Vordertur

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Probably that was the mistake from the beginning ..(too much mood for a particular character)
Certainly the game would have advanced and other characters would have entered the scene (like the neighbor and the classmates).
Maybe even the game would be in the final stages now, the amount of requests and donations involved ended up in this ..
Dev did not have a chance, previous work shows that he does not like games that are too time-consuming (prefers short games, rests a while and does the second chapter) ..
Worst of all is how this has been affecting moods and spread to other games ..
That's part of the problem of this kind of "off the cuff" style of development. Who knows whether or not the cast was originally meant to be this large? Or if it was, maybe a lot of these side characters that got popular weren't intended to be introduced so soon into things.

Now the thing is, I get it: I know how tempting it is to just sort of sit down and do stuff. Start writing, start creating, whatever. And if that means a whole bunch of new characters get generated, or the plot goes off in a direction you didn't expect, well, you just deal with it. But it also leaves you really vulnerable to writing yourself into a corner. Or, in cases like this, dumping a cast that's far too large to manage into your lap and leaving you unable to develop them all properly.

As much as I've never liked the idea of having an "outline" of major plot events from the get-go, there's good reason for people to do that. It keeps you from overextending yourself. At the very least, keeping a "series bible" so you know what major story events are going to happen, roughly where they're going to happen and who's going to be involved, so you know what characters to introduce, when they need to be active in the narrative and all that... well... yeah, keeps you from ending up with a kludgy mess like this.

But again, all that involves a lot more thinking ahead than was probably involved here. And it's just not in keeping with everyone's M.O., either.
 

jamdan

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The 3 main girls are Caroline, Linda and Sara. He should focus on those 3, the other characters are all side-girls. Now, obviously the side-girls will get their own content and need it but they aren't as important as the trio IMO.

The best way to update is probably to do a little of everything, maybe 1 scene with each main girl and something with a side girl. Would make good progress, probably won't get burned out and everyone gets a little something.
 

Demonius

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That's weird, since we already had an update for Caroline, even though it was pretty bad. I was hoping to see more of Sarah. It's been so long since her last upate.
thats because people kept voting for Caroline in the polls, but i believe ICSTOR has said that hes not gonna be doing any more polls and hes just gonna work on the characters he feels liek working on and this next update
 

Storm4n

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Jul 10, 2017
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I just can't fucking understand why people keep supporting these devs, they take huge benefits and keep milking the cow and of course now that's a 5 month holiday...

This fucker has 5300 patrons, being $1 the lowest bid which almost nobody pledges and $10 to $15 the most common except for a few guys dropping $50 or more this guys could be potentially making easily $15k-$25k a MONTH.

Even if Patreon took HALF that's plenty to fucking organize yourself, invest in new hardware, invest in hiring help in order to finish these games... I still can't fucking wrap my mind around the idea of people not demanding their money back from these "devs" after hiatus like these.

EDIT:
Just to clarify if I can I always support the games I like/liked, I supported games like Strive for power, Dreaming of Dana and so on... what I refuse to do is be someone that pays $15 each month for a year, I always try and be fair, I considered these games to be priced at maybe $50 so once I reach that quota I take the payment out. There's no reason for me to keep paying $15 each month for 2 years to a total of $360 for a 6 hour game or a short adventure one. That's preposterous... this whole "keep paying for life til I feel like finishing the game" model is just so damn wrong.
 

Jonycreed

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Jul 9, 2017
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I just can't fucking understand why people keep supporting these devs, they take huge benefits and keep milking the cow and of course now that's a 5 month holiday...

This fucker has 5300 patrons, being $1 the lowest bid which almost nobody pledges and $10 to $15 the most common except for a few guys dropping $50 or more this guys could be potentially making easily $15k-$25k a MONTH.

Even if Patreon took HALF that's plenty to fucking organize yourself, invest in new hardware, invest in hiring help in order to finish these games... I still can't fucking wrap my mind around the idea of people not demanding their money back from these "devs" after hiatus like these.
True, and also how people don't demand a better "service" when they give him the 15k-25k a month. The dude could literally hire a full team, and still be bathing in money.
 
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J II D

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No one has less faith in icstor than me, or has less faith in this project being completed.

That said(and this is only to those who are paying and complaining).
Just do what i have been doing since a month ago.

Cancel all your pledges to everyone and make a note of the amount you are/were paying them
If a developer produces a new "real" update, pay that amount times the months he has worked on it.
If a developer decides that he isn't going to return or vanishes into thin air, don't pay him...

This way the paradigm shifts from
Paying for "Future promises" to the more usual " pay for a product" .

That whole monthly system of paying for empty promises and fairy tales has proven "exploitable" in the last 24 months, and i am not primary talking about ICSTOR.... I am talking about the more severe cases like Irredeemable, Gumdrop, Combin Ation and more.

So if you are paying and thinking about dropping your pledge or anything like that.
That option might do the trick for you ; ).

I am not saying that everybody should drop their pledges and and never come back.
Only saying that updates should be rewarded, but there should also be room for consequences if it goes badly ; )

Edit:
Those who have never paid a penny and are complaining..
GO AWAY......
Sure, you are allowed of an opinion of the game, but if you have never paid a penny to anyone then you have no right to talk about the development.
 

jcwiggens

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May 16, 2017
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thats because people kept voting for Caroline in the polls, but i believe ICSTOR has said that hes not gonna be doing any more polls and hes just gonna work on the characters he feels liek working on and this next update
He says he will do polls but not for which characters to focus on. Instead, polls will be for poses and other fine tuning points.
 

jcwiggens

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May 16, 2017
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I just can't fucking understand why people keep supporting these devs, they take huge benefits and keep milking the cow and of course now that's a 5 month holiday...

This fucker has 5300 patrons, being $1 the lowest bid which almost nobody pledges and $10 to $15 the most common except for a few guys dropping $50 or more this guys could be potentially making easily $15k-$25k a MONTH.

Even if Patreon took HALF that's plenty to fucking organize yourself, invest in new hardware, invest in hiring help in order to finish these games... I still can't fucking wrap my mind around the idea of people not demanding their money back from these "devs" after hiatus like these.

EDIT:
Just to clarify if I can I always support the games I like/liked, I supported games like Strive for power, Dreaming of Dana and so on... what I refuse to do is be someone that pays $15 each month for a year, I always try and be fair, I considered these games to be priced at maybe $50 so once I reach that quota I take the payment out. There's no reason for me to keep paying $15 each month for 2 years to a total of $360 for a 6 hour game or a short adventure one. That's preposterous... this whole "keep paying for life til I feel like finishing the game" model is just so damn wrong.
I need to start to supporting Strive if he is going to continue to update it. He has a new project now that he is working on as well.
 

florameriadoc

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Jul 8, 2017
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I went through the first 40 pages and I did not find what I was looking for, no way I'm going through all the 1006 pages, what is the unzipping password for the game?
 

sarge87

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Apr 27, 2017
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I went through the first 40 pages and I did not find what I was looking for, no way I'm going through all the 1006 pages, what is the unzipping password for the game?
The .zip file isn't password protected. Try using 7zip instead of Winrar it should do the trick.
 
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