Netorare and difference between male female enjoyers

[zilkin]

I think netorare hentai, be it anime, manga or games, are enjoyed very much differently by male and female audience.
For guys even if you are not doing it from a cuck perspective which invokes feeling of jelaousy or humiliation as much as being horny, but maybe from bull perspective you at least have the guy being cucked in mind.
Maybe you feel sorry for him or maybe you want to humiliate him in some homoerotic sado maso thing. I don't know, it's a very much dom sub thing going on there. or "I win" thing which might not be homoerotic but competition thing. But sometimes it goes into gay teritory.
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For women it's totally different (I'm a guy). For them they are less concerned about the bull - cuck dynamic in my opinion than the dudes are because look at it form their perspective. It is:

"I have this guy wanting to have sex with me (boyfriend or husband), then I have this guy (bad guy maybe boss or ugly bastard or good looking neighbor), maybe i have this guy wanting to fuck me (the friend of the boyfriend, friend of the bad guy)..." and so on.
So you see from girl's perspective it's more like she gets to choose more sexual options, and she can go there or there it is not about the "being cucked" dynamic at all for her.

If I am wrong be free to add and so on.

Summary is, for guys the dynamic of girl guy sex is as important as the dynamic of the cuck and the bull, but for girls the dynamic of the girl guy sex is much more important than the cuck bull dynamic.

 

[eaudecologne]

Yeah I feel you've got a good read on things. Only thing I'd like to add is you've spread yourself a little thin with this thread if that makes sense. Imagine if you made the thread something like "people who enjoy netori are actually homos!" Or "ntr is a female power fantasy", although that was already done before I think. Anyways solid takes bro I feel you

 

[ViralRivalz]

Hey women of F95, please identify yourself a woman and chime in... /s hehe, yeah right

I agree with your perspective from a dude's view. From a woman, I'm not so sure. The closest I've gotten is reading erotica written by female authors where cheating or hotwife situations are involved, and it's still very emotional driven. But rather than jealousy, obviously, they really emphasize the part that is "taboo" in having sex with a man other than your partner.

So the feeling of sexual taboo - which is the heart of their motivation in hotwife or cheating scenarios - is likely driven by a sense of immorality. For example, if you grew up with a very strict, very monogamous household where having sex with more than one person at a time is immoral and perverted, then as a woman, you might end up developing that kink.

 

[forgetmaster]

/s hehe, yeah right

 

[forgetmaster]

. or "I win" thing which might not be homoerotic but competition thing. But sometimes it goes into gay teritory.
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For women it's totally different (I'm a guy). For them they are less concerned about the bull - cuck dynamic in my opinion than the dudes are because look at it form their perspective.

For me it's not even about homoerotic thing in that case, although I am Bi and into all kinds of wild shit, I don’t see fucking the guy as homosexual when it’s to make him jealous or assert my dominance as you fuck his partner.

And when you mention the powerplay element, I will take it one step further, I would even consider fucking the guy after I am done with his wife or gf, just to conquer his cuck body after I already got into his head.

And I understand that few cuck who may not be gay, in that case making him lick my cum or make him eat out her creampied pussy will be a powermove.

That’s the real essence of this kink for me.

Now from the perspective of the woman, I dont think it's powerplay at all, even if some girls are on the dominant side, its more about sexual liberation and freedom our the control of her partner.
But then again there are girls who will happily sissify their husbands to be probed by a BBC.
It's a complex question and I don't claim to be a woman and would love to hear the female perspective

 

[eaudecologne]

I don’t see fucking the guy as homosexual

 

[MissCougar]

I think netorare hentai, be it anime, manga or games, are enjoyed very much differently by male and female audience.
For guys even if you are not doing it from a cuck perspective which invokes feeling of jelaousy or humiliation as much as being horny, but maybe from bull perspective you at least have the guy being cucked in mind.
Maybe you feel sorry for him or maybe you want to humiliate him in some homoerotic sado maso thing. I don't know, it's a very much dom sub thing going on there. or "I win" thing which might not be homoerotic but competition thing. But sometimes it goes into gay teritory.
NOW
For women it's totally different (I'm a guy). For them they are less concerned about the bull - cuck dynamic in my opinion than the dudes are because look at it form their perspective. It is:

"I have this guy wanting to have sex with me (boyfriend or husband), then I have this guy (bad guy maybe boss or ugly bastard or good looking neighbor), maybe i have this guy wanting to fuck me (the friend of the boyfriend, friend of the bad guy)..." and so on.
So you see from girl's perspective it's more like she gets to choose more sexual options, and she can go there or there it is not about the "being cucked" dynamic at all for her.

If I am wrong be free to add and so on.

Summary is, for guys the dynamic of girl guy sex is as important as the dynamic of the cuck and the bull, but for girls the dynamic of the girl guy sex is much more important than the cuck bull dynamic.

I may have more later but it looks like the concept is a male POV and then your scenario is "as seen by a male" and the biggest fault of all these things is its mens writing and world views and how women think through the lens of a guy.

the way i want NTR to be is some wife who is massively neglected or mistreated in some way gets to overcome her inner jealousy by letting another man get close. Maybe a little too close. And this opportunity lets her not only have a new and better life, but maybe get revenge on the original man who made her feel kind of bad. The other angle of this is the stress of the environment, like work and other factors that should go into it.

This is like a popular Hallmark movie trope with the city girl going off to some low stress country and finding the plumber or something and living a happy but low stress life.

 

[forgetmaster]

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Read it all for context, I have I issue breeding twinks, transbabes and femboys, I am just not into fucking guys, at least the conservative definition of a guy

 

[zilkin]

I may have more later but it looks like the concept is a male POV and then your scenario is "as seen by a male" and the biggest fault of all these things is its mens writing and world views and how women think through the lens of a guy.

the way i want NTR to be is some wife who is massively neglected or mistreated in some way gets to overcome her inner jealousy by letting another man get close. Maybe a little too close. And this opportunity lets her not only have a new and better life, but maybe get revenge on the original man who made her feel kind of bad. The other angle of this is the stress of the environment, like work and other factors that should go into it.

This is like a popular Hallmark movie trope with the city girl going off to some low stress country and finding the plumber or something and living a happy but low stress life.

Yeah but if the wife or gf is neglected it kind of takes the edge of netorare... sometimes that is the plot but a lot of the times the point is the bad guy just fucks better, so its a sex power fantasy for some guys and women.
And for girls I feel lets say this scenario, you have a boyfrend who is perfect and his dick isn't even small (also a plot in some ntr) but average, and you have a fat ugly bastard with a massive sized cock who can make u cum 100 times.
You telling me some women wouldn't just go, fuck it lets try that cock lol? I think they would, or maybe not in real world then in safe world of the hentai game maybe. Where they can just explore their options, purely physical lust not really emotional relationship.
But that is more of a dude's mentality, guys mostly don't go into a big complex romance porn is written as a physical thing you do, and also with netorare like a guy is good at sex so again its a guys thing of competing.

 

[Saerwen]

I will say this once. We women don't like typical male protagonist Japanese eroge/Hentai NTR. No, majority of women don't cheat because they are neglected sexuality. What is weird is how much men are so obsessed with cheating.

 

[eaudecologne]

No, majority of women don't cheat because they are neglected sexuality. What is weird is how much men are so obsessed with cheating.

I thought we were talking about games here. Of course women don't function irl like in porn games. Anyways what's so bad if a guy indulges in a little cartoon game about cheating? Obsessed or not is up to interpretation, but like being really into any fetish is a bit weird isn't it? Like if someones super into gangbangs or sex with monsters wouldn't that be weird? But it's just a little fantasy at the end of the day. It's just that cheating is more controversial than fucking monsters and whatnot

 

[MissCougar]

Yeah but if the wife or gf is neglected it kind of takes the edge of netorare... sometimes that is the plot but a lot of the times the point is the bad guy just fucks better, so its a sex power fantasy for some guys and women.
And for girls I feel lets say this scenario, you have a boyfrend who is perfect and his dick isn't even small (also a plot in some ntr) but average, and you have a fat ugly bastard with a massive sized cock who can make u cum 100 times.
You telling me some women wouldn't just go, fuck it lets try that cock lol? I think they would, or maybe not in real world then in safe world of the hentai game maybe. Where they can just explore their options, purely physical lust not really emotional relationship.
But that is more of a dude's mentality, guys mostly don't go into a big complex romance porn is written as a physical thing you do, and also with netorare like a guy is good at sex so again its a guys thing of competing.

So this is where you are effectively captive by design. You pretty much know what you are getting into and you just have to smile and nod.

Id say what I do for games like this, and most of the ones I play are the typical JRPG and more popular phone format, is just giggle at the situations and go with the flow.

Im not expecting realism, I'm not expecting my particular expectations to be met (or maybe they are at certain scenes), but I know what I got into and I'm not going to complain because something didn't go how I wanted it to.

Typically in these kinds of games the male is a good guy, usually passive and shy, but overall good. And the female eventually becomes the town bicycle.

Im not going to be upset because as a woman I'm not fairly represented here and thats not how it should go. I just go with it and do the 20 tit fondlings to advance to the 20 blow jobs, etc etc. and that's ok!

I think if you are trying to wrap some sort of reality around some of these situations and ask "wow, are women really like this?" the answer is no, we are not.

I'd say overall and myself included, we are pretty protective over our families. This is the husbands, the kids, etc. if anyone gets too close to disturb the family, you are going to enter the "finding out" phase pretty quickly. It can be a violent phase.

And this, just sort of holistically, enters into stuff like porn and such. A lot of women don't like porn because they feel it is some way for the husband to see things they don't want them to see or don't feel like they should see so the finding out phase comes into play there. It doesn't even have to be a real person, and that's the woman mind in some cases. Super jealous, super defensive, and ultimately not friendly to most other women when they get within her circle.

And for me this is where I'd like to see stories and such hit, how a woman can be corrupted to move past these fight impulses and greedy ownership of her man to shift focus to another man. Women don't like to share their things and men are owned by them as soul mates and there can usually be only one.

Anyhow that's my extended Ted Talk. Take it as you may, I don't want to represent all women everywhere as each are unique, but this is what I typically see and experience in my own head and my own vile jealousy and claws out antics.