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Updated Android port. Nothing too fancy but let me know if you have any issues.

Version: Ch4 Up3 + Cheat by The Witcher + WT by Lunarmist

PLEASE don't reply, or @ me, or DM me for updates. I always update my ports, YES I ALREADY KNOW ABOUT THE UPDATE.

IMPORTANT Instructions:
1. Download the APK:


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Size 296 MiB

2. Install the apk and run it once.

If you are upgrading and you already have the RPA file you can stop here.

3. Download the RPA file:


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Size 2.472 GiB

4. Move the RPA file to the game directory on your phone:
Documents/Renpy_Saves/com.estrada777.palecarnations/game
The file MUST be named: archive4.2.rpa

5. Restart the game and enjoy.

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I doubt restoring his romance with Mina will be main thing that turn him from "dark side", its more of influence of Edwin (bromance points). But its strange that we cant talk about Chuck bad influence with Ian. Edwin have constant thoughts in his head but afraid to speak with Ian about that?
I believe it is Chuck's influence over Ian that need to be fought over.
Also even if Ian starts becoming less of a human garbage he already lied and cheated way too many times and i don't really see Mina wanting to salvage this toxic relationship anymore.

Edwin will likely get the chance to talk to Ian about his uncle soon. For now it seems he is still thinking over all the differences between the sweet guy facade that he knew in the past and the true sexual predator face that Chuck only shows in private inside the club.
 

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New Dev Diary today!
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We not only get a number, we even get to know when work resumed! This is why you guys are the best devs! :love:

Anyway, we know GIL has completed 191 images and 0 animations in the last 11 days. That's an average of roughly 121.5 images and 0 animations per week. That roughly matches the global average rate of statics during Update 3; the animation rate is rather below Update 3's ~3.3 per week. It's still a little early for the charts to show much, but we might as well roll them out now:
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As you can see, it will currently take roughly 18 weeks to match Update 3's static images, and a whopping infinity weeks to reach Update 3's animation count. Fortunately, there's good reason to believe those rates will rise a bit as production gets into a groove. Of course it's also hard to say how the static/animation count for the exhibition will compare to the non-exhibition activities in recent updates, so don't take any of this too seriously just yet.

As for content we'll be getting, I'm very eager to see Veronica's story continue. I'm also intrigued by the Ian material on Sunday. I'd like to get that as soon as possible, but I think TD is right that it's better to see how big he exhibition is first before committing to starting the aftermath. We'll see how it goes... eventually. Just need to get back into the habit of being patient.
 

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We not only get a number, we even get to know when work resumed! This is why you guys are the best devs! :love:

Anyway, we know GIL has completed 191 images and 0 animations in the last 11 days. That's an average of roughly 121.5 images and 0 animations per week. That roughly matches the global average rate of statics during Update 3; the animation rate is rather below Update 3's ~3.3 per week...

As you can see, it will currently take roughly 18 weeks to match Update 3's static images, and a whopping infinity weeks to reach Update 3's animation count. Fortunately, there's good reason to believe those rates will rise a bit as production gets into a groove.
WOW, STOP THIS NOW PLEASE! You cannot take one single data and base statistics on it, or interprete anything meaningful from it. An "average of... 0 animations per week."? Please feel free to post if you have anything relevant to write. Have a nice day.
 

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I believe it is Chuck's influence over Ian that need to be fought over.
Also even if Ian starts becoming less of a human garbage he already lied and cheated way too many times and i don't really see Mina wanting to salvage this toxic relationship anymore.
Basically this. Ian's still 100% a bro but in no way am I having Mina around anymore while we 'save' Ian. Maybe if she was as fucked in the head as Edwin and Ian but that's not the case.

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This line more or less sums it up perfectly. I love Ian and Mina has already slipped through his fingers.
 

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Guys, is this game like Summertime Saga where it's kind of free roam/do what you wanna do first kind of game or is this a good old plain VN a la Once in a Lifetime?
 

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I think ename144 brought up lots of good points in this post, i agree with roughly 80% of them and would like to react on those on which i dont.
I agree his feelings for Mina and Victoria are different, but that can mean more than just one being stronger than the other. There's more than one type of love. The issue is the nature of those feelings.
That is true, there is more than one type of Love.
Killian's feeling towards Victoria seem to be familial; he sees her as a surrogate mother. More importantly, he sees her as someone who genuinely cares about him - unlike his own mother who is far more transactional. (...) That's how mother's are supposed to act, it's just that Grace is a terrible mother. Victoria being kind to him doesn't challenge his world view.
This is also not wrong, but i would put emphasis on the "seem to be familial" as in "it looks like it is a familial feeling" and that is why everyone involved, Victoria, Edwin and Killian is fine with it. From Victorias perspective Killian feels a bit like an adopted lost puppy or step-son, so Ians perception is not wrong and he cherishes it. This is probably also the reason he never made a move on her, because he fears to loose this special relation they have.
But he doesn't seem to love Victoria in a romantic sense, so I don't think he feels any conflict over his love for Victoria.
This is the first point at which our views diverge: It is fairly well established, that Ian had a crush on Victoria, he even stole her panties at one time; and again this is no secret, all three are (or were) aware of it. They treat it as funny incident worth of a good laugh. I dare to say that at some occasions Victoria (she leaves the Bathroom wrapped in a towel, and both Edwin and Ian are not surprised) may even indulged Ian in something that she have seen back then as a cute teenage infatuation; since this is not uncommon, usually harmless and fades away with time. Normally when said infatuated Teenager finds his/her first real girl-/boyfriend. The Problem is that Killian was introduced to the club at his 18th birthday, perhaps even lost his virginity there, and this had, as we know, a severe impact on how he views (sexual-) relationships. I doubt that Ian ever had a real girlfriend, and therefore never had the chance to graduate from those feelings. On the contrary i believe that this even reinforced his feelings to a woman he adores, compared to the sluts and whores and golddiggers he is used to.

Meanwhile Ian *might* have romantic feelings for Mina; it's hard to say for sure, but let's assume he does.
Your following arguments are totally valid without making this assumption, they work even if he doesnt love Mina, with the exception of one sentence. And even without this sentence your argumentation is solid.
The problem in that case is that he's learned (mostly from Chuck, I presume) to think of romantic feelings as irrelevant hindrances that accompany the true feelings of lust. (...)

So he tries to treat Mina as nothing more than a fun lay, because that's the way it's 'supposed' to work. When Mina doesn't respond in kind, he feels guilty over it - but again, guilt is supposedly a societal construct that only holds him back. So he tries even harder to slake his lusts and make the guilt go away, which hurts Mina even more. Wash, rinse, and repeat - until Mina's finally had enough and breaks up with him.

Except... she still hasn't done so. She should be able to get better sex elsewhere, so why doesn't she? That, IMHO, is why Ian is so confused by the whole matter. Mina's behavior doesn't fit the pattern he learned from Uncle Chuck and it makes him feel bad in a way he's normally good at suppressing. Hence I see it as an opportunity to make him a better person if we can get through to him and present him with an alternative view of romantic love. But that can only happen if Mina keeps acting in a way she "shouldn't." If Mina starts an affair with the MC, she'll finally fit into his existing world view and the opportunity will be lost.
Mina definitely challenges that shitty view he adopted from his Uncle, and the path to his redemption you outlined seems viable. But as i said before, this process will take time and effort and it is more than likely that Mina has to endure even more shit from him. She is already suffering in this relationship.
Lets look again on the actual behaviour he displays, this time again at the club night:

There are two scenes in which Ian and Mina sit side by side, look at Killians hand here:

in the first scene - before he runs away to flirt with the chick at the bar - his arm is on the backrest.
  • a loving boyfriend would rather have his arm around her shoulders
  • the "neutral" choice would be arm on the backrest, but his hand touching her shoulder, perhaps only with the fingertips
  • the "lewd" or playboy style would be probably copping a feel, showing off his chick and for what she is good for
all three choices would not necessarily interfere with his adopted views above;

in the second scene Mina has linked arms with him, presumably to prevent him from getting away again. Lets look at their hands again:
  • the "loving" choice would be to hold her hand, or to link fingers
  • the "neutral" would be a position like hers: hand on her leg or knee
  • again the position you would probably expect from him, given his background the "lewd" one, would be his hand on her thigh or even between her legs
all those variations would incur on a rather subconscious level, based on your disposition, you usually dont have a long, hard thought-process about where to leave your hand.
Yet here, for whatever reason, he picks the "unnatural" choice: he avoids to touch her at all (!), keeping at both occasions his hand away from her. Now imho this cannot explained simply with Uncle Chucks influence.
Mina is not only suffering from his infidelity (she only recently learned about it) and insincerity, but to a far greater degree from his inability to touch her. Look up Wikipedias article about Haptic Communication and the severe impact Touch Deprivation has on not only mental but also physical health. That is why i said, that i am not willing to sacrifice Mina to help Ian, regardless if he loves her or not (and i believe he doesnt, because this place in his heart is already taken).

and finally
It's not that he sees Mina as a sex object because he doesn't love her enough, it's because he thinks that's what romantic love really is.
Killian knows very well what romantic Love really is.

This again is a super lengthy post, please bear with me, but i try to backup my thoughts with evidence, that is why they are not on a Twitter Scale. I hope the community here profits of it, and i respect any other views on this subject, because of course i can be totally wrong, after all it is just my theory. Thank you Guys, i am looking forward to more interesting opinions and theories from you on this great game.
 
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I think ename144 brought up lots of good points in this post, i agree with roughly 80% of them and would like to react on those on which i dont.

That is true, there is more than one type of Love.

This is also not wrong, but i would put emphasis on the "seem to be familial" as in "it looks like it is a familial feeling" and that is why everyone involved, Victoria, Edwin and Killian is fine with it. From Victorias perspective Killian feels a bit like an adopted lost puppy or step-son, so Ians perception is not wrong and he cherishes it. This is probably also the reason he never made a move on her, because he fears to loose this special relation they have.

This is the first point at which our views diverge: It is fairly well established, that Ian had a crush on Victoria, he even stole her panties at one time; and again this is no secret, all three are (or were) aware of it. They treat it as funny incident worth of a good laugh. I dare to say that at some occasions Victoria (she leaves the Bathroom wrapped in a towel, and both Edwin and Ian are not surprised) may even indulged Ian in something that she have seen back then as a cute teenage infatuation; since this is not uncommon, usually harmless and fades away with time. Normally when said infatuated Teenager finds his/her first real girl-/boyfriend. The Problem is that Killian was introduced to the club at his 18th birthday, perhaps even lost his virginity there, and this had, as we know, a severe impact on how he views (sexual-) relationships. I doubt that Ian ever had a real girlfriend, and therefore never had the chance to graduate from those feelings. On the contrary i believe that this even reinforced his feelings to a woman he adores, compared to the sluts and whores and golddiggers he is used to.
You also make some strong points, so I suspect we'll have to agree to disagree. But I will explain how I see the issues you raise.

On the topic of Victoria, agree Ian had some sort of crush on Victoria during 'puberty' as he called it, but I think that ended some time ago. He's unusually mortified when he realizes she overheard the MC mention the panties incident, but has no reaction when Victoria pops into the room wearing a towel. I don't think he associates Victoria with sex, and indeed seems bothered at the thought.

To me, it seems like Ian is being honest when he insists he doesn't have a thing for the MC's mom.

Mina definitely challenges that shitty view he adopted from his Uncle, and the path to his redemption you outlined seems viable. But as i said before, this process will take time and effort and it is more than likely that Mina has to endure even more shit from him. She is already suffering in this relationship.
As I said before, I don't see how Mina has to endure anything she isn't already stuck enduring. I'm not talking about trying to keep her and Ian together, I'm talking about preventing her from cheating on Ian in some combination of revenge, desperation and lustful curiosity.

But trying to make Ian a better person is a separate project from what happens to Mina. I'll happily support her if she wants to give Ian another chance, but it's always up to her; she's the wronged party here. I'm just taking the MC off the table for her. To the extent that makes her suffer, it's an unavoidable part of having dated Ian in the first place. :(

Lets look again on the actual behaviour he displays, this time again at the club night:

There are two scenes in which Ian and Mina sit side by side, look at Killians hand here:

in the first scene - before he runs away to flirt with the chick at the bar - his arm is on the backrest.
  • a loving boyfriend would rather have his arm around her shoulders
  • the "neutral" choice would be arm on the backrest, but his hand touching her shoulder, perhaps only with the fingertips
  • the "lewd" or playboy style would be probably copping a feel, showing off his chick and for what she is good for
all three choices would not necessarily interfere with his adopted views above;

in the second scene Mina has linked arms with him, presumably to prevent him from getting away again. Lets look at their hands again:
  • the "loving" choice would be to hold her hand, or to link fingers
  • the "neutral" would be a position like hers: hand on her leg or knee
  • again the position you would probably expect from him, given his background the "lewd" one, would be his hand on her thigh or even between her legs
all those variations would incur on a rather subconscious level, based on your disposition, you usually dont have a long, hard thought-process about where to leave your hand.
Yet here, for whatever reason, he picks the "unnatural" choice: he avoids to touch her at all (!), keeping at both occasions his hand away from her. Now imho this cannot explained simply with Uncle Chucks influence.
Can't it? Look at what he says when you call him on it:
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He thinks making Mina jealous leads to better sex. That's exactly the sort of thing Chuck has been drilling into him: maximize your own enjoyment and never feel bad about how you do so.

And there are other occasions where he *does* touch Mina:
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I found the second one particularly interesting, where he holds Mina after the drunk guy harasses her at the dance club (it only happens if the MC beats up the brute). That's the most natural occasion to show physical affection, and he does so. But again, it's not a romantic situation. I think that makes it easier for him. Likewise, his joy when he learns she got the part seems pretty genuine. It's only when the contact is intimate without being sexually suggestive that Ian seems reticent.

and finally

Killian knows very well what romantic Love really is.
He definitely knows what romantic love is expected to be. But my point is that he sees that as a simplistic fantasy for kids, the classic Disney stereotype as it were. To him, love is idealistic nonsense; lust is the real deal. That's Kathleen's explicit outlook, and it seems to be close to Chuck's as well. I think Ian has come to believe it through osmosis (and possibly some deliberate indoctrination here and there).

It's true he isn't constantly trying to cop a feel on Mina in public, but that's because Mina wouldn't accept it. That's just part of the game: Mina plays hard to get because women are supposed to act coy and demure, and Ian persists because men are supposed to be horny and confident. In the end, they're both looking for the thrill pushing the boundaries (if his view were correct, that is).

I think it's also worth noting that Ian seems to have no trouble sexualizing Rosalind, even though she should be an easy reminder of the MC's mom (being of similar build and complexion, and also a single mom; admittedly, he's unaware of Victoria's porn career AFAIK). If Ian genuinely felt romantic attachment to Victoria, I don't think he'd be so giddy at the opportunity to share Rose with the MC.

That's how I see it, anyway. I do take your point though, and it's certainly plausible. We'll just have to see what further evidence reveals. But it is a fun debate in the meantime.
 
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Okey, you`ve done it! I saved a slot for not cheating with Mina, but i really, really hope she breaks up with Ian, since their relationship points are at zero in this save. And my Affection Score with her is 29 after i decline her. There is still hope ;)!
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AAAaaaaawwwww, breaks my heart
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that better be worth it ename144
Tell me about it. :cry:

But we need to focus on the big picture; we can still make her feel better.
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Plus, if things eventually change and you're both single, at least now she knows you can cook. ;)
 

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Okey, you`ve done it! I saved a slot for not cheating with Mina, but i really, really hope she breaks up with Ian, since their relationship points are at zero in this save. And my Affection Score with her is 29 after i decline her. There is still hope ;)!
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And there we see how much difference is possible in our playthroughs. In my "canon" main run, when Edwin comes home after rejecting to cheat with Mina the Mina-Killian relationship is still at 6! I agree mostly with ename144 here, that Ian might be able to save his relationship with Mina, but only if we can get him to see what is wrong and how close he is to losing the best thing that happened in his life so far.
 

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And there we see how much difference is possible in our playthroughs. In my "canon" main run, when Edwin comes home after rejecting to cheat with Mina the Mina-Killian relationship is still at 6!
Damn Turret you are living the "bros before hoes" lifestyle, arent you? Mina-Killian Relation still at 6 looks like you only took the "unavoidable" (ofc it is not unavoidable) birthday present hit? While it is true that, to get their relationship to zero, Edwin needs to actively sabotage it (never have i ever question), and needs to hit on Mina (groping, kissing), but to keep their relationship on 6 you also needed to "flat out Lie" for Ian and didnt tell her the truth at the club? Those last two decisions i havent considered disloyal to Ian, because he brought them unto him kind of himself. To be loyal to both would take their relationship down to a natural 4 in my opinion. *Mina should be wary of you, because you, Sir, are a Liar!* I am curious, what is your affection with her in your canon run?

(*I hope it is obvious that it is meant as joke and not as offense, but since this is the internet, i just wanted to clarify that. ;)*)
 
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looks good but i don't like the old men
Visually? It is my understanding that this would be the limitation of the used graphic engine, because Honey Select (which i think is used here) provides mainly ugly male character models. The graphical quality GIL3D manages to pull out of it, is superior and astonishing given those limitations (just compare some other games made with HS in this regard), he literally makes gold out of shit, because i think most males look okeyish or even appealing nonetheless.

If you dont like the old men, because they are mainly assholes and pricks, well, then you are right, they are. :D
 

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Damn Turret you are living the "bros before hoes" lifestyle, arent you? Mina-Killian Relation still at 6 looks like you only took the "unavoidable" (ofc it is not unavoidable) birthday present hit? While it is true that, to get their relationship to zero, Edwin needs to actively sabotage it (never have i ever question), and needs to hit on Mina (groping, kissing), but to keep their relationship on 6 you also needed to "flat out Lie" for Ian and didnt tell her the truth at the club? Those last two decisions i havent considered disloyal to Ian, because he brought them unto him kind of himself. To be loyal to both would take their relationship down to a natural 4 in my opinion. *Mina should be wary of you, because you, Sir, are a Liar!* I am curious, what is your affection with her in your canon run?

(*I hope it is obvious that it is meant as joke and not as offense, but since this is the internet, i just wanted to clarify that. ;)*)
Only for the real "Bros" actually! It would be different, if Ian were a not such a good friend to the MC. I dislike his playboy ways, but to Edwin Killian is a real friend. And no one alive will get more than a handful real friends in his/her lifetime.
You don´t have to "flat out lie" for Ian to keep his Mina relationship score high, there are effects from other events which can help you. My Edwin never lied to Mina, since he considers her a friend as well. My affection score for Mina is 24 or 26 in that run, I don know of the cuff which one. Hana score is 37 and Felicia is 31.
 
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And there we see how much difference is possible in our playthroughs. In my "canon" main run, when Edwin comes home after rejecting to cheat with Mina the Mina-Killian relationship is still at 6! I agree mostly with ename144 here, that Ian might be able to save his relationship with Mina, but only if we can get him to see what is wrong and how close he is to losing the best thing that happened in his life so far.
Wow! My canon M-K total is barely clinging to life at 2. I blame Zoey Raven for not mentioning the Strongman option in the nightclub deducts a point. :p

I'd like it if that's enough to give them both a happy ending (assuming we can slap some sense into Ian), but as I said, it's ultimately up to Mina to keep it going or end it. Our job is to be patient until we can finally find out.
 
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It may be a late question, but i dont remenber where you first get the pillow talk/fantasies of mina. Can someone tell me??
 
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