optional ntr? what?

[Colombiana]

if I understand it well ntr is when someone else appears and steals your love interest inevitably, right?

but if it's optional then it's not ntr, it's just cheating or cucking optional, ntr can't be optional.

or is it that I do not understand well what is ntr?

 

[redknight00]

The inevitable is not necessarily part of the deal, as a example a game that has split paths and one leads ntr would be considered optional.

 

[DarthSeduction]

Really, the thing that matters is that the Netori (the one stealing) has to completely take the affection or loyalty of the betraying partner away from the "victim". My words are a little more moralized than some people like, but that's the basic premise. Note, I say or loyalty, because not all NTR involves a romantic relationship. Your best friend can be stolen by a netori, your mom can be stolen by a netori, your sister can be stolen by a netori, the latter two, with no incest involved.

When a game has optional NTR one of two things has happened. In the first option, the dev has made it so that if you don't make certain choices, the Netori will never come into play in the first place, or there is an option in the game to turn it off completely. An example of this is My Girlfriend's Amnesia, in which it has a menu option. I haven't played enough NTR games to point out one where making the wrong choices brings a Netori into your life, but suffice it to say, in these cases, once the Netori is there it's unavoidable.

In the other option, the fact that F95 is trying so hard to keep the Tags down to a manageable amount causes certain games that don't have what I described above at all. But, it has cheating or adultry or other scenarios wherein the heroine might have sex with someone other than the MC. A good example of this is Babysitter, in which, if you DON'T stop these things from happening, either by not pursuing Christine, or worse, by pushing her toward them, she might end up being courted by either Robert or Silver. In this game, because of the way that these situations are presented, it's always your fault if she ends up with them. For Silver you have to not warn her, and then not stay with her at the hotel to protect her, and then still not be there for her. For Robert, you have to not dance with her, then let Robert into your house, and then not pursue her. All of these are optional, and if you take those options you don't get to claim NTR, because you never had her loyalty to begin with.

 

[Avaron1974]

if I understand it well ntr is when someone else appears and steals your love interest inevitably, right?

but if it's optional then it's not ntr, it's just cheating or cucking optional, ntr can't be optional.

or is it that I do not understand well what is ntr?

The optional part is to stop it happening at all. For example NTR only happens if you don't treat her right or ignore her then other men take advantage. If you treat her right and spend time with her no other men get involved.

Example in My Girlfriends Amnesia. If he acts like a gentleman and treats her right then apart from that one elevator scene no other men go near the girlfriend. If he cheats and ignores her she will be raped and/or cheat on him.

 

[DarthSeduction]

The optional part is to stop it happening at all. For example NTR only happens if you don't treat her right or ignore her then other men take advantage. If you treat her right and spend time with her no other men get involved.

Example in My Girlfriends Amnesia. If he acts like a gentleman and treats her right then apart from that one elevator scene no other men go near the girlfriend. If he cheats and ignores her she will be raped and/or cheat on him.

Usually, the person who's partner is being stolen is not at fault. I know that NTR people consider MGA NTR, and since I never finished it I can't say definitively that it isn't, but generally speaking, the one losing their girl is an innocent victim of a netori. This comes a lot from the fact that you and your partner need to have a bond of trust, if that doesn't exist, there's no affection to be stolen, because you betrayed it. In fact, it's actually realistic to think of the girlfreind's sister as a Netori in her own right, trying to take you away, or her sister.

 

[Avaron1974]

Usually, the person who's partner is being stolen is not at fault. I know that NTR people consider MGA NTR, and since I never finished it I can't say definitively that it isn't, but generally speaking, the one losing their girl is an innocent victim of a netori. This comes a lot from the fact that you and your partner need to have a bond of trust, if that doesn't exist, there's no affection to be stolen, because you betrayed it. In fact, it's actually realistic to think of the girlfreind's sister as a Netori in her own right, trying to take you away, or her sister.

If the victim is innocent then Japan has been getting it wrong for years. Usually in the NTR stories told it's a wife left at home for long periods while the husband works away and neglects her. Husband has debts, wife gets blackmailed to pay with her body.

Ever notice in a lot of those hentai movies that when a guy goes to fuck one of those so called "happily married" women, they never fight them off. Sure they say no and argue but still bend over and take it.

Then again they also depict an orgasm as a way to mind break women.

 

[DarthSeduction]

If the victim is innocent then Japan has been getting it wrong for years. Usually in the NTR stories told it's a wife left at home for long periods while the husband works away and neglects her. Husband has debts, wife gets blackmailed to pay with her body.

Ever notice in a lot of those hentai movies that when a guy goes to fuck one of those so called "happily married" women, they never fight them off. Sure they say no and argue but still bend over and take it.

Then again they also depict an orgasm as a way to mind break women.

Well, they never fight them off because it's porn and people find willing victims hot, so, that's not a real point. Furthermore, what you're describing there is adultery. NTR has to have a break in the bond, the stolen affection. If there was no affection there was no NTR. If anything, in that scenario, the Netori is the husband's job, and it was his affection stolen.

 

[berndsen]

If the victim is innocent then Japan has been getting it wrong for years. Usually in the NTR stories told it's a wife left at home for long periods while the husband works away and neglects her. Husband has debts, wife gets blackmailed to pay with her body.

Ever notice in a lot of those hentai movies that when a guy goes to fuck one of those so called "happily married" women, they never fight them off. Sure they say no and argue but still bend over and take it.

Then again they also depict an orgasm as a way to mind break women.

The "husband has to go on a business trip for a long time" premise is usually not his fault though. It's often the case in these kind of stories that it was the boss sending the hubby on a long trip to swoop in and get into the wife's panties. As for the debt premise, that can also be written in a way that the couple appears to be a victim of circumstances, a bad economic situation led them to get a loan from the wrong people, shit happens. "Bad Boss" and "Bad Loan" tend to be the two more plausible NTR scenarios imo.

 

[thecardinal]

I call the ntr in my game 'optional', but only because it happens based on player decisions. The girlfriend has a roleplaying fantasy, and if you play along with her, it could lead to something whether you like it or not.

 

[User_17502]

I call the ntr in my game 'optional', but only because it happens based on player decisions. The girlfriend has a roleplaying fantasy, and if you play along with her, it could lead to something whether you like it or not.

This next update will actually be pushing those boundaries. So far my ntr storyline has been a set up for the players.
Now they get to decide if they want to allow the mc the possibility to fight and win. Or if they jsut want to enjoy watching the mc get ntrd over and over while he struggles fruitlessly. I couldnt find a game which allowed the player to win against the NTR so I made it myself

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[Steve Carter]

This next update will actually be pushing those boundaries. So far my ntr storyline has been a set up for the players.
Now they get to decide if they want to allow the mc the possibility to fight and win. Or if they jsut want to enjoy watching the mc get ntrd over and over while he struggles fruitlessly. I couldnt find a game which allowed the player to win against the NTR so I made it myself

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I like the idea of there always being a chance to "win" against the NTR and as a huge NTR fan I'd still like to play games where the winning condition is to avoid the NTR.

I remember playing a game called Anna from Chaotic's VDategames site. The game itself was nothing special, but what it prided itself on was its difficulty. There was no NTR or anything like that, it was just ask a girl who just moved into your building on a date and try to fuck her on the first date. What made it difficult was that it wasn't about picking the best response that got you the most points. I'm not 100% sure on this but from playing the game this is how I felt it played, but if the girl liked you too much, then you are potential boyfriend material and she won't fuck you on the first date. You have to manage it so that she liked you enough to want to fuck you, but not too much where she thought you could be a potential boyfriend and will hold off on the sex. I think NTR games would benefit from incorporating this style of game. where you have to keep a balance. If you're nice but not too nice yet also assertive but not so much that you're an asshole then you can avoid the NTR. Those conditions can be razor thin so where you are probably going to be cucked, there still is a chance you can avoid it. That way you can keep playing the game trying to "win the game", but not get really frustrated if you lose.

 

[W65]

It's kind of an interesting meta-game discussion. Usually optional content is optional because it's a thing that a bunch of folks might not want to hang around with: furry, scat, whatever. Now, from my time on this board it's clear that some people have very strong feelings (both ways) about NTR. But there does seem to be an agency diminishment component involved in NTR content. While it's not required to be an inevitable thing, I don't think, it's sorta logical that the victim character would stop things if they could. I guess a lot of players identify with the victim to some degree, or maybe just don't like the outcome becoming uncontrollable.

It puts me in mind of games where the player loses in-story even if they play the game perfectly. They've won the game in the sense of making the right decisions in play, accomplishing all the objectives, or whatever. The result, though, feels like a loss because the outcome isn't what they wanted. In NTR porn game land, that would be giving the non-victim no reason to abandon the victim (be the perfect, ideal partner, making all the right choices, whatever) and then still having the non-victim decide to abandon the relationship anyhow. Of course, the folks who clamor for reality in games should be happy with the realistic nature of an outcome like that, because in reality there really isn't a perfect series of choices guaranteed to win someone over or keep them satisfied.

Really, a video game with all the ambiguity inherent in most real-life relationships would probably be pretty frustrating. You'd be making choices and not necessarily having any useful idea of how they are affecting the story. Then again, maybe visual novels are better at this than I think they are, and that ambiguity is not only present in good VNs but really is something that players (readers?) of VNs appreciate.

Anyway, it kinda gets at the interaction between story and gameplay inherent in video gaming, and the question of what makes for a good story: topics I'm really not qualified to discuss.

 

[User_17502]

I like the idea of there always being a chance to "win" against the NTR and as a huge NTR fan I'd still like to play games where the winning condition is to avoid the NTR.

I remember playing a game called Anna from Chaotic's VDategames site. The game itself was nothing special, but what it prided itself on was its difficulty. There was no NTR or anything like that, it was just ask a girl who just moved into your building on a date and try to fuck her on the first date. What made it difficult was that it wasn't about picking the best response that got you the most points. I'm not 100% sure on this but from playing the game this is how I felt it played, but if the girl liked you too much, then you are potential boyfriend material and she won't fuck you on the first date. You have to manage it so that she liked you enough to want to fuck you, but not too much where she thought you could be a potential boyfriend and will hold off on the sex. I think NTR games would benefit from incorporating this style of game. where you have to keep a balance. If you're nice but not too nice yet also assertive but not so much that you're an asshole then you can avoid the NTR. Those conditions can be razor thin so where you are probably going to be cucked, there still is a chance you can avoid it. That way you can keep playing the game trying to "win the game", but not get really frustrated if you lose.

I want to implement this type of gameplay into Culture Shock. It's a lot more complex than I realized but I am trying my damndest to to make it possible. I really want the player to feel like they can control their destiny if they choose the right options. But also that there is a worthwhile antagonist that does more than just "steal yo girl". It's kinda hard to implement but I think I am on the right track.

 

[Steve Carter]

I want to implement this type of gameplay into Culture Shock. It's a lot more complex than I realized but I am trying my damndest to to make it possible. I really want the player to feel like they can control their destiny if they choose the right options. But also that there is a worthwhile antagonist that does more than just "steal yo girl". It's kinda hard to implement but I think I am on the right track.

I've played Culture Shock and I remember enjoying it. I think you may be on the right track.

I've always loved Date Ariane's game mechanic. Basically you had four meters, smart, sexy, funny and nice. Dialogue options determined if a point goes into any one of those meters. You started at 0 points and if you got more than 4 points in any one meter you'd get a game over for being either too much of a smarty pants, too horny, not serious enough or just too much of a nice guy. There were also different paths through the game depending on those stats. You could go through the game with 4 sexy points and no nice points and still get a good ending if you pick a particular path for example. I've always thought you could do that in a game with multiple love interests and change the tolerances for each love interest depending on their personality. Someone may want someone smarter, so they would have a tolerance for 5 or 6 points but doesn't have much of a sense of humor so the tolerance for that is 2 or 3 points for example. Dialogue choices may also have negative effects, so a choice may increase funny but decrease sexy for example, so you could either go too low or too high to bust tolerances. In an NTR game, you wouldn't get a game over when you bust tolerances, it would just put you at risk of being cucked (basically the game would flag you as "cucked", and if you are flagged as cucked during certain parts of the game it would trigger NTR scenes). When a tolerance is busted it may trigger a scene where your girlfriend starts flirting with someone else, or commenting how sexy another man is or something. You'd have a chance to try to correct the situation and if you can, you'd get back on the non cuck path, and if you didn't, there would be more and more scenes on the cuck path until you eventually get cucked. If you had multiple antagonists, which tolerances you bust may determine which antagonists you get cucked by. If there are multiple love interests, you may have to give up points with one to get points with another, so managing multiple relationships without getting cucked may be a challenge.

 

[Silver]

According to urban dictionary NTR means

Japanese acronym for Netorare, used to define a genre of Eroge (Hentai Game), meaning "Cuckold". In short, the main protagonist's loved one(s) are taken or seduced away from him and the heroine might be willing or unwilling. This is to cause an emotion of deep jealousy on the reader.

, and it has 5332 likes, meaning a vast number of people agree with this definition.

So it doesn't matter whether the player agrees with it or not, the one who taken away your loved one being a man or a woman. The only conditions are the seduced/taken away one should be a heroine, player must be a guy, and heroine is either willingly or unwillingly. So this can include STAG relationships as well, meaning the player shares their loved one with another guy or woman, and the player is cuckolded by their female partner, and the player is aware of it. It doesn't have to be cheating always. NTR is basically the opposite of harem genre, which hypocritically majority of people embrace, while complaining about NTR.

 

[baneini]

It's a standard technique for people wishing to diminish the value of a game thread to use "is ntr optional" as one of the phrases to derail the discussion.
First you make a bunch of throwaway accounts, wait for a new game thread with ntr tag to appear, quickly fill it up zero value anti-ntr posts that could apply to any game (never play the game before commenting), reply to other posts of that vein with for eg "I agree blah blah" and soon 50% of the thread is unreadable garbage leading to people not bother to follow it or continue discussion about the game itself.

The phrase itself doesn't have to mean anything concrete.

 

[Deleted member 229118]

Ntr is miss interpreted as your victems to be having sex with other guys.
Even if said guy is her husband.

I think some games to optional ntr quiet well.
Like tyrant where in order to get ntr you need to have a negative relationship value.
Having it as a "lose" conditation works quiet well.
I do like to have challange's in my games(even porn games) and having ntr as a lose condition is one suchs a challange.
Likewise in tyrant you can have ntr on and still have your charater dislike it.

 

[grtrader]

Usually, the person who's partner is being stolen is not at fault. I know that NTR people consider MGA NTR, and since I never finished it I can't say definitively that it isn't, but generally speaking, the one losing their girl is an innocent victim of a netori. This comes a lot from the fact that you and your partner need to have a bond of trust, if that doesn't exist, there's no affection to be stolen, because you betrayed it. In fact, it's actually realistic to think of the girlfreind's sister as a Netori in her own right, trying to take you away, or her sister.

NTR may or may not be the person's fault. Take the innocent child who's mom is stolen away they certainly have no control over the situation. So innocent.

However, take the supposed hard working husband who spends countless hours trying to earn money comes home finds his wife ran off with another man. You can't really say he isn't at fault. While yes he may have been trying to provide for his family and the wife may be a shit bag for running out. The man isn't faultless. He clearly hadn't put his family and wife first or did so in the wrong way. Yea, life doesn't come with an instruction book and is messy but that's an easy one. Pay attention at home. His wife may or may not have voiced the issues and he may or may not have payed attention. Even so if he had been paying attention at home should have seen signs of issues. The one thing I can tell you is sticking at a job that you don't have time for family always leads to issues at home. You are better off taking a job that pays less living with less or moving as long as you get that time at home.

I'm 50 I've heard shit loads of friends bitch about loosing girls even stole a few my self. I can tell you this 99% of the time the guy is at fault one way or another. Personality such as asshole or abusive...., works to much, girl grows out of him for something like lack of education, he's overly dependent on her.... Long as list.

Don't get me wrong the women aren't innocent in the least either. They wouldn't get picked up on if they didn't allow it. If they weren't looking to cheat....

The reverse is true. Were men get stolen by other women.

When it comes to adult relationships less than 1% of NTR is no one's fault. Those situations usually involve gangs, kidnapping... that doesn't happen that often.