Identify Need help identifying a 2 game i played a while ago

[Jackwho2092]

Hi

Need help identifying 2 games I played a while a go

1st game is where you kidnap a high school girl then you also meet the mother and corrupt her i believe it was a Japanese game

2nd game is where you can corrupt your little sister but you 2 other friends can also corrupt your sister, there is also a scene where you can you push ur sister to do lewd thing to an old man she was visiting and helping

thank you

 

[TalisOFC]

For the 1st one, I believe you are talking about RapeLay, since there's a family of 3 women that the protagonist kidnaps and breaks, made by Illusion a long time ago (and banned in some countries, too).
Regarding the 2nd one, I have no clue... too little details.