VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12.3 FULL] [Eva Kiss]

[ffive]

I'd rather have ORS characters have unique arcs that are based on their circumstances for example Jeremy or Mark realising they're not built for a player lifestyle and becoming better people. It would be similar to Jack's arc, but not one to one.

I wouldn't exactly call realizing one is a failure as a playboy so they give up on it "becoming better people". Becoming better would be giving up on something they can have but choose not to follow. But the bigger problem here is that these guys already shown themselves to be pretty shitty. It's a tall order to require for the player to stick with them in hope they get better, it reeks of the "i can fix them" which is absolutely not unique and you could easily argue GGGB had its fair share of it, too (hi, Jess)

Right now Lena has barely any good romances. Ian and Holly, that's it. Before Mike was a maybe, but with the epilogue he has shown that to him Lena is just another hoe. The reason is definitely not because a lack of options, Mike, Robert, Stan, Jeremy, Axel all have had 11 chapters to become decent but Eva chose not to focus on that. Coming in at the final hour with a recycled romance would be pretty shitty ngl.

Technically it'd be in the final third of the game, not the final hour. So i feel it'd be quite ok if it's introduced at this point. I think quite a few VNs have such come-late character, for people who found themselves not liking the flavor of early options. Personally i like it if the game doesn't dump everyone on the player upfront, because front-loading creates this sense of static afterwards, with no new developments.

 

[monk_56]

Moo.

Hasn't the tracing things been an issue for many updates? It used to be just Ian who was getting copy pasted scene content with the other wimpier men though. Minor character that he is . Ian got copied content with Robert / Mike / Mark quite often historically. But, now she is copying the other minor characters- OH NOES!

It does kinda feel like Eva is just low-key over the project and nose diving to the finish line though. Maybe she wants to start something new. Her player base isn't interested in the stuff she spent a ton of time working on writing- they just want their BBC content ect. She sounded so fucking over it when she was talking about the poll results for Mr. Bouncer vs Grandpa non-con manipulator.

It is kinda nuts how long she is dragging out some plots that have enough development like Holly/Lena/Ian or Ian/Ivy when she just throws out other shit that had zero build up ad hoc as fan-service like it makes even a modicum of sense in the story she has developed. It feels slash and burn.

 

[fatpussy123]

Slut Lena can blow Jeremy, bang Axel/Jack i, and go home with Mark all in the same night. Talk to me when Ivy does something similar.

 

[Tony Redgrave]

Since everyone is talking about the lack of good LIs for Lena - I feel like some of that is also due to the lack of dynamics in the 'relationship'. With Ian there is potential for different kinds of relationships, even a bit of a switch relationship since this chapter, where Lena can tease Ian and tell him he likes her being mean, but then Ian can turn it around and be rough with her, choke her and make her cum, and be in charge.

With other characters Lena is always just calling herself a 'slut' in inner dialogue and likes 'to be used' and generally is always looking to please.

I want my Lena to have sex with different characters, that's why I think the open relationship is handled poorly, but right now it feels like if I want to see a sex scene with Lena and a man other than Ian I have to make her act completely unlike I play her and envision her for the rest of the game. If Lena can tell Axel, Robert and Seymour to fuck off and stand on her own two feet, she should be able to have sex with men and take charge and be in control in those encounters, even when she likes it to be different with Ian, who is someone she feels she can trust.

And I know there are some qualities in her that are outside of our control and determined by her backstory and so on, but if those factors are that unavoidable other choices don't make sense to me.

Basically I'm mad, because I wanted her to have sex at the club in a way that made sense, and without her becoming completely devoid of agency as soon as a man has sex with her, and I had the (obviously unrealistic) wish of Lena just domming everyone but Ian

 

[ffive]

Slut Lena can blow Jeremy, bang Axel/Jack i, and go home with Mark all in the same night. Talk to me when Ivy does something similar.

For Ivy, that's Tuesday.

(she just doesn't advertise it)

 

[fatpussy123]

I wouldn't exactly call realizing one is a failure as a playboy so they give up on it "becoming better people". Becoming better would be giving up on something they can have but choose not to follow. But the bigger problem here is that these guys already shown themselves to be pretty shitty. It's a tall order to require for the player to stick with them in hope they get better, it reeks of the "i can fix them" which is absolutely not unique and you could easily argue GGGB had its fair share of it, too (hi, Jess)


Technically it'd be in the final third of the game, not the final hour. So i feel it'd be quite ok if it's introduced at this point. I think quite a few VNs have such come-late character, for people who found themselves not liking the flavor of early options. Personally i like it if the game doesn't dump everyone on the player upfront, because front-loading creates this sense of static afterwards, with no new developments.

Again if we want new options for the late game, why do they all have to be from GGGB. With Mark and now Jack it feels like a sitcom with guest characters, all its missing is live audience cheering in the background. I'd rather the existing options get beefed up.

The order in which I'd prefer fixes to the male mcs:
-Fix the current ones
-add new ones
-continue how the game has previously handled them
-do what is suggested with Jack

 

[ffive]

Again if we want new options for the late game, why do they all have to be from GGGB.

But they aren't. The epilogue introduced three new characters, two guys and one girl, and Lena can flirt with either and every of them. Only one of these characters is from GGGB and yet he's the one everyone talks about. If anything, this can only reinforce it for EK that despite all the complaints bringing the old cast back is the way to go.

 

[fatpussy123]

But they aren't. The epilogue introduced three new characters, two guys and one girl, and Lena can flirt with either and every of them. Only one of these characters is from GGGB and yet he's the one everyone talks about. If anything, this can only reinforce it for EK that despite all the complaints bringing the old cast back is the way to go.

I was under the impression that those were cameos since Eva mentioned there being a lot of cameos in the epilogue. If they are more than that great. Id especially like to see more of the Eli girl. She seems to give Jeremy the cold shoulder but is responsive to Lenas flirting, maybe finally a purely lesbian character?

 

[| Vee |]

But they aren't. The epilogue introduced three new characters, two guys and one girl, and Lena can flirt with either and every of them. Only one of these characters is from GGGB and yet he's the one everyone talks about. If anything, this can only reinforce it for EK that despite all the complaints bringing the old cast back is the way to go.

Didn't this look like she is bringing GGGB audience to ORS when both were(not anymore) completely different in dynamics and story elements? Designing a new character shouldn't be much of a problem as she designed 3 new characters for Epilogue of course it would've taken more time.

 

[ffive]

PilotLara afraid the fix for the boutique kind of blew up sideways -- if you visit the mall with Emma then trying to go there after you're done shopping now produces a crash:

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "renpy/common/000statements.rpy", line 604, in execute_call_screen
    args, kwargs = a.evaluate()
  File "game/scripts/story/chapter_11_epilogue.rpy", line 1156, in <module>
NameError: name 'v11boutique' is not defined

I'm guessing the path with Lena going alone will work, though i haven't tried it. Though probably worth to keep in mind, calling ch.10 routine while on the date with Emma might cut off the latter part of the date, with visiting sex toy shop etc.

 

[PilotLara]

PilotLara afraid the fix for the boutique kind of blew up sideways -- if you visit the mall with Emma then trying to go there after you're done shopping now produces a crash:

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "renpy/common/000statements.rpy", line 604, in execute_call_screen
    args, kwargs = a.evaluate()
  File "game/scripts/story/chapter_11_epilogue.rpy", line 1156, in <module>
NameError: name 'v11boutique' is not defined

I'm guessing the path with Lena going alone will work, though i haven't tried it.

Yep, got the same report on Discord. I missed the part where you can visit with the boutique with Emma. Just fixed it

 

[Xupuzulla]

Her player base isn't interested in the stuff she spent a ton of time working on writing- they just want their BBC content ect. She sounded so fucking over it when she was talking about the poll results for Mr. Bouncer vs Grandpa non-con manipulator.

EK is such a weird dev,her giving so much content to Robert and Seymour never made sense for example.
Is like she never understood or cared about her patreons wanted till now wich is bringing this weird shift of BBC and GGGB content.

 

[JoJoPool]

After replaying the epilogue i think it would have been much better if it was Jeremy who caught Lena and Axel in the toilet, It would be interesting to see if he would snitch on Lena or keep it a secret from Ian , and what if Lena fucked both Jeremy and Axel, That will definitely create some tension.

 

[Deleted member 6014524]

jack is so boring tbh

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[Gladheim]

Spoiler: Not a fan of these two together. I really don't want Jack to appear again...

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I dont like him, and I dont like Lena cheating on Ian with other dudes xD

 

[Socrambus]

After replaying the epilogue i think it would have been much better if it was Jeremy who caught Lena and Axel in the toilet, It would be interesting to see if he would snitch on Lena or keep it a secret from Ian , and what if Lena fucked both Jeremy and Axel, That will definitely create some tension.

You get than situation with Marcel and I bet he will continue to be the worst bro ever and will tell Ian nothing.

 

[fatpussy123]

So according to the gallery there is a path where Lena has not cheated on Ian, but can cheat with Jack, but when I checked the requirements for her to call him hot and progress that path either no couple route or cheating route need to be active. So in other words Lena going from faithful to cheating with Jack seems to only be accessible in the gallery. Am I missing something?

 

[| Vee |]

You get than situation with Marcel and I bet he will continue to be the worst bro ever and will tell Ian nothing.

Fucking Opportunist! I bet if Jeremy had a chance with Cindy he would've jumped on her. Fucker said "I don't ever steal in friend's house". Fucking Hypocrites are what Ian had to deal with(shaking my head).

 

[| Vee |]

So according to the gallery there is a path where Lena has not cheated on Ian, but can cheat with Jack, but when I checked the requirements for her to call him hot and progress that path either no couple route or cheating route need to be active. So in other words Lena going from faithful to cheating with Jack seems to only be accessible in the gallery. Am I missing something?

That exactly right. Gallery is a bit weird. i don't play scenes in gallery but only check which scenes are in-game.

 

[ffive]

You get than situation with Marcel and I bet he will continue to be the worst bro ever and will tell Ian nothing.

Or, from point of view of cheating Lena, the best bro ever