VN - Ren'Py - Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5] [Mutt & Jeff]

As I wrote in the discussion thread, I stumbled over this gem of an eroge by pure chance. I was very postively surprised, because on first look I was not sure if it would fit my taste. But wow, it does with great artwork, meaningful choices and good characters. If you like well-written erotic games and like/can stand some of the kinks shown, it is a Must play!

Pro:
-Great artwork, showing what is possible with HS/AiS graphics
-Main character has a background and you can play him in many styles, good, pragmatic, perverted and in-between.
-good choice of music pieces, no Wagner or Verdi, but a step above the usual elevator singsang you find in so many erotic (and often normal) games. I find the Tango piece quite nice to listen to
-best friend of MC is no simple add-on, but has impact on the story in how we treat the bromance
-the female cast has several very wellmade characters, e.g. Hana, Mina, Kath or Felicia, with traits and motivations outside the standard for many games
-I am partly disgusted by some of the characters, both male and female, which I find is great writing in action, because you cannot be disgusted by cardboards
-great, slightly Noir, storyline with choices which have meaningful impact

Con:
-some players might be put off by the things depicted during the game, those looking for instant gratification will not find it here
-compared to the women, the MC´s avatar is about ok looking, but that is likely a thing because HS is used for art, which has more limited options for the males

This game can be more disgusting.
though I'll finish this game,but the part of punishment...Seriously?
Sorry I don't buy it,not enjoy one bit of it.
And from point of view I like Veronica whom has strong willpower & body shape makes me dislike those more.
I know it's a strong point of view,but it is what it is.

Love the Character design/the music and storyline(somewhat)
but just can't bear some low level plot.

People who hesitate to try this one?
I'll say see for yourself,whether some may enjoy or dislike,
it's all part of process until discover by oneself.
HAVE FUN!

This is one of the greats on this site. It is both depraved and full of kinks of all sorts. But at the same time it has layers of story that unlike other games build on one another. That the main character is more than a blank slate is a great plus. There is also parallels in that both you and the girls are roped in the same way, even though he hasn't really seen it yet. Writing is great, both storywise and grammatically, something not always present even in good games. The only small negative I could nitpick is the artstyle, mc looks like generic Japan 3d male no 1. But that's a small concern in this great game.

I expected to find a tale only about depravation and sex when I opened this game for the first time, instead I found a tale about kinks, struggles with desires and most importantly characters.
You know when a game is good when even the male characters are incredible.
From Killian the best friend of the MC who starts the story to all the other patrons.
The main character is phenomenal, he struggles between being sadistic or normal, he isn't your standard boring mc pervert, he has actual motivations, internal problems and doubt.
Sex scenes are great, there all things you could expect to the weirdest kinks to the simple one.
Also female characters take the cake, they are not sex dolls, some of them even feel real.
The writing is amazing and so are the choiches, evey move you make feels natural and genuine, with lots of variations, and even when you decline sex, it doesn't feel like you avoided a sex scene, it feels natural, like another possible path.
I am looking forward for the updates, this game is a marvel, and I highly recommend it.

When I first started playing this I was put off by the character models (especially the males) as the style wasn't something I was used to. However, once I got used to them I realized how great of a game this was. Pale Carnations has refreshingly different art from most Ren'Py games and offers the player a wide variety of choices/character backgrounds which actually have a big impact on the game.

I would say that this is the most immersive game I have played on this site and it makes my heart warm with some of the interactions between MC and the girls. The writing, renders and animations are of top quality that cannot be matched easily by other wonderful games F95 provided.

Pale Carnations is a real gem. You are an aspiring medical student, and your best friend recommends you for a job at the night club where he works. During the interview you find out it really is a high end brothel. However, after a few days on the job, you see that its more than your typical sex club, whose beautiful middle-aged owner, Kathleen, specializes in finding down on their luck women, in order to entice them to humiliate themselves with progressively more degrading treatment, in the hopes of winning a prize that will solve a major problem in their lives.

This is quite the setup, but it really works here. You get to know several of the sexy women candidates, and then participate in their degradation. Are you helping them navigate their difficult situation, so that they come out on top, with a well-deserved reward? Or do you slowly become corrupted yourself, and become a willing participant in the degradation and humiliation of the women in the club?

The dialog in Pale Carnations is really very good. You slowly start to see more and more depth to the characters as this game progresses. I love how each character does not fit into the little box that they would inhabit in most games here. The MC himself starts out as the blank-slate "good-guy" that I see in many games here, but with time, you can see how he can subtly change based on his choices throughout the game.

Every other character starts out seeming like one thing, but expands from that simple definition more and more as the game continues. Rosalind starts out as the "mother type", but is showing more and more signs of inner power, which you can see flashes of in some scenes. It is still early, but I can tell that we will see more and more of her true motivations with time. Felicia, the "easy" character, starts out looking like the spurned wife, but despite her vivacious nature, there is a fierce intelligence behind her eyes.

Veronica, a hard bodied fitness club owner, while I didn't like her character much at first, grows on you. She seemed one-dimensional at the start, and I am not usually into muscular, overly dominant women, but she slowly starts to open up, and you can see that she is struggling with her inner nature, which isn't just a need for dominance, and it is fun to see. And Kathleen, the club owner and manager, what a well written character. You start off thinking of her as a business woman, then you see her sadism start to show, but I still get the sense that there is more behind her character than we are seeing. I hope that we can see a little more of her background, to understand her better, and see that there is more depth to her motivations, and that she can show other qualities as well. I am not clear yet, for example, if the MC can help her grow as a character, past her sadistic and selfish tendencies, but I would love to see this. Her character has great potential. Even the relationship with Killian, your best friend, is great. Usually all male characters in these games are sidelined immediately, but I can tell that there is real affection between the MC and Killian, and he is a good foil to play against, good-naturedly. Plus, he is a pretty great wingman at times.

I could go on and on (too late, haha), but my overall point is that the writing is excellent, and the complexity of most of the characters is far above what I typically see in other VNs here, even ones that I like that I consider top-tier. Great job to the devs for turning what could have been a straightforward story, with cliched stock characters, into something much more interesting, where each character reveals more and more depth and growth as the game progresses.

The graphics are surprisingly great. Don't get turned off by the Honey Select graphics. Normally, I mostly stick with DAZ games because of the better graphics and realism, but there are a few HS games I enjoy a lot due to the story. I thought another popular HS-based game had the gold medal for pushing the HS graphics quality as far as possible but the Pale Carnations devs have have done an amazing job making the graphics stand out here. This game has the best HS-based graphics I've seen. I really don't know how they do it. Clearly with lots of mods, but I am very surprised by the high graphics quality they were able to achieve with HS graphics. They have also done a great job with character design, making each character look unique and outside the typical HS mold.

Finally I have to mention the sex scenes. I usually play these games for the story, with the sex scenes as a fun bonus, and something to look forward to eventually, but the dialog, story, and character growth is what drives me to play these games and holds the most sway for me in how much I enjoy the game. So for me, character comes first, then dialog is a close second, then story, and then finally the sex scenes. Some of my favorite games don't have the best sex scene mechanics, or visuals, but with Pale Carnations, the sex scenes here are very good. The combination of choices of the MC, the women's budding personalities showing through, and the situation itself, make the sex scenes very hot.

All in all, Pale Carnations was a very pleasant surprise, and I enjoyed playing it immensely. The devs have really made something special, and I very much look forward to seeing how things progress with each of the characters, and how the MC guides his character, based on the choices and directions he goes in the game.

This is really well done! Easily one of the best games I've played here.
The constant sexual tension throughout this game is just nuts.

The excellent build up is rewarded by equally satisfying h scenes. You usually only get one or the other - or none of it - in other games.

A big thank you to the dev team!
This will be one of my all time favorites.

This guy definitely studies Literature, or at least he's quite the poet. Using plosives, fricatives, imagery, synaesthesia and even other underrated literary devices, he delivers the lines perfectly.

Looking forward to seeing how this story ends. I've gone to from touching my dick to savoring each line. Amazing.

Pros:

- Graphics are unique, and facial expressions as well as body language are micro-managed and specifically detailed to the letter
- Game actually has fitting music
- Characters have depth, and each with their own lives that can feel realistic (despite the bizarre setting)
- Good English, did I mention how grateful I am for this?
- Meaningful choices and not the false sense of choice most games out there give

Cons:

- If you're not into NTR/Swinging, I wouldn't recommend this, the problem with this game is that the characters are all mature, and the setting of the entire game is set in this extremely dystopian world divorced from your average wholesome and rose-tinted world - ironically, this makes it more realistic than ever, especially given our current depraved society. However, because the characters are so well fleshed out, and the graphics and events are so well crafted, I can't help but fall in love with them, despite the fact that there is that itching feeling of disgust at the back of my head for some of these characters. I don't know, it's a strange feeling. I would usually avoid any kind of game that has to do with sharing/training the characters to serve other men, but for some reason, I don't mind doing so in this game. Paradoxically, I try my best to not get too attached to any of them, at the same time, I can't help but be so. Anyway, play at your own risk.

- Incomplete. A lot of good games get abandoned, but we'll see.

An excellent game with the right blend of sex and story that keeps things moving along at a good pace yet still good for an isolated wank. I look forward to each release. Devs are doing a bang up job.

I held off on this gem for a very long time purely due to the Honey Select graphics but in a fit of boredom gave it a go.

Wow! What a game!
I consider myself a fairly open minded and jaded pervert sophisticated person but some of these perversions had me taking notes. There is a lot more nuance to the main characters than many games and the plot is fairly original.

Give it a go, the graphics style grows on you and the rest of the game is a masterpiece.

I'm eagerly awaiting more...

Excellent visuals and storytelling combined with a solid soundtrack. Characters are well designed and interesting and there is something for everyone. A wide range of fetishes, body types, personalities, and scenarios all fit seamlessly into the in game universe. The game is a ton of fun to play

EDIT: I played the game again. Boy was I wrong. This game is amazing. Edwin is a true alpha male. He's a lady's man. He knows what's up! He is a god among men. I'm so glad I replayed the game. Just goes to show that a little patience goes a long way! What's really cool is that despite Edwin fucking so many women through out his suave life, he's got a really good friend named Killian. Although, Kilian doesn't have as much game as Edwin, but he's a loyal friend. That's so hard to find in life.

This great club recognizes how much of a pimp you are and recruits you, and a bunch of wild stuff happens! Trust me, you'll love this. What's great is that the start of the game even shows your mom there as your support. Like, she really helps you become a strong man who knows how to get the ladies. The best mom.

I need to really reiterate this. What's really convincing is how well it fits that someone like Edwin would be invited to join such a club. It makes PERFECT sense given Edwin's backstory. If you look at all the men working at the club, they're JUST like Edwin in appearance, style and personality. Edwin is a natural fit. It just makes so much damn sense. Good writing like this is so hard to find.

There's a reason why the game has so many positive reviews. My review reflects that momentum of great reviews. The game really hits all the right spots if you're into this content. At least try it if you're on the fence. Even consider supporting the game on patreon. Long live Edwin the sex god!

Story 1/5: Story wants me to believe that a club run by alpha males want Edwin the cuck to join them, but this makes no sense. It would make more sense if the club blackmailed Edwin into working for them, while prostituting out his mother, while the women of the club dominate Edwin sexually. Why? Edwin is a weak fool, no confidence, no game, just a complete and utter failure of a man who doesn't know how to get laid. Perhaps if the game presented itself as a MAN maker simulator. How to convert a pussy into a man, then it would be better.

I may have missed any mention of Edwin having combat experience to knock a guy out during the story? The problem is the dialogue is so boring, you could miss important details. Maybe the story did mention that he knows how to fight, but I missed that part. It's just not believable that this passive mama's boy could knock anyone out.
EDIT: The story does mention he can fight, but it's just not believable this weakling could pull that off. The game should strive to convince you that this failure of a man is somehow capable of combat.

Read on. Killian would've made a much better MC.

Character Development: 0/5 - It makes zero sense that Edwin the cuck could ever manage to get his dick inside a vagina. ZERO, none. It's not believable that this giant failure of a man could ever manage to get laid, unless of course he managed to become a doctor, in which the only reason a woman would let him fuck her, is so she can get his money.

Edwin is a beta male cuck. Here's proof:
- He's a mama's boy. The game shows this in the beginning. He does what his mama tells him like a good boy. That should make him a natural submissive masochist, but the game instead tries to portray him as dominant, but it falls flat completely in that regard. It's simply not believable that this chump could get his dick inside a woman. It makes more sense for him to listen to what women tell him to do. He's a natural submissive.
- In the beginning of the game, it's established that Edwin cannot get laid without his friend Killian. Killian is an alpha male. He knows how to get women. It would make far more sense to play the game as Killian for the dominant path, but make it so choosing to play as Edwin leads to the NTR, Cuck, submissive path, where he constantly gets beat up because he's such a pussy milksop.
- Edwin watches a girl get gangbanged in the beginning on the internet, while sitting at his computer.
- Edwin is such a cuck, that he'll strip down to his underwear, looking like a complete fool, while other men remain more clothed than him. A lot of people don't understand the clothing power dynamic, so this might fly over peoples head. Long story short, Edwin should strive to remain fully clothed during strip poker, while getting everyone else stripped, so the clothing power dynamic remains in his favor. Instead, Killian is the one who wears the pants by the end of the strip poker, because Kilian is the one who knows what's up.

The game should let you chose who you want to play as:
- Edwin: Submissive, cuckold, NTR, masochist path, leading to Edwin getting femdommed by the women.
- Killian: Dominant, alpha male, sadist path, where Killian dominates all the women.

Music 5/5 - Music is top notch and plays at the right time to capture the energy of a scene. Very well done.

Programming 5/5 - The game is technically well made.

Erotic Content 5/5 - The game is rather vanilla, but it does a good job of presenting eroticism with basic vanilla sex scene content. Unfortunately, Edwin's character isn't convincing that he could ever manage to get his dick inside a woman, unless he paid for it. Edwin basically ruined the game for me. Basically, if I could play as Killian, not Edwin, then the entire game would make ten times more sense. The sex scenes are damn good.

The exhibitionism is too controlled. BDSM in uncontrolled areas, like a public nightclub or public bar, is far more exciting. Carnation club is private club. The sex shows are just boring. There's no tension, no conflict. It just happens without any real purpose, so the scene feels empty, but the renders are somewhat erotic, so there's at least that, but you won't get any deep mind fucks here.

There's too much writing in most cases to the point where it kills the erotic momentum. In other words, there will be a few minutes of erotic content, but then a long string of boring text over 20 minutes that kills the erotic mood, then when you finally get to another sex scene, you're bored to death from the dialogue.

I would bump up to five stars if the game either:
A) Let's me play as Killian.
B) Adds a submissive, masochistic, cuckold ,NTR, femdom path for Edwin, so Edwin can realize how pathetic he is and get cheated on, cucked, and eventually his mom ends up working at the club, and he watches her get fucked by better men.

Hear me out. Play the game. Imagine you were Killian, not Edwin. The game would be ten times better. Killian is a lot more fun. Killian is the kind of guy who would do some really really kinky shit to the women. Edwin? Not so much. Edwin would be far better on his knees letting the women piss on him.

I'm not too interested at first because of anime style, but I read a few good review somewhere that this avn is one of the best, so I try it. And I'm glad I did. Here's my review.

* Renders and animations 9/10, one of the best I've seen in anime style, renders are very beautiful and detailed, lots of unique scenery and well done face expressions. Animations improving very smooth at later chapters.

* Story and plot 10/10, story is very good, maybe not for everyone because of prostitution and extreme sexual kink, but it also have very lovely romance plot. The writing is superb and clever, make you thirst for more.

* Character and personality 10/10, very well written, every character is very much alive and like real people, some you'll love, or hate, or take pity so much.

* Lewd scene 9/10, very hot for vanilla scenes, and lots of different kink, even some extreme sexual scenes that I've never seen or think before.

* Gameplay 8/10, there's few free roam, but easy to navigate, and no grinding needed, which is very good.

Cons?
I don't know this is count as cons or not, but the story and characters are so well written, sometime make me feel uneasy and hard to look at when some of the girls experience humiliation scenes, so I said again this avn may not for everyone. But as long as there is no rape or real violence to the girls, it's fine for me.

Overall, this avn is a masterpiece, if you like it, you'll love it. Lastly, it's unfair there are some cheap porn avn with boring story and crap renders get large support than this masterpiece, I hope pale carnations get a lot more support, because the devs clearly deserve it.

I personally did not like the game at all (and stopped playing early on), as the setup and sex acts were too .. violating? unpleasant? for me to enjoy, and the story not interesting enough to continue nevertheless.

I still give it four stars, as I think it is well made; the art, writing and story all seem fine.

So I think the game is for you if you have no issues with really unkind BDSM scenes (and the usual weird HS male models).

There's not an awful lot to add to the praise already given, all of which is abundantly earned. There really aren't more than two, maybe three, other games around here which equal or come close to Pale Carnations and none which betters it.

The significant characters actually feel real, or as real as they can get in games like this, and they're all distict and different, not just slight variations over a theme, as is the norm. That alone is a significant feat.

The dialogue is superb: very well written, realistic, adult and not in the least artificial. It could have been snagged from real life and pasted into the game. That's an incredibly, incredibly rare thing and as much as anything is what keeps me coming back.

The action....well, the action is deliciously depraved and most imaginative. Pretty far out there, but not so far you feel it couldn't possibly happen. Hell, maybe it does - what do I know, sheltered snowflake that I am.

The thing I'm least enamoured with is the male models. The incongruity of the weird euro-japanese faces and their Western names is mentally bothersome and subtracts from the totality. Not to mention that they look really weird, in case I didn't mention that. Oh, and they're generally quite ugly too. The ladies, on the other hand, look just fine and not like some seriously unfortunate mix of ethnicities.

Despite said weirdness this is very obviously worth five stars - at least - and I really, REALLY look forward to following the story to its climax.

This game is mind blowingly good. One of the few games here that's so damn professional and deep that I'm probably headed over to Patreon to contribute. The smut is extremely smutty, in a good way, and they've thought of deep details too - like how some women have pussy hair where it makes sense and makes them hotter, instead of slavishly bowing to all the porn victims who demand hairless barbie everything, something a hair lover like me appreciates. Beyond that, the characters are actual characters, and the story of each of them is something you care about. There's evil, there's good, there's the whole gamut. Try it, then hit up the Patreon, this game and this team are one of the few that really deserve that. Outstanding.

Have you grown tired of the classic dating sim game where hours of gameplay culminates in you "just" fucking the love interest? Are you looking for something more than vanilla sex scenes? Are you worried that you porn game interest is creating a spiraling level of tolerance to lewd content where you need to find increasing and increasingly deviant scenes to get your rocks off?

Well then Pale Carnations is the game for you! You play as a young man starting a new job at a depraved sex club. The game throws you into the action quickly and despite only being a couple hours of gameplay so far, it hits on a wide array of great kins. Heavy heavy submission, humiliation, piss play, and incest to name a few. It may even give you some kinks you didn't even know you had! I have never watched water boarding porn before, but the scene in this game was pretty hot.

It is also a really well made game. Solid writing, believable characters despite the slightly absurd world, and a great branching narrative where you choices have consequence. I usually am not a fan of this engine for animation, however the renders and scenes are gorgeous, I especially love the characters big and innocent eyes.

Jumped near the top of my favorite games in development and I will eagerly await updates.

Good renders, great story, tons of kinky sex acts to see, and great replay value. I like the different paths one can take with all the girls. I honestly don't know how this flew under my radar for so long. Everyone should check this game out!

This game is probably the most underrated god-tier game on the site. It uses an engine that I think we can all agree is sometimes utilized to poor effect. That's not remotely true in this case. This game is well-designed from a coding perspective. It's clean as hell. Great UIs. The profile section is great in that it updates as you go along, foreshadowing what might be ahead. The story is remarkable. Characters feel unique and fleshed out. I feel drawn to them in very real sense because of the story the developer sets up. You get a background. They feel different from each other. You get different things from them. It's a unique story in its overall plot. Decisions can be, at times, limiting, but it's not heavy on it, and you feel you have opportunities to make up for that down the road. Sound is good. It's one of few games I've kept sound on for because this game does a great job of setting an atmosphere. You look at, for example, the rock show. The sound. The transitions. The shaking of the screen to the beat. It feels great! The language used is almost always perfect grammar, which does add a lot and helps build the suspension of disbelief. This game is god-tier and deserves the entire community's support. Congrats to the dev staff here.