off so much of the game so as not to have to sell them before you get the Retreat.
Yeah that's my current dilemna. Let's see, I can't do this, this, this, or this until after I get the retreat... Grrr.
 
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I'd rather just have more space, I like most all the girls he's adding, I don't want him to quit doing that either.

I imagine much of this will be solved in the House update he's working on now, but as an interim measure perhaps the Retreat could be vastly reduced in cost, say 29k instead of 290k or whatever it is. Starting a game right now is kinda painful because you have to rope off so much of the game so as not to have to sell them before you get the Retreat.
Not privy to Grim's plans, but with the Retreat and home being reworked I hope he is considering the opportunity to develop another location. I like the idea of the Winton manor becoming available through further actions with Leia Winton or some other location in which we can renovate that gives the player more room. There was talk of a farm, not sure if that is still an idea.
 

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Not privy to Grim's plans, but with the Retreat and home being reworked I hope he is considering the opportunity to develop another location. I like the idea of the Winton manor becoming available through further actions with Leia Winton or some other location in which we can renovate that gives the player more room. There was talk of a farm, not sure if that is still an idea.
I am hoping the retreat will become "working" space, perhaps with the purchase of upgrades the slaves can work in, such as:
1. A greenhouse where a slave or two can work as gardeners.
2. A recycling center where a slave can scrap merchandise (and with high enough Science find circuit boards and such).
3. A machine shop where a slave can turn scrap metal into fasteners.
4. A (brothel) lobby where girls can work as prostitutes (same modifiers as a normal prostitution event, but lower revenue and reduced wear and risk).
5. A classroom where you can homeschool multiple girls at a time, or train multiple Issids at the same time.
6. An etiquette studio where slaves can improve their Charisma.
7. A ballet studio where slaves can improve their Performance, Dancing, and Acrobatics.
 

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Not privy to Grim's plans, but with the Retreat and home being reworked I hope he is considering the opportunity to develop another location. I like the idea of the Winton manor becoming available through further actions with Leia Winton or some other location in which we can renovate that gives the player more room. There was talk of a farm, not sure if that is still an idea.
I like that idea, especially seeing more of Miss Winton, which he hinted at a while back but we've not seen yet.

I'd like more in my own household too though. Like 12 or 16.
 

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Since Charm and manipulate are extremely bad in the early game and 99.9% of attempts fail, what do you guys do with slaves anyway? Can't intimidate or terrorize, can't explain, and you won't succeed at sex or BDSM rolls either.

So what's the common plan here, put them to work at the book store?
 

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Since Charm and manipulate are extremely bad in the early game and 99.9% of attempts fail, what do you guys do with slaves anyway? Can't intimidate or terrorize, can't explain, and you won't succeed at sex or BDSM rolls either.

So what's the common plan here, put them to work at the book store?
Playing on easy mode to alleviate the inevitable grind, and getting the charm/manipulate perks at character creation, it works pretty well
Also buy the books and train you'll soon gain a lot of points
 

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Since Charm and manipulate are extremely bad in the early game and 99.9% of attempts fail, what do you guys do with slaves anyway? Can't intimidate or terrorize, can't explain, and you won't succeed at sex or BDSM rolls either.

So what's the common plan here, put them to work at the book store?
You should increase affection first. Food always works. Dinner or during theatre sessions. With high enough affection you can have sex without much convincing at all. Pain can work as well. You can always put anyone on a rack using brute force, no intimidation required. And then pain and humiliations will hammer Willpower. With <0 willpower girl will do anything.
 

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You should increase affection first. Food always works. Dinner or during theatre sessions. With high enough affection you can have sex without much convincing at all. Pain can work as well. You can always put anyone on a rack using brute force, no intimidation required. And then pain and humiliations will hammer Willpower. With <0 willpower girl will do anything.
Not really about sex. Just want to get their Willpower down so I can auction them off at a good price. The thing is, you can't really do that because low charm and manipulate stats will always guarantee a fail in anything you try. So no talking to her, no explaining no sex and no bondage. I can always force her, but that will just tank her happiness and affection.

It's my understanding that you need to keep the slave's happiness and affection up while getting her willpower down, to be considered an obedient slave --which fetch the highest prices.
 

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Since Charm and manipulate are extremely bad in the early game and 99.9% of attempts fail, what do you guys do with slaves anyway? Can't intimidate or terrorize, can't explain, and you won't succeed at sex or BDSM rolls either.

So what's the common plan here, put them to work at the book store?
I don't do much of anything with the girls other than train stamina until I've fully upgraded the bedroom, the living room, and the bathroom. That gives you a huge passive bonus to persuasion and an extremely easy way to generate some arousal in a girl before you try to do seduction/ask for sex/bondage.

It also helps a lot to cycle each girl through enough combat to build her respect to 20. You can go higher but the respect gains slow down dramatically after 20 so I usually stop there and move on to the next girl.

Ironically, it's actually easier to just ask for sex (better success rate) than it is to try to seduce them first. It doesn't build as much happiness but it's quicker and you'll succeed more often. Just take a bath with her and then ask for sex and you're good. That will grind up your manipulate skills as well.

Seduction is where you can grind up charm via caress, although I get most of it by just buying it up at the hospital when I have some money. Just do caress til your charm reaches a number ending in 4 or 9 and then buy it up to 89. Do that before you read the persuasion books. Seduction is also the place to work on bondage, kissing, and cunnilingus skills.

For bondage and flagellation your best bet is to go whip the girls at dockgraves frequently. That's a very effective way to raise bondage and more importantly flagellation. I've found that whipping is counter productive until you get your flagellation skill up so the only thing I use bondage for until then is to fuck a girl in the ass for the first time. If you picked the big dick option most of them will refuse to let you fuck them in the ass until after you've done it at least once during a bondage session.

Once you get a girl to loving or better affection she'll also be willing to do almost anything even with relatively low stats. So your success rate at most sex related things will go up.
 
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Since Charm and manipulate are extremely bad in the early game and 99.9% of attempts fail, what do you guys do with slaves anyway? Can't intimidate or terrorize, can't explain, and you won't succeed at sex or BDSM rolls either.

So what's the common plan here, put them to work at the book store?
Charm is extremely easy to increase. I only play on grimdark and I usually start with very low charm. You simply get a slave that will have sex with you... take showers with them be nice to them. All the things that Khumak mentioned in above post. Or just buy a slave that will have sex with you. It really doesn't take many kind acts to get them to a place where they will have sex with low seduction/manipulation skill.

I mean, sure, don't try that on a slave that has high will power and hates your guts... I mean those slaves can work, too, but it requires more acts of kindness.

Then you simply caress until grey, then kiss, then go back to caress. You don't even need to have sex with them. You just do that over and over. Charm will rise to 70 with that alone. And since you are speed hitting the buttons it really goes up fast compared to other things.

The game is pretty fucking easy once you learn the mechanics as orgasms pretty much instantly turn girls into love slaves. I actually think it is way too easy as orgasms are way too powerful. Once you have an eager beaver then caress/kiss them and grind up your charm/kissing and cunnilingus. Cunnilingus is really useful as well, in my opinion. You can get some bondage along the way as well once you have an eager beaver.
 
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Since Charm and manipulate are extremely bad in the early game and 99.9% of attempts fail, what do you guys do with slaves anyway? Can't intimidate or terrorize, can't explain, and you won't succeed at sex or BDSM rolls either.

So what's the common plan here, put them to work at the book store?
¿99.9% of attempts faill?

Build a Charmer. You roll against Aria at 40 just on the spot, improving with happiness and respect.
 

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Not a single person found that gibberish note in that Old Gate location? Is that thing useful?
At the moment, no. Will it be in the future? I don't know. I don't think Grim has decided or he hasn't indicated that it will be useful. My guess is everyone has found it.
 

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Not a single person found that gibberish note in that Old Gate location? Is that thing useful?
I didn't understand which one you were referring to, as 'Old Gate' doesn't ring any bells and there's more than one curious note you can find.

Is it the one that looks like a DNA sequence of some sort? I think that's still a WIP (work in progress). There's a few mysterious things you encounter that suggest there's a mystery (or mysteries) to solve that Grimdark hasn't revealed to us yet.
 

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Not really about sex. Just want to get their Willpower down so I can auction them off at a good price. The thing is, you can't really do that because low charm and manipulate stats will always guarantee a fail in anything you try. So no talking to her, no explaining no sex and no bondage. I can always force her, but that will just tank her happiness and affection.

It's my understanding that you need to keep the slave's happiness and affection up while getting her willpower down, to be considered an obedient slave --which fetch the highest prices.
When I first started my strategy was to max Charm as much as I could in character creation (I think 85 was the best you could do) so as to make the early game easier. Now I don't do that, but do kinda long for the days when I could charm easily and am not sure that my current strategies are really all that much better because you do lose time with the girls if you start with 25 or so Charm.
 
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When I first started my strategy was to max Charm as much as I could in character creation (I think 85 was the best you could do) so as to make the early game easier. Now I don't do that, but do kinda long for the days when I could charm easily and am not sure that my current strategies are really all that much better because you do lose time with the girls if you start with 25 or so Charm.
I don't find low starting charm to be an issue for the girls I want to keep long term. There are plenty of ways to make progress with them even at 20 charm. Where the problem comes in is if you're set on breaking the random girls as fast as possible for sale. If that's your goal then yeah you're going to need high charm because you don't have time to build respect to 20, spend days complimenting them, etc.

I tried to do that one game and failed. My house filled up with partially broken randoms who mostly hated me initially and then my pool of unprocess captured slaves filled up with females as well because I was out of room.

I'm not sure that's really viable with every random anyway unless you get your charm and manipulation up around Silver Tongue levels and get your bondage, flagellation, and sex skills up really high so you can guarantee immediate and significant progress with every girl you get as soon as you get her even if she hates you. That takes awhile to get to.
 
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