YetAnotherGamer
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The art style is changing and people are arguing about it, like people do with practically any change. The generators that are currently called AI just throw another wrinkle into it.
For whatever it's worth, I like the simpler style of the older art and thought it fit well for what is (no offense to the developers) a couple of not-so-serious porn games based on cartoon characters. I wonder if they'll continue making two versions of their next game, given that the new art appears to take more work to produce and can't be sold on Steam. My guess is no, but I also liked the initial direction they took with the prequel/spinoff and that was dumped, so what do I know?
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So instead of giving the dev feedback they argue with each other on who's opinion is right, nice, very nice.
It reminds me of the time I got into an argument with someone about the direction of PnC. He didn't like it, and I replied giving him my opinion on the matter, trying to let him know that it isn't all bad, but he took that reply personally and attacked me for no reason. Man I love this community
Perniciousducks
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nobody is arguing about whether the art is good or bad. People state their opinions and move on.
A couple people accused the new art of being AI, to which the dev responded with their evidence that it’s not. Accuser ignored all said evidence and doubled down and everyone else is just dunking on their stupidity.
additionally your anecdote is functionally identical to people not giving the dev feedback
I was talking about the argument part, I know that it is identical to not giving feedback
If you simplify it down to: "AI only copies this style 1 to 1" then you are correct. But AI is trained on many things and throws it all together like fruit salad. Which means.. again.. that you, the loud mouth, are wrong, and my analysis stands.
That wasn't at all the argument. But sure, change the words and therefore the meaning. We call that "misquoting". Or worse. If you don't understand the words you shouldn't put your own interpretation on them. Just shows that you didn't understand it in the first place.
So you argument is: "It exist, therefore it's normal that nearly every AI art looks like this, because the programs are only trained on those art styles". Do you want to log that argument in? Please show me, where I made that argument then.
You people really have just a superficial grasp on the topic yetdeem yourself experts. The Dunning-Kruger-Effect sends it's regards, truely.
Ok before we go to an all-out civil war here on this thread, what is it that makes you so angry to reply to three different people?
Ask them, why they feel the need to go on and on about it with their superficial understanding of the matter and emotional defending behaviour.
If they can't let it be after I already admitted that I may overshot the target, then I will continue until they feel satisfied derailing the thread.Especialy when they change the argument with their wrong interpretation and malicious misquoting of my words in combination with a superficial understanding of the matter, while acting all smug about it.
If they want to heroically want to jump the trench for the Dev, who already did his own more diligently and effective than those manbabies ever did. and fight on, that's their problem.
Then be the better man and don't respond, let it die down, if you already have the upper hand in the matter then it doesn't matter if they continue or not, you already got your points out, and it is up to them to take them or leave them, in the end it is you who won even if you decided to stay silent
can you give a walkthrough for chapter 2? im trying to complete all the quests but i am stuck
a couple: the one before golden tits, the final main quest and one before sultana's fall
These should be straightforward to complete, did you read the dialogue to know what to do?
I just says that it's locked and wont let me see the name i tried looking in the gallery aswell and it just says locked. I am in the end game but i keep extending it to try and complete the quests
I don't see why people would think the art looks like AI, it looks fine to me. But I do agree that I prefer her Disney design.
But maybe I just think that because Tinker Bell was my first, as the kids say, "waifu", so of course I like her like that.
But maybe I just think that because Tinker Bell was my first, as the kids say, "waifu", so of course I like her like that.
Perniciousducks
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I can see that things will have to be spelled out in excruciating detail because thinking for oneself is not a skill you have done much to work on. Lets go through why your arguments are complete trash step by step, and I'll quote your idiotic premises so you can't just fall back on "if you summarize everything I said in a clear and concise manner it makes me sound dumb so that's not what I mean!" (these are sarcasm quotes, I am not directly quoting you here, I don't want you to be confused).
Well, at least we know you saw the post, but lets see if you processed any of the info there...
As we can see, no, you did not address a single thing presented in the info about why this was not AI. There are criticisms to be found there, and I'll get to it eventually, but not from you. Instead, you've focused on what is just generic anime style. This is a style that has been true of every generic anime styled game for 20 years. It's a style so prolific that all of the basic art generators out there mimic it because, again, they were trained on it. None of this is evidence of AI in and of itself. It's enough to make one wonder if it might be until evidence is provided one way or another, but not nearly enough to draw any conclusions from.
I cannot fathom why this would be an odd coincidence. Art based on the same anime style you can find across the internet for the last 2 decades looks similar? WHAT ARE THE ODDS?! I guess 99% is too small a chance to be coincidence.
"Edit the generated picture heavily" And you're accusing me of not knowing how AI works. Dear crap.
I've installed stable diffusion and multiple different loras and messed with AI for fun enough, but I have lots of other exposure to it. I am in no way an expert, but after reading this I feel like one in comparison.
It is entirely possible that a reference images was generated and then used to draw their own version, or even traced... but reference imagery is basically true of any art out there, and I don't think that is particularly a problem (maybe the tracing scenario to some extent.)
Now if you want to properly criticize this as potentially AI, you can throw out all of the very not smart things you listed and actually look for real signs of AI. For example, it's real suspect that none of the drawings of the face in the evidence post have any sort of sketch or structural drawings to view... it's just pasted onto other sketches. If you look at the detail of some of the images posted, the linework has varying levels of quality... some are super fine and others are thick and bulky in ways that I don't think make sense, which is strange. There aren't the usual issues where eyes don't match and obviously we don't have any fingers to count. The positions of the lines make sense, which when they do not is another sign of AI. AI doesn't *know* what it's doing, it doesn't *know* all the lines need to connect, especially internally in am image, it's just using heuristic models, so you get eyes that are different, lines that don't quite connect like they should. It gets pretty easy to spot with practice and exposure to lots of them.
What the evidence post does have, that you did not address and why your follow up arguments are as terrible as they are, is the image editing software that has broken the face into tons of layers. AI doesn't do that, AI spits out a full image, there is some nuance there where you can do lines and then coloring, but you're not going to get the different shade layers and hair lock layers they have separated to a degree I find almost comical. You have to do that on your own, and if you can do that then tracing the AI is basically more work than just draw and coloring on your own.
AI is an awful tool for consistency, so one image will make you question but once the game comes out you'll have multiple images of the same character from different angles and perspectives and you'll be able to tell pretty quickly for certain whether someone is using AI to draw this stuff as the details just won't match, you can see that with any AI game on this site.
Now that you mentioned it, there are a bunch of AI shit scattered around, and tbh it doesn't look like the new drawing of tinker, and I can't see a problem with the new design other than that it is too new to me and that I prefer the old one more, but I guess we'll get used to the new art