VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[Gicoo]

Lena is a indeed a 10 i agree even ian would agree but ian isnt a 5 he is more like currently 7-8 basiclly

If you mean at the end of chapter 10 and assuming a successfull Ian who has a girl, got the better job and helps out his people, I agree, this is a 7-8. For the 10 he needs his book to a success to build upon it, maintain his chad status by concinving the girls to stay with him despite them knowing that they are shared, win the tournament and beat the other guys etc. He can do this at the end of the game. A 10.
He can also become a loser smoking weed all day, a 0.
But in chapter 1, he is a 5.

 

[BloodyMares]

He can beat an angry drunk guy or even be beaten by him. Going to the gym once a week is technically working out but that only maintains an average bodybuild,

Average person doesn't work out at all, FYI. Most people are too fucked by their jobs or schools to have any energy left for workouts. An average Ian would instead dedicate his entire free time to writing, jerking off, gaming, and occasionally socializing in bars. An average person would drop the gym after a month or two even if they had free time. I don't know why you think so highly of average men (or downplay personal achievements and hard work).

 

[Probando]

If you mean at the end of chapter 10 and assuming a successfull Ian who has a girl, got the better job and helps out his people, I agree, this is a 7-8. For the 10 he needs his book to a success to build upon it, maintain his chad status by concinving the girls to stay with him despite them knowing that they are shared, win the tournament and beat the other guys etc. He can do this at the end of the game. A 10.
He can also become a loser smoking weed all day, a 0.
But in chapter 1, he is a 5.

So Ian needs to be Stephen King with the looks of Brad Pitt to be a 10 but Lena is a 10 because she is hot...

 

[BloodyMares]

He can also become a loser smoking weed all day, a 0.

Even a loser stoner Ian is at least a 3. At his worst, he's better than Stan who is probably a 2 (because he's not too ugly or covered in acne). 0 means totally unfuckable = smells bad, covered in zits, socially inept, dumb, bitter, no hobbies, etc. Not just one of those qualities, but all of them.

 

[Gicoo]

Average person doesn't work out at all, FYI

Of course they do, its required for a healthy livestyle. This habit is endagered nowadays due to work focussing more and more on desks jobs and the better infrastructure to avoid walking, running and cycling.
As I said, Ian is above average compared to these trends nowadays. I used to ride to school with my bycycle every day and swam once a week. I wasn't buff in any way and had no muscles, but I was like Ian, lean, slim, average, a 4 or 5 bodywise.

So Ian needs to be Stephen King with the appareance of Brad Pitt to be a 10 but Lena is a 10 because she is hot...

That's how the double standard goes. Ian needs to be successfull to get to the top, Lena could get away with that by marrying a rich man. She is still quite intelligent and can converse, hence Axel and Seymour appreciate her over someone like Ivy. Once she is rich and someone like Agnes at old age she'd made it.

Even a loser stoner Ian is at least a 3. At his worst, he's better than Stan who is probably a 2 (because he's not too ugly or covered in acne). 0 means totally unfuckable = smells bad, covered in zits, socially inept, dumb, bitter, no hobbies, etc. Not just one of those qualities, but all of them.

True, the Loser path is currently not fleshed out enough and Ian needs possibilities to sink to new lows for the remaining chapters. The best way for the 0 is to let him be cucked (and him not being okay with it), lose his job, lose his friends etc.

 

[ffive]

I'd include Perry into their ranks.

I feel like Perry is a bit too socially incompetent to be purely average, but it's "very slightly below average" sort, and it wouldn't take him much at all to overcome this. In fact, you could probably argue that if he's convinced to start helping Lena in the cafe he's pretty much already at "average and moving up" by the time chapter 10 rolls around.

 

[ffive]

Of course they do, its required for a healthy livestyle.

No, they don't. That's exactly the point, it's called "healthy livestyle" and not "average livestyle" because average person can't be arsed to put all that effort.

Check out average human weight and how it compares to healty one, and be surprised. That's what average is, not the rose glasses idea of "i was slim in my youth"

 

[Outlier69]

But still his success in the game is based on player input, ie the gameplay. He wasn't successful with literal models prior to the game starting. With all due respect to Gillian, she isn't exactly as physically attractive as people like Lena or Cindy.

I mean... isn't it heavily implied that Alison has had a crush on him since high school? Yeah, she is not a literal model, but she is the polar-opposite of bad-looking, that's for sure.

 

[ffive]

Yeah, she is not a literal model, but she is the polar-opposite of bad-looking, that's for sure.

This whole talk of "oh X isn't as good looking as Y because Y is a model and X isn't" is pretty hilarious given all these characters are traced pictures of women that literal millions of men routinely jerk off to.

 

[Prevat]

Im sorry but even in chapter 1 Ian has barely any fat on his body, big pecs and muscles all over. I wish that was "average" lol

 

[Lord Bradley]

Forgive me if this has been discussed at length, but has there been any hints at possible pregnancy course even if as just the endings? Couple of interesting scenarios I wouldn't mind seeing:

- Wade raises Ian's or Axel's (or some other white guy?) baby as his own with Cindy (Wade thinks it's his)
- Emma gets knocked up and both Jeremy and Ian have no idea who was the lucky fella
- Holly gets triplets from Ian on romantic loyal route (happy family ending)
- Lena gets pregnant, but gives baby (babies!?) for adoption
- Louise gets knocked up by Jeremy, they split up, Stan and Louise start to get along and he helps her raise the kid
- Gillian shows up with bunch of ginger rugrats and Ian steps in to help make a family

And well if you would like some darker themed ending or story part...
- Minerva gets pregnant and has a miscarriage somewhere down the line

 

[BloodyMares]

Forgive me if this has been discussed at length, but has there been any hints at possible pregnancy course even if as just the endings? Couple of interesting scenarios I wouldn't mind seeing:

Considering Alison's love for creampies and her bad reaction to the pills, I'd say there's a very high chance of her getting pregnant one of these days, probably even the first day Ian officially becomes her boyfriend.

 

[Outlier69]

This whole talk of "oh X isn't as good looking as Y because Y is a model and X isn't" is pretty hilarious given all these characters are traced pictures of women that literal millions of men routinely jerk off to.

I had to put an emphasis on this to prove my point lmao, but yeah this is hilarious and somewhat dumb. Also I'm curious who Alison was inspired by? Gonna take a guess and say rocketbabey since she resembles her a lot in some of her pictures.

 

[BloodyMares]

I had to put an emphasis on this to prove my point lmao, but yeah this is hilarious and somewhat dumb. Also I'm curious who Alison was inspired by? Gonna take a guess and say rocketbabey since she resembles her a lot in some of her pictures.

Her body in most of the scenes was inspired by August Ames. Not sure about the face, to me she kinda looks like young Dana DeArmond.

 

[fatpussy123]

I mean... isn't it heavily implied that Alison has had a crush on him since high school? Yeah, she is not a literal model, but she is the polar-opposite of bad-looking, that's for sure.

I never called any of the girls bad-looking, but in the context of the story characters treat Cindy and Lena specifically as being the most attractive women. If Alison really had this big crush throughout their entire friendship, just like Holly, and like how Minerva had a thing for Ian, doesnt that speak to how socially lacking Ian can be without player input? That he had three attractive woman crushing on him but did not manage to sleep with one of them and instead got cheated on by Gillian and proceeded to spend the following months wallowing in self pity.

 

[fatpussy123]

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. If you think that "average guy" is witty, intelligent, charming, good looking, well behaved *and* good in bed, then you have very optimistic idea of what constitutes for average, typical and plain. But might want to ask some women about it for a more realistic perspective.

Out of ORS cast i'd say Robert and/or Mark are positioned as "average guy", with shortcomings balancing out the few advantages they have.

"witty, intelligent, charming, good looking, well behaved *and* good in bed" my point is that the witniness, intelligence is created by the dialogue chosen by the player. Before this Ian is distinctly around average or slightly above average. The good in bed thing is conjecture. We don't know how he performed with Gillian annd the player can make Ian perform terribly in bed. There are even hidden stats charater_satisfaction in the code. Sure in most scenes Ian performs good and satisfies his partner, but those scenes happen because of player input and even his performance is influenced by the player. Not that it even affects his attractiveness, notl like the women know before sleeping with him, unless we're talking repeat customers


These are Ian's stats at the start of the game before the player has any input. Ian's stats for his charisma are average and his intelligence and fitness are both 1 deviation above average. I'd argue being witty is a combination of both intelligence and charisma. He is only slightly above average in the categories you listed. And yes 5 is defined as average by the author.

To be fair these aren't necessary to the game or even strict 'canon', but they are made by the author and convey the author's intent of the characters being slightly above average at the start of the game.

 

[lipe2410]

We don't know how he performed with Gillian

In Alison's route she tells Ian she already knew he was good in bed because she asked Gillian about it.

 

[fatpussy123]

In Alison's route she tells Ian she already knew he was good in bed because she asked Gillian about it.

Fair enough. Point stands. Most women won't know how he'd perform before sleeping with him.

 

[BloodyMares]

annd the player can make Ian perform terribly in bed

Not really. The player can make him have a performance anxiety, resulting in no sex at all, but I don't remember any roleplaying opportunities to make Ian outright bad at sex, where the girls he's with are underwhelmed about his performance. Ian's oral game is stated to be one of the best for example by both Lena and Minerva. The only time where his performance can be very weak is during the threesome with Alison and Jeremy, where she comments that he finished rather fast.

 

[fatpussy123]

Not really. The player can make him have a performance anxiety, resulting in no sex at all, but I don't remember any roleplaying opportunities to make Ian outright bad at sex, where the girls he's with are underwhelmed about his performance. Ian's oral game is stated to be one of the best for example by both Lena and Minerva. The only time where his performance can be very weak is during the threesome with Alison and Jeremy, where she comments that he finished rather fast.

Depends on what you call having a 0 satisfaction score in the code. Besides, not getting it up, prematurely orgasming, doing counterintuitive actions like slowing down while giving a pounding, and saying uncalled for shit that ruins the mood can all be player controlled and are absolutely bad showings in bed. Maybe saying performing terrible is an exaggeration I guess.