My own personal AI thread

[tanstaafl]

Not for, not against. Just a statement.

No one is ready, in terms of how it will affect games and AVNs and just the industry as a whole. The people that are against it, the people that don't care, and the people that are for it. Just in the time I've started following and messing around with AI imaging, which is about two months, there has been incredible progress. Not just in animation and generation, but in the models (checkpoints) that people are training. People are using ai generated images to train more these days than art, though that is still a thing. AI generation and animation is progressing faster than people can keep up. A person that started making a game a month ago is already light years behind a person that starts making a game today. And it's just going to get better/worse (depending on your perspective).

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[DuniX]

The good thing about AIs is what is the more likely games they are going to be used in, which is My Kind of Games, games with actual Gameplay.
You can keep your Daz AVN Slop to yourself.
I want my AI Gameplay Slop for myself thank you very much.

 

[tanstaafl]

The good thing about AIs is what is the more likely games they are going to be used in, which is My Kind of Games, games with actual Gameplay.
You can keep your Daz AVN Slop to yourself.
I want my AI Gameplay Slop for myself thank you very much.

Too early to say that definitively. By Daz slop I assume you are talking about VNs? Because VNs can utilize this just as easily.

 

[DuniX]

Because VNs can utilize this just as easily.

I wish they would, but they will still use Daz since they consider themselves "cinematic directors" rendering every little fucking thing. You know my thoughts on what I think about that.
They will never give up that control, and you are never in full control with an AI.

 

[Count Morado]

Not for, not against. Just a statement.

No one is ready, in terms of how it will affect games and AVNs and just the industry as a whole. The people that are against it, the people that don't care, and the people that are for it. Just in the time I've started following and messing around with AI imaging, which is about two months, there has been incredible progress. Not just in animation and generation, but in the models (checkpoints) that people are training. People are using ai generated images to train more these days than art, though that is still a thing. AI generation and animation is progressing faster than people can keep up. A person that started making a game a month ago is already light years behind a person that starts making a game today. And it's just going to get better/worse (depending on your perspective).

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AI whore
You can't fool us, we know you are a pawn of the AIlluminati - the machines which are hellbent on controlling the world and eliminating humanity.

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[tanstaafl]

AI whore
You can't fool us, we know you are a pawn of the AIlluminati - the machines which are hellbent on controlling the world and eliminating humanity.

You got me. I'm getting in good with our new AI masters early so I can have a seat at the table when civilization falls.

 

[tanstaafl]

and you are never in full control with an AI.

That's getting...kind of better. You can now toss in basic, basic images as guides to what you want. Like, literally stick figures drawn in paint. It's not to the point where you can just narrate exactly yet, but give that part time.

 

[DuniX]

That's getting...kind of better. You can now toss in basic, basic images as guides to what you want.

That's Deliberate Effort you have to put in to get the exact result you wan't.
So it becomes a question on what you actually Need.
It's not something you do on your every whim.

Like I said before the problem stems from "just because you Can doesn't mean you Should".

 

[tanstaafl]

That's Deliberate Effort you have to put in to get the exact result you wan't.
So it becomes a question on what you actually Need.
It's not something you do on your every whim.

Like I said before just because you Can doesn't mean you Should.

Yeah, despite what people seem to think, AI does require personal effort...at least a little bit...to get what you want out of it.

 

[Draim]

Where is art?

 

[HereBeRickets]

Where is art?

Getting on a bus at the end of the last film, If I recall.

 

[tanstaafl]

Where is art?

Hopefully not in my porn game.

 

[MissCougar]

I think AI is amazing, but I'm kind of expecting the world to stop it all because it crushes human art and function.

I couldn't do as good art as even mediocre AI art, so why bother. It sort of prevents me from trying honestly.

 

[tanstaafl]

I think AI is amazing, but I'm kind of expecting the world to stop it all because it crushes human art and function.

I couldn't do as good art as even mediocre AI art, so why bother. It sort of prevents me from trying honestly.

Nothing like this has ever been nor can it be forcefully stopped. The only way it stops is if people just lose interest in it on their own. It's possible, but that won't be for quite a while.

 

[MissCougar]

Nothing like this has ever been nor can it be forcefully stopped. The only way it stops is if people just lose interest in it on their own. It's possible, but that won't be for quite a while.

Exactly! Except with more failure complex and self disapproval!

 

[tanstaafl]

Exactly! Except with more failure complex and self disapproval!

Nah, not the way to look at it. I'm predicting that art with more human flaws in it will soon get very popular as a way to differentiate.

 

[MissCougar]

Nah, not the way to look at it. I'm predicting that art with more human flaws in it will soon get very popular as a way to differentiate.

Maybe in some circles, but in the professional ring AI is going to cut out artists in general and you'll get less people wanting to be genuine artists, so eventually you'll have AI feeding itself new ideas which is some sort of amazing recursion and correction routines which people should be afraid of.

For me, in trying to build up the strength to dive into art and game dev.

 

[Count Morado]

Maybe in some circles, but in the professional ring AI is going to cut out artists in general and you'll get less people wanting to be genuine artists, so eventually you'll have AI feeding itself new ideas which is some sort of amazing recursion and correction routines which people should be afraid of.

For me, in trying to build up the strength to dive into art and game dev.

It hasn't happened in the past with other art tools when they were discovered. There was backlash and tantrums, just like now with AI, but in the end they all just became more tools in the toolbox.

I think you are underestimating human curiosity and passion.

My adult child is studying at a well-respected art school and they are learning how to use AI as a tool to spark their work, enhance it, or use it other ways alongside their own work on their creations.

AI won't cause fewer people to explore art. In fact, like other tools in the past - printing presses, latex paints, digital tools, etc - it allows more people to explore their creative side than had it never existed. I had what I thought was shit for artistic skills as a child, teen, and young adult. But digital tools such as CAD and Photoshop, gave me an opportunity to develop my skills and abilities that I never thought I had. Eventually, I started designing and creating stage, TV and film sets that I only might have dreamed about as a youth. Earning recognition and accolades from peers and community.

So, no, AI won't kill artistic drive. It will nurture those whose seeds of creativity were first thought to be tossed on barren ground to blossom into wondrous beauty. And for those who are already blossoming, it will increase their bounty many fold.

 

[MissCougar]

It hasn't happened in the past with other art tools when they were discovered. There was backlash and tantrums, just like now with AI, but in the end they all just became more tools in the toolbox.

I think you are underestimating human curiosity and passion.

My adult child is studying at a well-respected art school and they are learning how to use AI as a tool to spark their work, enhance it, or use it other ways alongside their own work on their creations.

AI won't cause fewer people to explore art. In fact, like other tools in the past - printing presses, latex paints, digital tools, etc - it allows more people to explore their creative side than had it never existed. I had what I thought was shit for artistic skills as a child, teen, and young adult. But digital tools such as CAD and Photoshop, gave me an opportunity to develop my skills and abilities that I never thought I had. Eventually, I started designing and creating stage, TV and film sets that I only might have dreamed about as a youth. Earning recognition and accolades from peers and community.

So, no, AI won't kill artistic drive. It will nurture those whose seeds of creativity were first thought to be tossed on barren ground to blossom into wondrous beauty. And for those who are already blossoming, it will increase their bounty many fold.

I don't believe a company is going to pay an artist to ChatGPT up an idea that they themselves can ChatGPT up just as good. The better AI gets, especially with spelling words, the less people will need to fix stuff. It may never be perfect, but it will hit the artist world pretty hard. I don't see companies staffing artists the way they used to before.

But we'll see how it goes. Maybe it'll all just be banned globally tomorrow.

 

[tanstaafl]

I don't believe a company is going to pay an artist to ChatGPT up an idea that they themselves can ChatGPT up just as good. The better AI gets, especially with spelling words, the less people will need to fix stuff. It may never be perfect, but it will hit the artist world pretty hard. I don't see companies staffing artists the way they used to before.

But we'll see how it goes. Maybe it'll all just be banned globally tomorrow.

This is a common misconception, mostly because of OpenAI marketing being a bit misleading. They aren't lying, they do have a next level AI compared to most others, but the art is limited. It's damn good, but until OpenAI gives the access and customization available to stable diffusion and similar technologies, it will never equal them. And yea, companies will definitely pay people with that knowledge in the future, mostly due to the fact that as AI imaging advances it is slowly becoming more and more complex to actually accomplish.

Basically, what I'm saying is that no matter how advanced OpenAI is it is basically microsoft paint compared to stable diffusion, comfy ui, forged, etc.

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