Opinions on AI art.

[Angel1984]

Hi.
So i'm wondering what are your opinions on AI genereted art.
Granted there are a handfull of games utilizing the technology in a mindfull manner however i cannot shake the feeling nearly every AI generated game is depraved of.... soul let's say?.
AI tends to be very repetetive.. it's awesome for a YT thumbnail but i really enjoy human made artmuch more.
I cannot possibly be the only one thinking that.
Thoughts?

 

[Deleted member 7357281]

I'm in the same boat AI art is fine but it tends to look very glossy and bright/shiny. I'm an artist and to me it very much has no soul to it. I don't mind when small time devs use it ik most can't afford a good artist. Tho once you're a big company imo you should be using real people to get some nice diverse art.

 

[awk]

I feel exactly the same. Even if the art itself is looking "great" it feels completely bland, soulless. I would also call it generic af since every AI generated picture is kind of looking the same, even if its different. I don't know how to desribe it otherwise.

 

[Lemix]

Real artists should start using it to enhance and duplicate they're own art, when edited properly its just looks great and probably saves alot of time, people complain about it but it will not go away so they should just deal with it imo.

 

[FurryBangTown]

I think AI art is only going to get better as new tools come out and people get more experienced working with it. There are ways to generate a unique and decently consistent style if you have the patience for it. If you spend the time making small edits in something like photoshop it can go a long way into improving results.

 

[Dessolos]

ive yet to play a game with AI art but there are AI art games where ive seen a render or whatever that has gotten be interested to give it a try at some point.

 

[Baronluck]

AI is being in used in places where we don't even recognize, so it's the bad use of AI that stands out to us. I definitely don't like the "AI look", even if a human made it. It's kind of like the asset flip style of game that looks really generic and devoid of human imagination and effort.

 

[anne O'nymous]

[...] i cannot shake the feeling nearly every AI generated game is depraved of.... soul let's say?.

I don't remember where I read this, but someone compared AI generated art to painting like the ones where you see a dolphin jump with the moon in background, and, yeah, I feel the same. Whatever how good and beautiful the art can be, it have this feeling that you already seen it too many time, and that it depict nothing. It's beautiful, and that's all it is.
And it's a limit that will stay for long. AIs don't create, they copy, and it will not change before long, this whatever how much they'll improve. It can be "like [whatever good creator]", or "an average of every creation", but the personal touch that change everything is always missing, and will probably miss forever. Even if AIs achieve to assimilate the concept of feelings, they will still represent it as an average of all the images carrying it, not as something unique, what will always make it feel fake. One don't just need to know what sadness (by example) is, to represent it, it also need to know what it feel, and it's something that AIs are not near to achieve.

 

[Doorknob22]

...every AI generated game is depraved of.... soul

I don't know what "soul" is. A pornographic image is either hot or it's not. There are super hot AI generated images out there and there are mountains of AI horrible garbage.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

depraved of.... soul let's say?.

Lmao this bullshit again?
So then is there 'soul' in Daz? Or is it in Honey Select and other similar digital stuff?
Yet everybody seem to be perfectly fine with using those, no? How odd.

What you peeps feeling are the effects of oversaturation, because even AI has an art style.
So what happens when many projects start using the same art style? Chew on that.

 

[desmosome]

It might sound pretentious, but saying AI art lacks "soul" is a pretty fitting description of it if we are talking about porn. When I look at porn pics, the "soul" I attribute to it is the "story" told through the art. It's hard to tell a story in a single picture. AI art lacks a story, and since it is just making each picture in a vacuum, it cannot tell a coherent story through a series of pictures. The flow will be off, the style will be slightly different, the clothes change a little bit, etc.

I mean, plenty of VNs already use like a single CG with variations per scene, and they make the "story" through text. That works, but in between the scenes are sprites and the different scenes can connect in terms of visuals. It can be done with AI, but there is usually just something that doesn't flow quite as nicely, even though many "AI artists" are getting better that creating this flow on an image set.

When people talk about AI looking the same, it makes no sense to me because the style is completely dependent on what model you are using and your prompts.

 

[anne O'nymous]

When people talk about AI looking the same, it makes no sense to me because the style is completely dependent on what model you are using and your prompts.

Reason why, personally, I describe it as "feeling like already seen". It's not that all AI generated images looks the same, but they don't have that little something that make them stand out, or even look a bit different, when put in the middle of similar images.

Yes, like some said, the same can be found with half 3D renders. But with them there's still the other half, that isn't out of the box rendered with default settings, and then carry at least a little something that follow the game/story atmosphere. This create what is missing in games with AI arts, a feeling of unity from starts to stop of the game.

 

[Angel1984]

I don't know what "soul" is. A pornographic image is either hot or it's not. There are super hot AI generated images out there and there are mountains of AI horrible garbage.

Well on that i strongly disagree.
for hot i can and do visit PornHub. I kind of migrated here from common gaming for indie jewels. Porn is only an addon.

Lmao this bullshit again?
So then is there 'soul' in Daz? Or is it in Honey Select and other similar digital stuff?
Yet everybody seem to be perfectly fine with using those, no? How odd.

What you peeps feeling are the effects of oversaturation, because even AI has an art style.
So what happens when many projects start using the same art style? Chew on that.

no... there is no soul in daz renders. Yet theese can be somewhat manipulated. As someone mentioned before AI is generated out of context and does'nt tell a story. This in my opinion is a perfect description of why AI sucks while DAZ only kinda sucks.

 

[Zardoz23]

There's been a lot of discussion on this topic already. So much so I don't think a stickied thread would be out of place. Here's my post on AI art in a different thread. But there are several other threads OP might want to look into. Just use the search function for "AI Art" and check the box for thread titles only.

 

[Crimson Delight Games]

So i'm wondering what are your opinions on AI genereted art.

Personally I'm indifferent to it, but some people seem to be for/against it very strongly.

Thing is, the genie's out of the bottle - there's no going back now. Soon AI will become so powerful it'll be impossible to tell what's AI art and what was painted by a human. There's already short animated clips on YouTube created with AI. Imagine what we'll have in 5 years. Hollywood is going to have to fight pretty hard to stay relevant when every hobbyist in their basement can put together a feature film using AI video generation. Same thing for the gaming industry, there's already creation suites popping up that promise to automate away coding (

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Things are gonna get wild for sure.

 

[anne O'nymous]

I have nothing against you, but oh god ! What is this horror ?

Having seen digital art debuts, having witnessed what was seen as "marvelous" 3D movies in the 80's/90's, I never thought that a digital creation could sent me to the uncanny valley. Yet you came, shown that movie, and proved me wrong.
Seriously, the worse actor you can imagine still have a more living acting than those AI creations. It feel like I'm looking at robots that can't even interpret their instructions in real time.

 

[Crimson Delight Games]

I have nothing against you, but oh god ! What is this horror ?

It's a preview of things to come. Sure it's wonky now, but I posted it to illustrate where AI is going.

Extrapolate it 5 years into the future and almost anyone will be able to create feature-length films from home.

 

[Zardoz23]

I have nothing against you, but oh god ! What is this horror ?

Having seen digital art debuts, having witnessed what was seen as "marvelous" 3D movies in the 80's/90's, I never thought that a digital creation could sent me to the uncanny valley. Yet you came, shown that movie, and proved me wrong.
Seriously, the worse actor you can imagine still have a more living acting than those AI creations. It feel like I'm looking at robots that can't even interpret their instructions in real time.

I'm a connoisseur of terrible cinema. So I have seen a LOT of bad acting. I could go on and on about this topic but perhaps I should just share a taste of it. Please note the clip you are about to see is 100% an attempt at a serious film. This is not parody. The man in this scene, the writer/director/star of the movie, is acting his heart out.

 

[anne O'nymous]

Extrapolate it 5 years into the future and almost anyone will be able to create feature-length films from home.

Don't take me wrong, but this make me laugh. It's been 30 years or so that I hear this, and so far even the oldest predictions are still to come.
Of course, AI have done a lot of progress those last ten years, but they still continue, and will continue for a long time unless someone is about to release a revolutionary algorithm, to be mimic creators. By the way, the name is misleading, there's no Artificial Intelligence available, we only have Artificial Knowledge Compilation Processors. It's already amazing, especially for an old folk like me, but it's also far to be what youngsters see in them.

Meanwhile, right now anyone is already able to create full length movies from home. And it's not something new. In 1999

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was shot with an initial budget around US$ 60,000.
Nowadays,

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, among others, have been entirely shoot with an iPhone; the second with many high tech extensions, the first with only one extension for wide shoots.
There's no need for AI to do high quality creation from home and with a low budget. The technology is already here, and there's people who have the ideas and the talent to use them correctly.
What AIs will, perhaps, permit one day is just for talentless people who have no real idea, to also be able to create something from home. And I'm really not sure that this can be seen as a progress.

 

[Zardoz23]

Don't take me wrong, but this make me laugh. It's been 30 years or so that I hear this, and so far even the oldest predictions are still to come.
Of course, AI have done a lot of progress those last ten years, but they still continue, and will continue for a long time unless someone is about to release a revolutionary algorithm, to be mimic creators. By the way, the name is misleading, there's no Artificial Intelligence available, we only have Artificial Knowledge Compilation Processors. It's already amazing, especially for an old folk like me, but it's also far to be what youngsters see in them.

I'm an old fogey too but I think we need to remember how technology accelerates (or at least appears to). You're right in that people have been making bold claims about AI and technology for decades and how most of the progress has only been in recent memory. But if the trend continues the next 10 years of advancement will make the last 30 look slow.

Meanwhile, right now anyone is already able to create full length movies from home. And it's not something new. In 1999

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was shot with an initial budget around US$ 60,000.
Nowadays,

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and

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, among others, have been entirely shoot with an iPhone; the second with many high tech extensions, the first with only one extension for wide shoots.
There's no need for AI to do high quality creation from home and with a low budget. The technology is already here, and there's people who have the ideas and the talent to use them correctly.
What AIs will, perhaps, permit one day is just for talentless people who have no real idea, to also be able to create something from home. And I'm really not sure that this can be seen as a progress.

Eh. It's just a tool like any other. A craftsman might have the finest tools available to their profession but the end result depends entirely on their ability to use them.

Here's an example: