Moral opinions concerning AI-generated art

[White Lynx]

Hello Everyone!

I am publishing a v0.1 version of my game soon in which all artwork was made by AI (albeit largely edited in Photoshop).

I'm curious to hear everyone's thoughts on AI-generated art in adult games. Is it something generally accepted here? Or are opinions highly polarizes due to ethical concerns of how those models were based on (at least initially) stealing and using works from artists without permission or compensation?
Would the community here be concerned about the use of AI-generated art, potentially even rejecting it on moral grounds? Or is the visual appeal of the art the primary consideration?

 

[nulnil]

Personally, I hate AI. I don't really care that it uses the artwork of others to generate it's output, I don't even mind if people trace art as long as the end result looks good. The problem is that I can tell if somethings AI generated just by looking at it 90% of the time.

 

[lfgals1]

I'm not a massive fan of AI art on moral grounds, but the real crux of the issue for me is that AI art basically always lacks the erotic energy, character, and consistency necessary to produce something actually good.

 

[Tar77]

Moral? Ethical? Stealing? While there are a few people that might care about that here the vast majority aren't going to care about that on a pirate site. If anything it would be a lot less bad than all the games that have actual stolen real porn.

That being said it's usually not popular but not because of moral reasons. More do to the limitations of ai art currently. Personally I almost always move on immediately after seeing it's ai. While some of the art is good I have issues with stuff like consistency between renders and lack of animations and the fingers....

Either way it's worth a try. People are getting more accepting of it and the quality is going up. If you do a good enough of a job with it it could be very successful. Good luck.

 

[DuniX]

It's as moral as using Honey Select, Koikatsu or random images of the internet.
In other words complainers about AI art are a bunch of hypocrites.
Even Daz which is "technically" legitimate(if you ignore all the stolen assets they are probably using), they are certainly not paying any "real artists" with that.

In other words this entier Cottage Industry would not exist if people really cared about morals.
Not to mention when you hire an "artist" they can stab you in the back at any time for any reason, unlike an AI or a program.

 

[tanstaafl]

I'm not a massive fan of AI art on moral grounds, but the real crux of the issue for me is that AI art basically always lacks the erotic energy, character, and consistency necessary to produce something actually good.

I've tried several of the AI companion sites and was fairly disappointed for this reason. But, I will say the potential is there, just not on most of the current generation art generators, but once they catch up to the GPT generator that will change in a big way. In an attempt to test its facial expression capabilities I gave chatGPT4 the prompt. show me a pretty woman with a large smile. It asked for clarification so I said the first thing that popped into my mind and typed in Show me a woman that could pass as pippy longstocking with a big smile. Then the same prompt with Pout, Frown, Wink.

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Needless to say, AI art can be and, in some cases, is waaaay better than the current generation of nsfw generators we are using.

 

[mgtoons]

I think some of the AI art is gorgeous. I don't mind it at all as long as the weird artifacts that pop up are taken care of (like 6 fingers and other things that get smooshed into it). My biggest desire would be to see those images being able to form good animation. I haven't really played many AI games on this site because most of them are not of interest to me. They always seem to be female protag, card games, or other stuff that isn't what I'm looking for. I definitely don't care about the 'moral' ambiguity or being snobby about it being 'generated'. The more hyper realistic the images, the better.

 

[starsmydestination]

Probably some unexplored bias speaking here but, personally, I'm just not a fan of AI art. It stands out in a bad way, and that's putting aside whatever errors and deformities it generates. Haven't even bothered looking at AI-generated stories and such.

 

[BitingTheBullet]

As a dev myself, I don't have any issues with AI art. I see it as just another tool. My biggest gripe with people who use AI is the pride some have with the art as though they've made it themselves. I've done traditional art myself so I understand and somewhat agree when artists (whether traditional or digital/3d) get mad at them.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

Would the community here be concerned about the use of AI-generated art, potentially even rejecting it on moral grounds?

Hell no. We have tons of AI-assisted games here already.
Sure some people would likely cry about AI art in your thread as they usually do, but in the end, who gives a shit?
They'll cry a little and go away, as per usual.

Personally, i have no problems with AI art, text, voicing, or anything else.
IF it's a quality job, no lazy bullshit like 6 fingers and the like.

 

[VegitoHlove]

It's as moral as using Honey Select, Koikatsu or random images of the internet.
In other words complainers about AI art are a bunch of hypocrites.
Even Daz which is "technically" legitimate(if you ignore all the stolen assets they are probably using), they are certainly not paying any "real artists" with that.

Yes! Thank you! Someone finally said it.

If one has a problem with AI art from a "Moral" standpoint, then they should for using the assets from these other sources. But People only cry when it's AI because frankly, they were told to by the internet. (And hating Generative AI is trendy and people like to virtue signal to show how good they are)

 

[Threadweaver]

I like it and I use it.
Couldnt make anything if I didnt have this amazing tool.
It has also gotten way better in the last year or so.

 

[desmosome]

On reddit or something, there are plenty of starving artist wanabees that will call AI the devil, but over here in Coom95zone, only a few people object to it on moral grounds (and usually due to some flimsy logic or misunderstanding about the nature of the training method). Most people just pass on it because while AI is good at generating sexy pin-up pictures, the tech isn't quite sufficient yet to produce consistency and coherence throughout a set of images.

 

[DuniX]

Most people just pass on it because while AI is good at generating sexy pin-up pictures, the tech isn't quite sufficient yet to produce consistency and coherence throughout a set of images.

The tech is pretty amazing if done right.
It can like copy the anime artstyle from 90's, no human can draw that artstyle nowadays, literally.
It's a preservation and mixing of artstyles long forgotten.
Check RJ01052891 on DLSite if you want to be amazed.
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[desmosome]

The tech is pretty amazing if done right.
It can like copy the anime artstyle from 90's, no human can draw that artstyle nowadays, literally.
It's a preservation and mixing of artstyles long forgotten.
Check RJ01052891 on DLSite if you want to be amazed.
Also:

It's great with art styles, since that's kind of how the AI operates based on training data, but it's incredibly hard to depict specific characters. A character will have different clothing and slightly different facial features in each image. Sure, with a lot of rerolls you might get something quite close, but we humans can just tell that it's not really flowing smoothly between images. Plus, an artist has a sense of time progression and how an image is related to the next one. An AI is just shooting the dice on each image. It might be subtle, but you can just tell.

That said, I think the current tech could be used to do a pretty decent VN using floating sprites and few sex CGs per scene with long sex dialogues. Basically Japanese VN style. You just need to spend a lot of time making the sprites with inpainting variations that doesn't completely change the face.

 

[DuniX]

but it's incredibly hard to depict specific characters. A character will have different clothing and slightly different facial features in each image.

Pretty sure you can already do that. But they are doing some kind of AI wizardry with stable diffusion that I can't comprehend.

 

[Tauro Thurius]

It shouldn't be an issue as long as you notify your audience beforehand. Some folks start their games with no AI assistance yet they go lazy and use AI without disclosing. It naturally annoys the audience.

 

[nulnil]

It's one thing to have AI assist in minor aspects related to game development, like making paintings for decoration or backgrounds in VN segments, but using it to create the majority of the art for a game is something else entirely. You just can't get any consistencies in the finer details, which is absolutely vital for longer forms of media such as a video game (or even just a video ffs).

 

[coffeeaddicted]

Hello Everyone!

I am publishing a v0.1 version of my game soon in which all artwork was made by AI (albeit largely edited in Photoshop).

I'm curious to hear everyone's thoughts on AI-generated art in adult games. Is it something generally accepted here? Or are opinions highly polarizes due to ethical concerns of how those models were based on (at least initially) stealing and using works from artists without permission or compensation?
Would the community here be concerned about the use of AI-generated art, potentially even rejecting it on moral grounds? Or is the visual appeal of the art the primary consideration?

You question is rather copyright related and not on moral or ethical grounds.
Stuff can probably answer that better.

Personally stealing art work or persons in real life is very questionable.

 

[Ches91]

I just skip every game that has AI generated characters, I don't care if the story is the best story ever written. It's probably just me, but I have the same problem with AI as I do with honey select games, all characters are almost the same, all animations are the same in all games made like this. I think I actually hate the fact that all the AI images look the same (same style I guess, idk how to explain it, it lacks the human touch and you can see it maybe?! idk). After I played 2-3 games with honey select characters/animations I can't stand to even check them out anymore because I already know what to expect and just seeing the same characters or animations in the preview images it's an instant skip for me.