Gicoo

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I don't care if Wade goes to hell :), what I wouldn't like is Axel to meet Emma because if it happens I'm screwed especially after what she said about him and if they ever have sex Emma/Axel game over for Ian because he will seem like brand X and Axel like the premium brand, right? :unsure::oops::cry::mad:

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Emma isn't good enough to get on Axels radar.
 

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I don't care if Wade goes to hell :), what I wouldn't like is Axel to meet Emma because if it happens I'm screwed especially after what she said about him and if they ever have sex Emma/Axel game over for Ian because he will seem like brand X and Axel like the premium brand, right? :unsure::oops::cry::mad:

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Well I dig Emma all right same way I dig Abella Danger all right, but if you have your Ian throwing all his eggs to Emma's basket while you have the likes of Lena and Cindy for the taking.....Well you do you.
 

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guys, i am in chapter 3 (at the bar with Cindy) and really hate this axel guy, i want stop Cindy and ruin axel's fun. is there opportunity stoping or the story need they have sex?
Ian can literally have sex with the girls who were and will be on Axel's radar. Axel doesn't know shit on what is happening behind his back. Except the bar scene where Ian can openly say that he is with Lena or Cindy can spill the beans at the photoshoot with Ian present, if Lena decides to work with Axel.
 
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dolfe67

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It's even the genius of this game, the only problem is the quality of the writing, which is incredible only on vanilla paths, the rest is pretty awkward and heavy. The writing on the cuck route, damn.....Pure torture to a decent reader.
It's because you don't like those paths. They are ok, just a bit inconsistent at times
 
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I know I started it, because I got to a point (using URM as a cheat) where I managed to get ian_cuck = true by having Ian ask Lena if his cock was the best during a handjob and Lena and Ian never had real sex, though Lena did actually ask him to do a photoshoot of her. In this play, Lena is really mean to Stan; she is like an awful monster to him. The frustrating/puzzling thing about this play is that I would often get a signal of "gallery unlocked!", but I had no idea to what sexual interlude the game was referring. Finally they got to the beach....Wade had a bad trip....and the game ended. This was version 12.2 ALPHA. I believe there is a subsequent one out there.
So I think I am still in the "started cuck" path. I never got to see Ian watching Lena have sex with others. Ian has had sex with no one. Lena has sex with Mike (I think Jack too). I am wondering if I missed a number of branches. Oh, also, while at the beach, Louise began texting Ian. This play was very different from the previous ones I played. This Lena is like some alien to me; the way she treats Stan. But I was hoping to see if it would cause an interesting Lena/Louise interaction.
I will be away for a while. When I get back I will try the latest version released and see how it goes.
Seems very tedious. Thank god for the modders, this is one of those games like Seeds of Chaos where there's so many branching paths that the walkthrough is really necessary or you're going to pull your fucking hair out trying to get the correct PT. What I still don't understand is why EK adds in these cuck variables but for some reason a proper open relationship path is so difficult for them to implement in this game. I'm still holding out hope that route gets expanded upon, there is still time. I get the sense that EK has no idea how to write it or just gave up on it.
 

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I don't understand what the flags for the relationship with Cindy mean (aside from 0=breakup).

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The problem is that the same flags are used if Ian is in love with her or not. Shouldn't that make a huge difference in how Cindy regards Ian?

He can' even get the highest level (3), when he is in love with her. And he reaches 2 by either standing his ground (if he is in love) or by shrugging her off (if he isn't).

And if he is in love, trusting her gives him level 1. if he isn't in love, he gets level 1 just by being apathic.

Shouldn' there be more flags, depending on whether he is in love with her and depending on how he treats her?
 

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I don't understand what the flags for the relationship with Cindy mean (aside from 0=breakup).

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The problem is that the same flags are used if Ian is in love with her or not. Shouldn't that make a huge difference in how Cindy regards Ian?

He can' even get the highest level (3), when he is in love with her. And he reaches 2 by either standing his ground (if he is in love) or by shrugging her off (if he isn't).

And if he is in love, trusting her gives him level 1. if he isn't in love, he gets level 1 just by being apathic.

Shouldn' there be more flags, depending on whether he is in love with her and depending on how he treats her?
I would hazard a guess that a score above 2 is just meant to make Cindy "loyal" to Ian even if he is not in love with her, keeping her cheating on Wade but only with Ian?
 

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On many paths Lena is the opposite of a slut. Actually until the first choice of the date with Robert Lena can only be a sweet artful girl. It's actuazlly on the slut paths that Lena is poorly written and quite uninteresting.
I agree its unrealistic to me since lena clearly knows what she likes she isnt like GGGB protagonist who had no experiences
 
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I don't understand what the flags for the relationship with Cindy mean (aside from 0=breakup).
Only Eva Kiss knows, because the part of the game which makes use of them isn't out yet.

Keep in mind that just because the variable is used on more than one path it doesn't mean the same value has to mean the same thing on all paths. The game can always determine the context from the type of their relationship, in a sort-of two-stage process.

e.g. a value of 3 could be opener for potential "upgrade" of relationship from casual affair to love path down the road. While for Ian/Cindy who are already on the love path such value/application wouldn't make much sense, and so you only get value of 2 (at best) which could be "things remain as they're".
 
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Lolicon Kami

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Does anyone know how much Xp is needed for each attribute level?

I'm trying to optimize Ian's path for three different scenrios:Holly, Cindy, and Cherry. Will post when Im done

Edit: Clarification
 
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On many paths Lena is the opposite of a slut. Actually until the first choice of the date with Robert Lena can only be a sweet artful girl. It's actuazlly on the slut paths that Lena is poorly written and quite uninteresting.
I think that's a bit of an oversimplification of her character. It's obvious from her later conversations with Axel, that she was a very naughty girl with him, even if she didn't behave entirely as a slut. Also the way Ivy describes her, in their conversations, suggests Lena has been promiscuous in the past. So even if she's not been the out and out slut she's becoming on certain paths in this game, she's definitely had a somewhat slutty side since she was a teenager.

I also think the reason she starts the game the way she does, is because after the shock of discovering that Axel has betrayed her, she's lost a lot of her confidence, and believes she needs to be with someone who's very different to Axel. Which is why she's so attracted to Ian. Because he starts the game, as the polar opposite of him.

Also, I wonder whether your suggestion that Lena's slut paths are poorly written and uninteresting, maybe has something to do with your possible lack of interest in such routes?
 
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GokutheG

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Does anyone know how much Xp is needed for each attribute level?

I'm trying to optimize Ian's path for Holly, Cindy, and Cherry. Will post when Im done
You basically need to use a skill a number of times as the level you're trying to reach. So to reach level 1 of wits you need to pick an option that gives wits once. To reach level 2 you need to pick an option that gives wits twice when you're at level one and so on.
 

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Does anyone know how much Xp is needed for each attribute level?

I'm trying to optimize Ian's path for Holly, Cindy, and Cherry. Will post when Im done
Holly and Cindy? I though those two were mutually exclusive. IE: Ian needs to go with Holly to the book signing which means he misses Wades party. But I've most likely missed something and am talking out my ass, as per usual.
 
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GokutheG

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Holly and Cindy? I though those two were mutually exclusive. IE: Ian needs to go with Holly to the book signing which means he misses Wades party. But I've most likely missed something and am talking out my ass, as per usual.
No you're right. You can't get with both of them at the same time because their routes conflict.
 

Lolicon Kami

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Holly and Cindy? I though those two were mutually exclusive. IE: Ian needs to go with Holly to the book signing which means he misses Wades party. But I've most likely missed something and am talking out my ass, as per usual.
Sorry, I meant two different saves, two diff paths: one path for holly, one for cindy
 

Lolicon Kami

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You basically need to use a skill a number of times as the level you're trying to reach. So to reach level 1 of wits you need to pick an option that gives wits once. To reach level 2 you need to pick an option that gives wits twice when you're at level one and so on.
Fuck, that makes sense.

Always thought it was level +1. Overthought it :cry:
 

SlowGoesSlow

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Ivy, obv. She's the only one who shows any remote interest in him. :sneaky:

j/k, not sure why you'd want to sick Wade on anyone. Is like pairing them with Robert, only more fat and self-absorbed.
I think Wade’s more redeemable than Robert. Like the Cindy break up could put him on a path of self improvement, but he could always go the Perry route and get worse over time so I see your point. :HideThePain:
 

Andrea9999

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You realize you can have a cuck Ian with a Lena so friendly to Stan she lets him cum all over her body right ?
ALL of my other plays have Lena friendly to Stan to that point. Btw I like the Lena-Stan dialog of "Is this pose all right?" (when Stan is too mesmerized to shoot.) With my last play, I wanted mainly to get Ian in the cuckold position, but also wondered if I could get Lena-Louise scenarios by having Lena gang up with her on Stan. Then she became a Frankenstein monster to poor Stan. And I never got a Lena-Louise scene. Then out of blue, Louise sends a text to Ian when he is at the beach. I think it is because I abused the URM software. (It was my first run with it.) I actually feel sorry for both Louise and Stan in this game.....maybe they will end up marrying. :ROFLMAO:
It's even the genius of this game, the only problem is the quality of the writing, which is incredible only on vanilla paths, the rest is pretty awkward and heavy. The writing on the cuck route, damn.....Pure torture to a decent reader.
It is difficult to write erotically, in my view. To me, the least vanilla part of the game is the Seymour-Lena interaction, and while Seymour's dialog is a bit boring and pretentious, I find it easy to gloss over it with a quick skim while Lena's soliloquizing during and after the interludes are quite well written for eroticism. In other scenarios, I just press the space bar to advance really quickly and then backtrack if I find myself not following or I think I missed something interesting. So I play through a run very, very quickly making liberal use of the skip button. My real reading that is not work related tends to be history.
 
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