Zara Scarlet

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Read the full post in context to the post it was responding.
Lena hates Axel in chapter 1 just like Ian is casual with Hobby. If the player decides to steer them in specific directions through choices, Ian can develop feeling toward Holly and Lena can fuck Axel. The respondent argued that you control the characters, hence Lena could theoretically desire to fuck Axel in chapter 1 and Ian should been easier to get interested into Holly. Hence my response that Ian and Lena are fixed characters in the beginning of the game who have clear dispositions and opinions of their environment.
Lena claims to hate Axel, but does she really? Maybe she says that she does, but on the route where you allow her to get turned on by the pictures, in her notebook, it's obvious she never really stopped having feelings for him. Just like Ian can still secretly have feelings for Gillian ( if you choose to allow it). On the surface perhaps there positions with Axel and Gillian are fixed, but in reality they never were. If Ian chooses to mastubate in Chapter 1, there is a clear inference, that his feelings for Gillian, are not as clearcut as he believes. And the way that Lena reacts, when she first meets Axel at the Restaurant, suggests heavily that she isn't over him yet. Why else would Ivy tell her not to get over-emotional when she talks with Axel? It's clear Ivy believes, that Lena might still harbour feelings for Axel?

This is of course dependent on your choices. On the path I follow, Lena and Ian never stopped subconsciously desiring their former partners. They both believed that they hated them, but this belief was false. They were angry with them, they were disgusted with them, but they never hated them. I think both characters start off in an ambivalent position, regarding their ex-partners, that can become either hatred or desire, depending on the players choices.
 

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Lena claims to hate Axel, but does she really? Maybe she says that she does, but on the route where you allow her to get turned on by the pictures, in her notebook, it's obvious she never really stopped having feelings for him. Just like Ian can still secretly have feelings for Gillian ( if you choose to allow it). On the surface perhaps there positions with Axel and Gillian are fixed, but in reality they never were. If Ian chooses to mastubate in Chapter 1, there is a clear inference, that his feelings for Gillian, are not as clearcut as he believes. And the way that Lena reacts, when she first meets Axel at the Restaurant, suggests heavily that she isn't over him yet. Why else would Ivy tell her not to get over-emotional when she talks with Axel? It's clear Ivy believes, that Lena might still harbour feelings for Axel?

This is of course dependent on your choices. On the path I follow, Lena and Ian never stopped subconsciously desiring their former partners. They both believed that they hated them, but this belief was false. They were angry with them, they were disgusted with them, but they never hated them. I think both characters start off in an ambivalent position, regarding their ex-partners, that can become either hatred or desire, depending on the players choices.
True they dont hate them but they were hurt by them. U have two paths moving on from them or going back to the toxic cycle for Lena anyway. Dont know if eva plans to bring Gillian back
 

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True they dont hate them but they were hurt by them. U have two paths moving on from them or going back to the toxic cycle for Lena anyway. Dont know if eva plans to bring Gillian back
That's why I said they were angry and disgusted by them. As far as Lena is concerned, if you choose for her to completely blank Axel out, it's clear you've chosen for her to hate him. I just don't think it's a fixed position when the game starts.

I hope she brings Gillian back. It seems the obvious counterpoint, to Lena's relationship with Axel. I'm not sure Gillian is Mike's girlfriend, as a lot of people believe. But it would definitely create quite a lot of drama, within an Ian/Lena relationship, if they were both cheating on each other with Mike and Gillian. And doubly so, if Lena is cheating on Ian with Axel as well. That would give added drama, because Mike and Axel both despise each other.
 
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So, i started this game and is really good but with so many chars, anyone have a list who are the love interests for the 2 mc? I get the feeling the game tries to push the 2 mc together but i dont really want that.
 
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That's why I said they were angry and disgusted by them. As far as Lena is concerned, if you choose for her to completely blank Axel out, it's clear you've chosen for her to hate him. I just don't think it's a fixed position when the game starts.

I hope she brings Gillian back. It seems the obvious counterpoint, to Lena's relationship with Axel. I'm not sure Gillian is Mike's girlfriend, as a lot of people believe. But it would definitely create quite a lot of drama, within an Ian/Lena relationship, if they were both cheating on each other with Mike and Gillian. And doubly so, if Lena is cheating on Ian with Axel as well. That would give added drama, because Mike and Axel both despise each other.
Yeah u can create a real messy story if that is the case perfect for players who want to create a chaotic story
 

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So, i started this game and is really good but with so many chars, anyone have a list who are the love interests for the 2 mc? I get the feeling the game tries to push the 2 mc together but i dont really want that.
Ian: Lena, Holly, Cindy, Alison, Cherry, Emma, Minerva.
Options that are saved for the later portion of the game and don't have enough content to count for a romance, yet: Bad Jessica, Gillian, Ivy, Louise

Lena: Ian, Robert, Axel, Mike, Jeremy, Seymour, Stan. Holly, Louise, Ivy if you go bi.
Options that are saved for the later portion of the game and don't have enough content to count for a romance, yet: Mark, Marcel, Jack, Perry(?), Tom, John. Emma, Eli if you go bi.
 
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So, i started this game and is really good but with so many chars, anyone have a list who are the love interests for the 2 mc? I get the feeling the game tries to push the 2 mc together but i dont really want that.
Let me break it down for u for ian the lis known are: Alison, Cindy, Emma, Cherry, Lena, and Holly. Hookups for Ian are Minerva, Jess, and Louise u have to be on Lenas path for this. Lenas are more hook up base unless u get her in a relationship with Ian or with Stan. The list goes: Ian, robert, Marcel, Holly, Ivy, Axel, Stan, Mike, Seymour, Louise, Jearmy, and jack.
 
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Let Lena have the fake redhead Louise. Ian will have real redhead Gillian instead. It seems like a fair trade between them. They can have a relationship while each having a side redhead bitch.
 

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So, i started this game and is really good but with so many chars, anyone have a list who are the love interests for the 2 mc? I get the feeling the game tries to push the 2 mc together but i dont really want that.
Ian and Lena don't have to end up together. They're going to be friends, but not necessarily lovers or partners.

Ian's potential love interests and fuck buddies are Lena, Holly, Alison, Cindy, Emma, Cherry, Jessica, Minerva, and in the future Ivy. It's possible for Ian to have sex with Louise, in a threesome with Lena, and I think it's likely she'll eventually be another fuck buddy option for him. He may also possibly be able to get back together with his ex-girlfriend Gillian, but Eva is yet to say whether that will happen.

Lena's potential love interests and fuck buddies are Ian, Mike, Robert, Axel, Jeremy, Marcel, Jack, Mark, Ivy, Holly, Louise and probably in the future Seymour, Billy, Emma, Jessica, Eli and John.

Bear in mind, it's not possible for Ian and Lena to get together with all these people in a single playthrough, as some of them are alts for each other.
 
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Lenas are more hook up base unless u get her in a relationship with Ian or with Stan. The list goes: Ian, robert, Marcel, Holly, Ivy, Axel, Stan, Mike, Seymour, Louise, Jearmy, and jack.
Lena having a hookup phase would be boring without a threesome. How many chapters are left till the game is finished?
 
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In my ideal world EK would make one release for each new lewd scene, but more frequently obviously, and carrying on forever.
 

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That's why I said they were angry and disgusted by them. As far as Lena is concerned, if you choose for her to completely blank Axel out, it's clear you've chosen for her to hate him. I just don't think it's a fixed position when the game starts.
It is the fixed position when the game starts. It's why Lena left Axel in the first place, and it's her starting viewpoint. You can have Lena relapse into dependency on Axel, by choosing to activate her desire flag and by improving relationship score, but note these are changes from what her position is like at th start of the game.

Lena canonicaly starts with no desire for Axel, her opinion of him is 0, and her internal monologues are all about her wanting to never see him again. Not "but he's soooo hot, i'm getting all wet".
 
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