VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12.3 FULL] [Eva Kiss]

[Gicoo]

Eva did capture the turmoil of a broken heart getting into a relationship again; beautifully.

In the first chapters absolutely, the introspection of Ian and Lenas inability to move on and how they hesitate going for a new partner while their environment pushes them to do so is done delicately. It emphasizes Evas first original vision, two lost souls coming together.
Over the course of the game, this theme is extremely muddled if not removed by all the porn. I'm far from being against the latter butthe greatest dissonance of the game is Ian and Lena being those fragile hurtful souls... and then having the ability to fuck every person in their vicinity with glee and zero remorse. You have Ian slowly healing from Gillian, someone who even occasionale appears in the game through photos and dreams, and then have him doing the exact same Gillian and her affair did by fucking Cindy. Now, being cheated on doesn't disqualify you as a potential cheater yourself, heck you can give them the impetus because they were cheated themselves, but I lose very fast any sympathy and relatability if he casually fucks Minerva or Alison while having a sweet romance with Holly or good Lena, shitting on his partners and the partners of his affair (Wade, Minervas husband). Its good on the fetish side since I love girls stealing from other girls, but for the narrative and character development its trash. The same applies with Lena who loathes Cherry and Axel, yet does the same if not worse by fucking Mike and being very expressive and gleefull about how she is superior to his girl.

Maybe you can't have it both and porn and plot doesn't match? Maybe Eva had a serious story in mind but their audience demands and pays for porn so Eva quickly drifted back in the old, easier to gratifying way?

 

[SagePage]

Axel needs an acid drum bath, I heard it's quite relaxing and refreshing. Why the fuck do we even have a path for that degen for Lena?

Honestly I feel that for a lot of Lena's options. It's mostly a collection of cheaters, losers and creeps.

 

[Blurpee69]

Honestly I feel that for a lot of Lena's options. It's mostly a collection of cheaters, losers and creeps.

Pretty much the entire male cast is what you just described, yes. It's been one of the longest running complaints about this game.

 

[Gicoo]

Pretty much the entire male cast is what you just described, yes. It's been one of the longest running complaints about this game.

Yes.
GGGB got Dave, Eric usually redeems himself. The boss got a wholesome route. Dad was fucked up by design but technically wholesome. Even scumbag Jack could be purified. There is no chance that Axel, Robert or Mike are willing to change their ways and turn out aus good as Jack could.
Even some casual hookups like Doug or Mark weren't scum.

And GGGB was the game in which you could date murderers and rapists.

 

[MF_DOOM]

Yes.
GGGB got Dave, Eric usually redeems himself. The boss got a wholesome route. Dad was fucked up by design but technically wholesome. Even scumbag Jack could be purified. There is no chance that Axel, Robert or Mike are willing to change their ways and turn out aus good as Jack could.
Even some casual hookups like Doug or Mark weren't scum.

And GGGB was the game in which you could date murderers and rapists.

Even Tyron could be a big softie in the end.

 

[Chartog]

Marcel needs another good result so HOLLY CAN FINALLY GET THE BLACK PIPE!

There is already foreshadowing for Holly with Marcel. She will be throttled by Marcel at some point

 

[tbs9090]

In the first chapters absolutely, the introspection of Ian and Lenas inability to move on and how they hesitate going for a new partner while their environment pushes them to do so is done delicately. It emphasizes Evas first original vision, two lost souls coming together.
Over the course of the game, this theme is extremely muddled if not removed by all the porn. I'm far from being against the latter butthe greatest dissonance of the game is Ian and Lena being those fragile hurtful souls... and then having the ability to fuck every person in their vicinity with glee and zero remorse. You have Ian slowly healing from Gillian, someone who even occasionale appears in the game through photos and dreams, and then have him doing the exact same Gillian and her affair did by fucking Cindy. Now, being cheated on doesn't disqualify you as a potential cheater yourself, heck you can give them the impetus because they were cheated themselves, but I lose very fast any sympathy and relatability if he casually fucks Minerva or Alison while having a sweet romance with Holly or good Lena, shitting on his partners and the partners of his affair (Wade, Minervas husband). Its good on the fetish side since I love girls stealing from other girls, but for the narrative and character development its trash. The same applies with Lena who loathes Cherry and Axel, yet does the same if not worse by fucking Mike and being very expressive and gleefull about how she is superior to his girl.

Maybe you can't have it both and porn and plot doesn't match? Maybe Eva had a serious story in mind but their audience demands and pays for porn so Eva quickly drifted back in the old, easier to gratifying way?

Agreed the earlier chapters do have a different tone compared to what we get in later chapters, so i definitely wouldn't be surprised if EK just chose to go with whats easiest, and just decided to make this into GGGB2 since that's probably what most of her fans wanted in the first place.

Then again maybe EK thought it wouldn't make sense to keep that tone throughout the whole game and all of this is going according to her vision.

 

[GokutheG]

In the first chapters absolutely, the introspection of Ian and Lenas inability to move on and how they hesitate going for a new partner while their environment pushes them to do so is done delicately. It emphasizes Evas first original vision, two lost souls coming together.
Over the course of the game, this theme is extremely muddled if not removed by all the porn. I'm far from being against the latter butthe greatest dissonance of the game is Ian and Lena being those fragile hurtful souls... and then having the ability to fuck every person in their vicinity with glee and zero remorse. You have Ian slowly healing from Gillian, someone who even occasionale appears in the game through photos and dreams, and then have him doing the exact same Gillian and her affair did by fucking Cindy. Now, being cheated on doesn't disqualify you as a potential cheater yourself, heck you can give them the impetus because they were cheated themselves, but I lose very fast any sympathy and relatability if he casually fucks Minerva or Alison while having a sweet romance with Holly or good Lena, shitting on his partners and the partners of his affair (Wade, Minervas husband). Its good on the fetish side since I love girls stealing from other girls, but for the narrative and character development its trash. The same applies with Lena who loathes Cherry and Axel, yet does the same if not worse by fucking Mike and being very expressive and gleefull about how she is superior to his girl.

Maybe you can't have it both and porn and plot doesn't match? Maybe Eva had a serious story in mind but their audience demands and pays for porn so Eva quickly drifted back in the old, easier to gratifying way?

The problem with the 2 lost souls finding each other premise is that it's mainly written for Lena and Ian. The problem with this is that there are people who have no interest in Lena being romantically involved with Ian. I thought the dev went too heavy handed in trying to tell the player that they are meant to get together. For example if you don't have Lena kiss Ian on the 2nd date Lena is blocked from being able to open up to Ian about Axel. Another scenario is if Lena tells Ivy that she isn't interested in Ian they automatically start dating after the 3rd date. To me that sort of diminished the story's premise if you don't want them to get together.

Honestly I think the whole heartbreak from cheating angle is also diminished when both mcs can engage in cheating themselves. Personally I feel a more interesting scenario would have been that Ian had proposed to Gillian and right before the wedding she ran off due to cold feet. Not only would it be a fresher premise and increase the weight of Ian being hesitant to enter a new serious relationship it would also help him to not look like such a hypocrite if he does go down the cheating route(s).

I also had an idea about Lena's breakup due to Axel's anger and violence issues but I don't think that's something the dev would want to tackle in this story. I just wish that if Lena warns Cindy about Axel that it was tracked.

 

[Leongen43]

There is already foreshadowing for Holly with Marcel. She will be throttled by Marcel at some point

It can also happen that Marcel and Jeremy grab Holly where they tear her clothes and stick their huge tongues deep in her beautiful holes. When Holly can't resist anymore, she will have an orgasm so powerful that she will urinate and tears of happiness will come out. and it is the moment where Marcel and Jeremy are going to forcefully penetrate her vagina and her mouth moving wildly where she can barely breathe and when they are finishing Ivy appears and takes a selfie and labels it "bbc cream chinese finger trap" Would it be understood?

 

[Solomon Grundy]

So, I did a quick search and didn't turn anything up so I'm not sure if this only happened to me, but I had Lena do the concert thing and not the life drawing in order to help out the cafe. However now, in Ch 11, they're talking about hosting "another" life drawing event at the cafe. I'm pretty sure there was never a first one...

 

[Krysis_here]

Making Stan remasters and deliver fast food cameos.

Stan Would be a Great Chef. I mean the time Lena complimented him for making meatballs and omelets and Impressed Lena. Getting Compliments...He has the potential to cook



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[mommysboiii]

Nah! EK mentioned in recent Q&A which she did in 3 parts. She mentioned Ian will get minor content with Jessica and we got it recently, Ivy will play more role in Lena's story than Ian but down the line Ian will also get content with Ivy but will be less content, and last but not least, Ian will not get any content with Gillian(Chameleon), she may plan in future but as of now there is none planned. You can find the Q&A, I'm not finding it, too much work.

I dont find this recently so you made this upor you mean very very very old post/or a post about chapter 12 maybe that there wont be a gillian scene but it dosent make sens (for the whole game) she did the gillian content and also can tell her you miss her and can make a decission not to forget her she also did good in the voting pools with almost no content so this dosent make sens

but I am good anyway because if she dosent give gillian content than she will use the gillian things for holy or cindy CUCK/cheating/slutty/corruption content pathso I get my cuckerino content anyway but gillian cindy and holly are the BEST waifus

 

[ffive]

So, I did a quick search and didn't turn anything up so I'm not sure if this only happened to me, but I had Lena do the concert thing and not the life drawing in order to help out the cafe. However now, in Ch 11, they're talking about hosting "another" life drawing event at the cafe. I'm pretty sure there was never a first one...

You might've overlooked it, but the event you didn't pick happens in the background a few weeks after the first, featured one. Lena and the cafe owners make a mention of it while discussing things, but it's not shown explicitly. So the life drawing (and Ed getting an eyeful of Lena and re-discovering his passion for drawing) happens either way.

 

[mommysboiii]

Fuck Gillian, she can stay with Mike or whoever her BF is and cheat on them. Once a cheater is always a cheater.

damm you haters have bad woman taste

 

[mommysboiii]

I'm glad there won't be a Gillian route. Even if you have an Ian humiliation fetish like some of the weirdos in this thread I think it'd be absolutely insane for him to give her another chance given what she did.

dude there are litterly path were you cant forget her and also watch the nightmares so she will use that for a gillian route or for cindy/holly cheating route

 

[MF_DOOM]

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Knowing Stan, that creep would probably ejaculate in everybody's food.

 

[mommysboiii]

Sharing her with Jeremy is so-so. The voyeur and cuck route doesn't really work since Jeremy is too oblivious for it and Alison prefers Ian overall even if he is limp and freezes up.

my guess is that there will be more drama with the ian alison jeremy triangle in the future at the moment it dosent work but I guess it was just the (start)

 

[Xupuzulla]

damm you haters have bad woman taste

Based mommysboiii,imagine not wanting to fuck the shit out of Gillian.

 

[ffive]

Knowing Stan, that creep would probably ejaculate in everybody's food.

Stan, an avid Degrees of Lewdity player.

 

[Ilcoriglianese forte]

The problem with the 2 lost souls finding each other premise is that it's mainly written for Lena and Ian. The problem with this is that there are people who have no interest in Lena being romantically involved with Ian. I thought the dev went too heavy handed in trying to tell the player that they are meant to get together. For example if you don't have Lena kiss Ian on the 2nd date Lena is blocked from being able to open up to Ian about Axel. Another scenario is if Lena tells Ivy that she isn't interested in Ian they automatically start dating after the 3rd date. To me that sort of diminished the story's premise if you don't want them to get together.

Honestly I think the whole heartbreak from cheating angle is also diminished when both mcs can engage in cheating themselves. Personally I feel a more interesting scenario would have been that Ian had proposed to Gillian and right before the wedding she ran off due to cold feet. Not only would it be a fresher premise and increase the weight of Ian being hesitant to enter a new serious relationship it would also help him to not look like such a hypocrite if he does go down the cheating route(s).

I also had an idea about Lena's breakup due to Axel's anger and violence issues but I don't think that's something the dev would want to tackle in this story. I just wish that if Lena warns Cindy about Axel that it was tracked.

Your comment is right, but I have already written several times that the game represents more two separate entities, they are much better as characters, and the further the story goes, the more the theory that they are two souls who will find each other is something more false , to make the clear path Ian-Lena, you practically don't have to play, at the slightest mistake, Lena betrays.