Others Netoria Tactics 2 [Demo] [Apollo Seven]

[Apollo Seven]

nvm I am blind. Also Kobold Joe broke containment and is following us in the top left of all maps

Don't worry, Kobold Joe containment protocol will continue to be improved until he's fully isolated.

 

[raw_meat]

feels dirty to ask of this when the dev is online on this thread but whatever I have no shame (or money for that matter) anyone got a download/pirate of the game for us poorfags?

 

[tom08]

id like one too, i dont want it on my steam account and i dont use itch. i have paid on patreon before tho

 

[fetishgirl]

Okay going to give my thought on the Zaman route. I am going to talk about story/art and sex scenes. I will talk about overall gameplay in a seperate post.

First there is a bug on this route.

The bug is the Zaman x Vashti sex scene where Zaman's male avatar is present during the dialogue I will show a screenshot to help.

Story: Great actually I like the group dynamic better than the first game and I think the mystery and intrigue is better. A lot of excitement for what happens next as according to Vashti's plan it is no longer possible as Zaman needs to remain male so what will happen next is interesting. Also I do like Tariq's role as he is more lovable antagonist which reminded me of Owain with femboi Carwyn which ended up being one of my favorite romances and endings. Its just nice to have an antagonist that isn't 100% hostile which I felt was missing from the first game. I don't know if Danya will ever be involved sexually but it will be a shame if not because she is so lovable.

Art: Not sure how the other routes will compare but loved the art in the Zaman route please send my love to the artist I feel they continue to improve. Female Zaman is gorgeous. I would say the art is better than the first game so far.

Sex Scenes: Shar route: Good straight sex scenes and the lesbian scene makes me hopeful that we might get a lesbian love route only in this game which I feel was lacking from the first game fem Carwyn and Gwen would have been fantastic. Only criticism here is I wish they were a little longer the scenes but I can understand with how many you did it would take a lot of effort to make each one 5-10 mins of reading length.
Vashti route: Again much of the same also the idea of maybe a femdom lesbian relationship with Vashti does excite me if the route becomes possible simply because these options didn't exist with the first game.
Both routes: Now this is something I feel was lacking in the first game I understand that Carwyn isn't very sexually motivated originally at the start of the game but I feel that there should have been a little more self exploration from Carwyn. I really do like the progression of fem Zaman a lot better than Carwyn as Zaman might be influenced by the amulet to a certain degree but her embrace of femininity is from personal choice as the allure of an easier and a life of less conflict is very appealing to Zaman. As it is clear Zaman wants to avoid conflcit with their siblings and the female form might be the way to avoid that outcome so the progression here seems to match with Zaman's personality well. Not that Carwyn being sexually awakened through her feminine side didn't have its own appeal as someone who was very sexually reserved. However it didn't have the same care and build up to it that Zaman's does.

Overall worth the wait for this route alone as doing 4 routes with 2 branches each isn't easy. It is better than the first game in some ways but I feel worse in a couple of others but I will talk about that more when I have finished every character.

 

[MasterBlaxter]

Nice to see Act 1 officially released. For the Vashti route, are there any plans to allow her to grope Shahrazad in Act 2, either as herself or if she's using the Djinn form? It'd be nice to see Djinn Vashti also teasing Shah by flashing her dick or her tits, or progressing to handjobs/blowjobs once they got to that point in the story, but I understand that'd probably be a significant art investment for an optional portion of one route. Regular Vashti groping Shah would also be fun, seeing Shah's reactions to being teased by the woman who stole her lover and maybe starting to see why Zaman fell for her as well.

 

[Apollo Seven]

Nice to see Act 1 officially released. For the Vashti route, are there any plans to allow her to grope Shahrazad in Act 2, either as herself or if she's using the Djinn form? It'd be nice to see Djinn Vashti also teasing Shah by flashing her dick or her tits, or progressing to handjobs/blowjobs once they got to that point in the story, but I understand that'd probably be a significant art investment for an optional portion of one route. Regular Vashti groping Shah would also be fun, seeing Shah's reactions to being teased by the woman who stole her lover and maybe starting to see why Zaman fell for her as well.

Vashti will be able to grope Shah on the "naughty" side of her route, the one where she seduces Zaman. That's the only route it can happen though.

 

[fetishgirl]

Vashti route review for both paths. I did story mode for this game play mode so not sure if there are any gameplay bugs however on the waters of change battle I did come across something strange.

Possible bugs Vashti route both paths.

Also the defeat image in the Purified path of Vashti has her wearing her corrupt path's clothing with Kamaal's foot on her head.

Not sure as I played on story mode so I will leave that to Apollo to decide if they are bugs or not.

Story: Damn Kamaal definitely reminds you a lot of the first game but the level of confidence this man has is off the charts. Shame that he isn't the rival of Shah instead as I love dominant Vashti too much but its no surprise that someone as cunning and powerful as Vashti has Kamaal who isn't a hero in title only he has the strength to back it up. Fans of the first game should love Kamaal's character as he is basically Mordid but a physical power house rather than a cunning mage. Vashti is arguably my favorite out of the 4 main cast so her route might be my favorite so far. Purified Vashti path as I like to call it could end up being very brutal and a favorite of classic NTR fans. Rather than the twisted love she has for Zaman in her purified path she appears to have a normal romance with Azar who seems to like her without asking for anything in return. To see Kamaal shatter that in Act 2 will be absolutely brutal and is something to look forward to. However due to the uniqueness of Queen of NTR Vashti shown here I love this route too much to let Kamaal win. On this path I want to absolutely crush Kamaal (I really hope there is option in act 2 to crush each rival if we want to.)as I want to see where Vashti's path of domination leads. Never really seen a path before like this on any game on this site so this is my favorite path out of 4 I have played so far. A risky path to be sure but I hope the dev can get support for this because with the amount of NTR games flooding this site in the last 2 years I think this really stands out. Vashti's domination path is basically something I didn't even know I wanted till I saw it so I really apprecaite Apollo going for something unique here.

Art: Now that I have seen more of the outfits for Act 2 this has some great outfits and Vashti with female Zaman's dancer outfits have been my favs so far but also like like that Azar and male Zaman have great outfits too. I think the only one I haven't enjoyed too much is the maid outfit for Vashti simply because it seems too western themed but then again so does the secretary outfit. My complaints are more about personal taste rather than actual criticism as the art is good just like I said before with the Zaman route.

Sexual content: Purified path(Azar path): I think this route overall has my favorite scenes now however I do have slight criticism of Azar's behavior as he comes across as a little hypocritical in the purified path of Vashti. I think he should have been far more conflicted about Kamaal joining as Vashti's lover rather than holding Danya joining against her. As Azar is very keen on helping Vashti to open up and to trust others but outright refuses to trust the word alone of his new romantic partner. I think Azar's comments are fair in Vashti's corrupt path especially given what she is doing in private but don't suit the purified path. Otherwise I praise for the progression of the romance between Azar x Vashti and the anticipation it builds for Act 2 when Azar has to face off against a chad forged through fire and years of achievements against the average rogue.

Corrupt path (Zaman Path): Easily my favorite path so far in both terms of story and sex scenes. While on the alternate path it is nice to have option for Vashti to finally have a love she is worthy of despite the years of bitterness. This is her embracing bitterness and sharpening into a weapon to motivate herself to take control and to dominate everything. Vashti x Shah scenes were incredible and the concept of her potentially using her futa form to impregnate Shah behind Zaman's back leads to a lot of interesting final outcomes for her story which are really exciting. Also just how twisted this route is beautiful in a dark way as we have Vashti cuck Shah and have Azar cuck Zaman only to cuck Azar and Zaman especially if she gets Shah pregnant. Also I am really excited for where Act 2 takes this. Will corrupted Vashti go the Mordid route and hypnotise the invincible chad Kamaal into becoming her ultimate tool while keeping control as the court wizard of king Zaman's reign while Zaman's heir with Shah is her own. Or will she feel that Zaman isn't fit to be king use the power of bracelet to make Zaman her wife and Shah as her concubine and takes the throne for herself while using magic to transform Kamaal into a woman which seems to be the ultimate punishment for a man that feels raw strength is all that matters. A lot of options to choose from I like where this is going.


Fantastic already half way done and it feels like an early Xmas present was worth giving Apollo extra time to cook. Vashti overall is my favorite Route and character. I will be doing Azar's route next.

 

[EmilIrving]

Vashti will be able to grope Shah on the "naughty" side of her route, the one where she seduces Zaman. That's the only route it can happen though.

... Damn, I want to have my good playthrough of Vashti to do that to Shah, especially seeing that NO ONE is paired.
But the naughty route being the only way to grope Shah makes sense.

 

[MasterBlaxter]

Vashti will be able to grope Shah on the "naughty" side of her route, the one where she seduces Zaman. That's the only route it can happen though.

Good to know! Any plans for Djinn Vashti to have different gropes than regular Vashti? Either Djinn Vashti groping others or others groping her Djinn form?

 

[Apollo Seven]

Good to know! Any plans for Djinn Vashti to have different gropes than regular Vashti? Either Djinn Vashti groping others or others groping her Djinn form?

Djinn Vashti already has different gropes, you just don't really get a chance to see them because the forms presence in Act 1 is so limited. It will be much more important in Act 2 though.

 

[Apollo Seven]

If you've bought the game, I'd really appreciate you leaving a Steam review if possible. Right now I'm still 3 short from the Steam algorithm picking up the game as not shovelware. It would help me out a lot and the more successful the game is the more resources I can invest in making it better.

EDIT: I managed to reach the review threshold. If you want to leave a review, that'd be cool but it's not important anymore

 

[fetishgirl]

Review for Azar route both NTR and non-NTR paths. I think I found just one bug this time shown here.

Story: I think Safa might be my favorite rival antagonist so far while Kamaal is a more extreme version of what we have already seen before and Tariq brings a unqiue perspective her intentions aren't as obvious and she seems to be hiding more than the other 2 do. For example how did she easily knock Azar to the floor making it clear she could sieze the women with her power whenever she wanted to but she intends to seduce all the other women without relying on whatever her power is. I think its clear at this point that the rivals minus Kamaal have more knowledge of these bracelets than they let on. What exactly are Safa and her other scheming siblings up to? If this leads to a route where rather than a use of force or magic but pure charm, sexual skills and seduction to take the other 3 woman for herself it will lead to a challenging route writing wise but will be a real treat if possible. I certainly would apprecaite an NTR path/route that didn't rely on blackmail for once and NTR with seduction and without abuse of power is pretty rare.

However despite this I think so far the Azar route has been my least favorite out of the Zaman and Vashti routes being included mostly because of the non-NTR route where Azar kind of comes across as a try-hard. It also does not differ enough from the other 5 paths that I have done so far. I will give an examples both Zaman paths involve permanent MtF transformations with different relationship dynamics. Vashti has her seize power for herself with a futa transformation and a purfication in her other path which is the opposite of corruption so its really unique to see a pure romance in the midst of betrayal and policitical intrigue and whether it can survive in the future. Azar's NTR harem path is having the peasant reverse his fate and walk the path of kingship its an intriguing life reversal. While Azar's non NTR path is like a more male dominant version of his romance with Vashti on her path. I just personally feel this path has the least to offer out of the 6 I have played so far.

I feel like there are some missed opportunities with this Azar path. I feel that maybe the failure to seduce Shah should make Azar reconsider what he saw when Omar was with his mother and feel insecure about their future as man so they don't end up like how their father did during that timeline. I think it could either go 2 ways and I know some fans of the first game might like my first suggestion.
1st: Azar going full cuck mode instead of getting with Vashti starts to watch Zaman get it on with Shah and he becomes progressively more cuck-like as the game goes on. I know some people complained at the lack of traditional NTR like there was in the first game I certainly know people in this thread would like a path like that.
2nd: Azar gets in touch with their feminine side which could lead to a deliciously messed up NTR with fem Azar stealing Zaman from Shah and having Safa coach Female Azar into being a seductress like herself.

I am aware this would require extra art and coding. Only make changes to the point it wouldn't mess with the current structure of the game as it wouldn't be worth the burn out on your end. Or forget both suggestions and instead have the non NTR path be a slow burn to feminization for Azar. That way nothing currently out would need to be changed and a slower fall can be more appealing to some compared to Zaman's faster progression. I just feel this path needs something to spice it up a little don't know if others agree with me. Just think of it as some food for thought after seeing how intial reception goes for the game.

Art: I will keep it short this time. Brilliant just as good as the other routes imo it is just nice to see how much great sexual content there is in comparison to the first game.

Sexual Content: I will also try to keep this short as I wrote a lot for the story section.
NTR/Harem path: Fantastic a great 3some towards the end. The dynamic is really interesting and being able to go head to head with an experienced seductress who has years of experience and natural charm vs the bracelet chad Azar is a fun dynamic I can get behind for the future. The progression of Azar's confidence sexually is great as well really enjoyed this path.
Non NTR path: Didn't do enough to stand out for me the sex scenes are good though for those that enjoy male domination but I think both the NTR/harem path for Azar does it better and for romance I would suggest the Vashti non-NTR route. However I think losing to Safa in this path will be far more satisfying at least.
A lot of great potential for the future though with the NTR/harem path. Will Azar seize the throne for himself and use the bracelets power to make Zaman another harem member with Shah at the head of his harem with Safa sucking him off on the throne. Will Safa break Azar and use Vashti's own scheme to take the throne for herself as was already stated in the story her brothers don't see her as a threat due to the nation's structure will she turn it on its head and have a female Azar as her prize along with the other female party members? Or will she be a shadow ruler as Azar leads nation as the king cuck while every female close to him behind closed doors is at Safa's feet while Azar as a cuck will be lucky if he can watch? Lots of possibilities to look forward to in Act 2.

While my least favorite route so far its mostly because the other 2 were just too good. Not because its bad. The only real critcism so far is just the Non NTR path needing more to stand out maybe some here like it but personally I felt it was lacking compared to the other 5. It is definitely a worthy successor to the first even if i miss some stuff from the first game. Now onto the final route which is Shah's route.

 

[raw_meat]

Finally got around to getting and playing act 1, I have only tried the Zaman path. I gotta say it's a very good step up from the first netoria. You've definitely cooked and improved this far beyond the first one. The mechanics are more fleshed out, the story is far far more comprehensive and slow burn despite it having 4 PoV's. and with it more varied CGs too!

 

[Apollo Seven]

Review for Azar route both NTR and non-NTR paths. I think I found just one bug this time shown here. View attachment 5435305

Story: I think Safa might be my favorite rival antagonist so far while Kamaal is a more extreme version of what we have already seen before and Tariq brings a unqiue perspective her intentions aren't as obvious and she seems to be hiding more than the other 2 do. For example how did she easily knock Azar to the floor making it clear she could sieze the women with her power whenever she wanted to but she intends to seduce all the other women without relying on whatever her power is. I think its clear at this point that the rivals minus Kamaal have more knowledge of these bracelets than they let on. What exactly are Safa and her other scheming siblings up to? If this leads to a route where rather than a use of force or magic but pure charm, sexual skills and seduction to take the other 3 woman for herself it will lead to a challenging route writing wise but will be a real treat if possible. I certainly would apprecaite an NTR path/route that didn't rely on blackmail for once and NTR with seduction and without abuse of power is pretty rare.

However despite this I think so far the Azar route has been my least favorite out of the Zaman and Vashti routes being included mostly because of the non-NTR route where Azar kind of comes across as a try-hard. It also does not differ enough from the other 5 paths that I have done so far. I will give an examples both Zaman paths involve permanent MtF transformations with different relationship dynamics. Vashti has her seize power for herself with a futa transformation and a purfication in her other path which is the opposite of corruption so its really unique to see a pure romance in the midst of betrayal and policitical intrigue and whether it can survive in the future. Azar's NTR harem path is having the peasant reverse his fate and walk the path of kingship its an intriguing life reversal. While Azar's non NTR path is like a more male dominant version of his romance with Vashti on her path. I just personally feel this path has the least to offer out of the 6 I have played so far.

I feel like there are some missed opportunities with this Azar path. I feel that maybe the failure to seduce Shah should make Azar reconsider what he saw when Omar was with his mother and feel insecure about their future as man so they don't end up like how their father did during that timeline. I think it could either go 2 ways and I know some fans of the first game might like my first suggestion.
1st: Azar going full cuck mode instead of getting with Vashti starts to watch Zaman get it on with Shah and he becomes progressively more cuck-like as the game goes on. I know some people complained at the lack of traditional NTR like there was in the first game I certainly know people in this thread would like a path like that.
2nd: Azar gets in touch with their feminine side which could lead to a deliciously messed up NTR with fem Azar stealing Zaman from Shah and having Safa coach Female Azar into being a seductress like herself.

I am aware this would require extra art and coding. Only make changes to the point it wouldn't mess with the current structure of the game as it wouldn't be worth the burn out on your end. Or forget both suggestions and instead have the non NTR path be a slow burn to feminization for Azar. That way nothing currently out would need to be changed and a slower fall can be more appealing to some compared to Zaman's faster progression. I just feel this path needs something to spice it up a little don't know if others agree with me. Just think of it as some food for thought after seeing how intial reception goes for the game.

Art: I will keep it short this time. Brilliant just as good as the other routes imo it is just nice to see how much great sexual content there is in comparison to the first game.

Sexual Content: I will also try to keep this short as I wrote a lot for the story section.
NTR/Harem path: Fantastic a great 3some towards the end. The dynamic is really interesting and being able to go head to head with an experienced seductress who has years of experience and natural charm vs the bracelet chad Azar is a fun dynamic I can get behind for the future. The progression of Azar's confidence sexually is great as well really enjoyed this path.
Non NTR path: Didn't do enough to stand out for me the sex scenes are good though for those that enjoy male domination but I think both the NTR/harem path for Azar does it better and for romance I would suggest the Vashti non-NTR route. However I think losing to Safa in this path will be far more satisfying at least.
A lot of great potential for the future though with the NTR/harem path. Will Azar seize the throne for himself and use the bracelets power to make Zaman another harem member with Shah at the head of his harem with Safa sucking him off on the throne. Will Safa break Azar and use Vashti's own scheme to take the throne for herself as was already stated in the story her brothers don't see her as a threat due to the nation's structure will she turn it on its head and have a female Azar as her prize along with the other female party members? Or will she be a shadow ruler as Azar leads nation as the king cuck while every female close to him behind closed doors is at Safa's feet while Azar as a cuck will be lucky if he can watch? Lots of possibilities to look forward to in Act 2.

While my least favorite route so far its mostly because the other 2 were just too good. Not because its bad. The only real critcism so far is just the Non NTR path needing more to stand out maybe some here like it but personally I felt it was lacking compared to the other 5. It is definitely a worthy successor to the first even if i miss some stuff from the first game. Now onto the final route which is Shah's route.

Azar is structured differently from the other 3 (Shah is structured a little differently too but not as much). Basically, to make the Act 2 battle against Safa as free form as I wanted, I needed to devote all the resources for Azar to doing that. So he really only has one route in Act 1 that ends in a different starting position for Act 2.

 

[Merlin2013]

last game has feminization
this game gonna have it too?

 

[Apollo Seven]

last game has feminization
this game gonna have it too?

This game has a lot more gender bending than the first did.

 

[ShadyBlues]

Was there a need to do the choose your protagonist thing? Feel like its going to take 4x more time now. Here's to hoping I don't croak before that.

 

[Apollo Seven]

Was there a need to do the choose your protagonist thing? Feel like its going to take 4x more time now. Here's to hoping I don't croak before that.

This is going to be a more in-depth answer than you're probably wanting, but I like talking about the game so here I go.

When Netoria Tatics 2 was in the early design phase, there were a lot of different ideas for what a sequel could do that would warrant a sequel and do something interesting with the concept. To me, the core idea of Netoria Tactics was the way story direction was determined soley by what you did in combat. The grope system was good enough and liked enough that keeping it around seemed to make lots of sense. But I felt that here wasn't really tons of design space left around it to make the main feature of Netoria 2 "even more gropey!". The features that were really liked in the first game that were under-utilized in the first game in my eyes were the TF aspect and class changes that reacted to the story(Gwen's whore class basically).

The reason the TF stuff was so limited in Netoria 1 was because it's so "reactive". Basically, when it touches any other part of the story it explodes into a headache of having to make scenes with tons of variation in the writing to accomidate for Carwyn being a woman in this scene sometimes. And If I added other TF stuff on top of that, it would just grow exponentially. So the TF content had to go by ghostbusters rules, the streams can never cross. As for story based classes, those could really be added to whatever, but were going to need a lot of resources devoted to them.

There were a lot of ideas I came up with. One of the most prominent was having children from the future join the team halfway through ala Fire Emblem Awakening. The cool thing about this was that it could show the consequences of the NTR pairings in a way that isn't really possible without the time travel. What the child was like would tell you a lot about the relationship and they could talk about what happens in the future between the girl and the bull and whatever. But in the end, the idea I really liked was that of focusing hard on perspectives. NTR as a concept is really all about who's POV you're looking at the relationship through. Every scenerio is netorare from the cuck's perspective and netori from the bull's. So how about a game where you could play as the cuck, as the bull, as the girl, whatever you wanted. And the game would react to this choice and build the narrative around it.

I liked the idea, but it was just another idea, until I realized it completely solved the TF problem. If each TF was specific to one POV then of course they could never interact, having only one at a time is baked into the core narrative structure. And you could have characters have different classes based on their POV and have that different class drive what made the POV different. It all fit together very neatly. So from there, having the main gimmick of the game being a selectable POV that changed the story seemed like the best direction to take. And a lot of really cool stuff developed from it, so I'm very happy with it. Later in the game it will let me make content that's much more divergent than anything in Netoria 1 could have been. It does mean I kind of have to make the game four times towards the end of it, but I'm okay with that. I love all of the POV stories and want to make all of them.

 

[jimmydiddly]

was there going to be any intermittent progress updates to the game? or are we just waiting for full act 2 or full game if we bought on steam?

 

[Apollo Seven]

was there going to be any intermittent progress updates to the game? or are we just waiting for full act 2 or full game if we bought on steam?

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