VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12.3 FULL] [Eva Kiss]

[ffive]

The threesome with ian/lena/louise is not consensual then. Lena feels she betrayed Ian, so that 3some is just a consolation prize.

The threesome is consensual since all three involved parties consent to it. Lena is absolutely able to choose not to bring up the subject at all, and the whole idea comes from her.

I feel the open relationship path in this game is neglected and damaged the most by the dev.

There is no open relationship path in this game, period. The "experimenting" is limited variant of what people think "open relationship" is, and mistaking one for the other is on them. The game never refers to arrangement Lena/Ian make as "open relationship" (on the surface; variable naming is another matter altogether)

 

[Radnos Salazar]

The threesome is consensual since all three involved parties consent to it. Lena is absolutely able to choose not to bring up the subject at all, and the whole idea comes from her.

I didn't meant non consensual as in forced, but there is no point in not telling Ian before sleeping with louise if Lena has agreed to experiment, i feel the main thing about an open relationship is open discussion and not go behind each other's backs. Lena admitting to herself that she cheated with louis just displays she feels like she betrayed Ian in someway even after they agreed to have an open relationship by not letting Ian know about louise, so looking from outside it does seem like she felt she owes Ian for cheating on him and she makes up to him by giving him a threesome with two women. I may be wrong but pragmatically speaking it does look like this doesn't it???

 

[lucadiadis]

I think the obvious counterpoint here would be the fact that GGGB also has certain potential paths and options which are not possible. It's not that ORS is more limited in this regard, but more of player's opinions being shaped by whether the game happens to implement particular scenario the player may want, or not.

I would agree if some of the constraints were not particularly absurd, such as the example I have given.

 

[ffive]

I didn't meant non consensual as in forced, but there is no point in not telling Ian before sleeping with louise if Lena has agreed to experiment

I agree this development it a bit weird, but keep in mind it starts with heartbroken Louise coming to Lena for comfort. It's not exactly great moment for Lena to tell her "No, i just started dating Ian so let me call him and bring him here so he can fuck you too". Afterwards Lena keeps this between just Louise and herself probably because she doesn't really feel like her relationship with Ian is all that solid, and it takes quite a few chapters for both Lena and Ian to come to conclusion that yes, they feel like this is a real, working relationship they're in. At which point Lena does introduce Louise to Ian.

 

[SearingFive]

I didn't meant non consensual as in forced, but there is no point in not telling Ian before sleeping with louise if Lena has agreed to experiment, i feel the main thing about an open relationship is open discussion and not go behind each other's backs. Lena admitting to herself that she cheated with louis just displays she feels like she betrayed Ian in someway even after they agreed to have an open relationship by not letting Ian know about louise, so looking from outside it does seem like she felt she owes Ian for cheating on him and she makes up to him by giving him a threesome with two women. I may be wrong but pragmatically speaking it does look like this doesn't it???

It's the same scenario what Axel pulled with Lena and Cherry. But I am pretty sure Axel didn't feel guilty like Lena did for cheating.

 

[ffive]

I would agree if some of the constraints were not particularly absurd, such as the example I have given.

But GGGB also has its share of absurd limitations. E.g. you can have sex with dad, but can't form a relationship with MC's mother that doesn't include her new guy. Or you can't have "open relationship" with Chad Eric that'd allow you to fuck other guys on your own (now doesn't this sound familiar)

 

[Radnos Salazar]

I agree this development it a bit weird, but keep in mind it starts with heartbroken Louise coming to Lena for comfort. It's not exactly great moment for Lena to tell her "No, i just started dating Ian so let me call him and bring him here so he can fuck you too". Afterwards Lena keeps this between just Louise and herself probably because she doesn't really feel like her relationship with Ian is all that solid, and it takes quite a few chapters for both Lena and Ian to come to conclusion that yes, they feel like this is a real, working relationship they're in. At which point Lena does introduce Louise to Ian.

i see, after reading the situation it does make a little bit sense. But i still think she could have told Ian hey i slept with louise because she was heartbroken and stuff and Ian would understand it right coz he agreed to experimentation. Well... all i can hope for is such experiments with girls keep on coming coz i liked it a lot, sort of a cuckquean path

 

[ffive]

But i still think she could have told Ian hey i slept with louise because she was heartbroken and stuff and Ian would understand it right coz he agreed to experimentation.

This is how Lena explains it to Ian afterwards, in fact. I suppose one could argue that it'd be better if she was upfront about it, i.e. admitted to sex with Louise first and then offered the threesome... but it is what it is.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

This is how Lena explains it to Ian afterwards, in fact. I suppose one could argue that it'd be better if she was upfront about it, i.e. admitted to sex with Louise first and then offered the threesome... but it is what it is.

exactly what i mean!! Just be upfront and tell the truth, hey since we agreed to have experiments i kinda slept with louise. No point in experimentation if you hide said experimentation just sayin...

 

[lucadiadis]

But GGGB also has its share of absurd limitations. E.g. you can have sex with dad, but can't form a relationship with MC's mother that doesn't include her new guy. Or you can't have "open relationship" with Chad Eric that'd allow you to fuck other guys on your own (now doesn't this sound familiar)

Valid point. Still, it is frustrating.

 

[lucadiadis]

I agree this development it a bit weird, but keep in mind it starts with heartbroken Louise coming to Lena for comfort. It's not exactly great moment for Lena to tell her "No, i just started dating Ian so let me call him and bring him here so he can fuck you too". Afterwards Lena keeps this between just Louise and herself probably because she doesn't really feel like her relationship with Ian is all that solid, and it takes quite a few chapters for both Lena and Ian to come to conclusion that yes, they feel like this is a real, working relationship they're in. At which point Lena does introduce Louise to Ian.

Well, at the end of your interpretation we come back to your first sentence: it does look weird.

 

[bonerland]

In most cases I would agree: the interest of a story, in adult games just like in any other field, is that it comes from a story teller who has something to say to the outside world, and the reader/player must let himself be guided by them. However, in the particular case of EK, the very specific interest of GGGB which made it unique was that the labyrinth of choices and options was so vast that it let the players create their own story. I am not a porn game connoisseur and ORS is the only game I really play, but from the few other ones I have looked at EK seems very unique on this. And one could argue that she loses this specificity with ORS, as she deliberately closes some paths and options for the player. To me the ultimate example is the threesome Lena/Louise/Ian: you cannot have it unless Lena has cheated on Ian with Louise. I mean, how absurd is this ? Why would faithful Lena not be interested in experimenting with her serious boyfriend without cheating on him ? This is the sort of constrains EK brings to her game which make the whole thing particularly annoying.

The same thing happened in GGGB; for instance, the Thug path cut off anything to do with Instagram at a certain point. Or invite Natasha over for a threesome with Eric if you engaged in a threesome with her and her boyfriend.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

You can steer the MCs in directions, but their attitude is set. Lena hates Axel

That's not completely correct anymore. Lena's attitude to Axel is softening, if she decides to keep having sex with him. When they meet at the station, before Lena heads to the beach, it's obvious in that scene that her opinion of him has changed. So over time her attitude to Axel is most definitely not set, if you make the correct choices.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

I didn't meant non consensual as in forced, but there is no point in not telling Ian before sleeping with louise if Lena has agreed to experiment, i feel the main thing about an open relationship is open discussion and not go behind each other's backs. Lena admitting to herself that she cheated with louis just displays she feels like she betrayed Ian in someway even after they agreed to have an open relationship by not letting Ian know about louise, so looking from outside it does seem like she felt she owes Ian for cheating on him and she makes up to him by giving him a threesome with two women. I may be wrong but pragmatically speaking it does look like this doesn't it???

It's not entirely correct, that an open relationship requires partners to discuss the sex they have with other people before or even after. It depends on what kind of open relationship you have. Some people want to know in advance, some people want to at least know afterwards, and some people are quite happy if their partners don't bother to tell them at all, if they don't want to. Most people in open relationships will talk about, most of the sexual experiences they have with other people, but perhaps not all of them. This is usually what's referred to as a Free Pass. In other words, your partner allows you to do whatever you want, and that might include not telling them about some of your sexual experiences.

 

[dolfe67]

i just went on from this....
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Yeah they should rename the "Ian/Lena open relationship #445" in the walkthrough, it's not an open relationship and mislead people.

 

[Socrambus]

I didn't meant non consensual as in forced, but there is no point in not telling Ian before sleeping with louise if Lena has agreed to experiment, i feel the main thing about an open relationship is open discussion and not go behind each other's backs. Lena admitting to herself that she cheated with louis just displays she feels like she betrayed Ian in someway even after they agreed to have an open relationship by not letting Ian know about louise, so looking from outside it does seem like she felt she owes Ian for cheating on him and she makes up to him by giving him a threesome with two women. I may be wrong but pragmatically speaking it does look like this doesn't it???

I admit I don't have any personal experience with open relationship stuff (personally I don't see much difference with just being fuck buddies). IMO the "logical" thing would have been Ian and Lena open disclosing their other relationships once they both accept to enter into a more open relationship to continue experimenting together. Then you could choose as a player how each of them feel about any of the other ongoing flings and establish whatever boundaries they will agree on.

To be fair, that sounds like a nightmare regarding path writing complexity and quite a lot of extra work for Eva. So I can understand why the "open relationship" path is so greatly underdeveloped but maybe Eva should have not offered the option at all instead of delivering an almost empty one (so far).

 

[Ness99]

The next update that concludes the beach arc is focused on Lena?

 

[88stanford88]

Wow CH12 full? i missed that ... why? ...... last version played was 11 full
Okey
I was waiting this bc i play only full chapters

Now downloading .. and i will play Lena full slut path
I love her when she fucks everyone!

The next update that concludes the beach arc is focused on Lena?

I really hope so!.... bc I'm totally focused on Lena!
so I have to wait for 13 fukk... DAMN!

Number 1: Lena
Number 2: Lena
Number 3: Lena
and so on...
Number 9: Allison
Number 10: Cindy? .. not sure

 

[lucadiadis]

Wow CH12 full? i missed that ... why? ...... last version played was 11 full
Okey
I was waiting this bc i play only full chapters

Now downloading .. and i will play Lena full slut path
I love her when she fucks everyone!


I really hope so!.... bc I'm totally focused on Lena!
so I have to wait for 13 fukk... DAMN!

Number 1: Lena
Number 2: Lena
Number 3: Lena
and so on...
Number 9: Allison
Number 10: Cindy? .. not sure

(Guys, who will burst his bubble and tell him it is mainly Ian's update ?)

 

[Gicoo]

That's not completely correct anymore. Lena's attitude to Axel is softening, if she decides to keep having sex with him. When they meet at the station, before Lena heads to the beach, it's obvious in that scene that her opinion of him has changed. So over time her attitude to Axel is most definitely not set, if you make the correct choices.

Read the full post in context to the post it was responding.
Lena hates Axel in chapter 1 just like Ian is casual with Hobby. If the player decides to steer them in specific directions through choices, Ian can develop feeling toward Holly and Lena can fuck Axel. The respondent argued that you control the characters, hence Lena could theoretically desire to fuck Axel in chapter 1 and Ian should been easier to get interested into Holly. Hence my response that Ian and Lena are fixed characters in the beginning of the game who have clear dispositions and opinions of their environment.