Paying for incomplete games

[ChrisHaze]

Itch.io seems to be a site with a lot more games, but too bad they force you to pay.
Am I the only person who refuses to pay for a game until it's complete? I feel like we've moved into a world with many, many, gullible horny dumbasses.

I mean take Ecchi Sensi for example, how long has it been since an update? like a year? feels like maybe 2? and how many of you dumbasses are still paying for it? I think I read in the Ecchi Sensi thread that they make thousands every month and haven't put out shit, I can't and won't verify this as a fact, I'll leave that up to you.

It's insane, I debate for days whether I should by a fucking phone game or not and I can't morally bring myself to pay for a game that isn't 100% guaranteed to be complete.

I don't understand programming so Idk, I see a lot of people say if devs don't make money they can't update... but why? are the programs they use monthly subscriptions or something? What is stopping them from proceeding without our money? I'm genuinely curious. and correct me if I'm wrong and call me names and facepalm me or just delete my post (like you usually do) but am I wrong? I get that everybody has different fetishes and some people will pay outrageous amounts to watch a girl fart on a piece of toast or something, but even for my fetishes(very vanilla and occasionl ntr(without the blackmail and rape) I guess) I can't bring myself to pay, I was going to pay for Ecchi Sensi and something like Heros Guild or whatever( forgot the name it's been so long) but both apparently have been abandoned as money grabs(less sure about HG) idk sorry for the rant I'm just drunk and remembered ES and HG and got sad and mad.

All my point really is, is if you give me a complete game that I'll enjoy then I will gladly give you like 10 to 50 bucks depending on the length and quality. Obviously I'd never pay monthly, that's just fucking absurd. I don't pay monthly for AAA games so why would I for sex games? Please berate me how you feel...

Holy hell that's a lot of words, how did I type that so fast, drunk... oh well, sorry for the rant again, there will be no second drafts!!

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

It's fine if you support devs who are consistent and transparent, with regular updates monthly or even weekly. Not "update will be out when it's done, but it'll be a big one, I promise".

I don't understand programming so Idk, I see a lot of people say if devs don't make money they can't update... but why? are the programs they use monthly subscriptions or something? What is stopping them from proceeding without our money?

Depends on the project. If art has to be commissioned (I think this is more often the case for 2D games), obviously that costs cash-monies. For 3D games, maybe the one dev can do everything but it's even more time-consuming (time which could be spent earning money at a job), and assets may have to be bought.

 

[Avaron1974]

I don't pay monthly for AAA games so why would I for sex games?

Those devs are employed by studios, the devs for adult games are usually amateurs that occasionally rely on their games to pay the bills.

It's silly for a number of reasons and it's one reason I give some devs on here a lot of shit.

This is not a career, it isn't. I don't give a shit how much work it is, how many sleepless nights they have it's a hobby. Nobody is employing them, they are working for themselves. Any money they get is from donations not wages.

The problem then arises that some devs seem to think it's easy money and when they don't make that money they abandon ship.

The hard truth is very few devs will ever be able to call this a job. Only a few will ever make enough money to do it full time and make a living from it.

A select few will make a hell of a lot of money.

The majority will make a bit of pocket change that would go alongside the wages from a full time job nicely. The majority will earn roughly between 100 to 1k a month, give or take, before taxes.

Quite a few won't make shit.

Simply put, if you are making a game with the express purpose of making money, you fucked up.

If you are making a game and expect people to pay you just because you put some effort in, you fucked up.

More importantly, and my personal pet peeve, if you start making a game and don;t earn what you think you deserve so abandon it and start another to try and make money with that, you not only fucked up but seriously pissed off damn near everyone and shat on your own chances of ever building support. Nobody, not a single person with any sense will ever back a dev that does that. That's the BrightSunStudio method and it didn't work for him nor will it work for anyone else. Seriously, stop doing it. If you're a dev that's done this (i'm looking at you SilkandMilkProductions) you fucked up.

It takes a long time to builf up a player base. It could take 2 or 3 games before people start supporting a dev. That's 2 or 3 completed games not 2 or 3 abandoned games.

As for paying for these games. I've bought quite a few on Steam and a few through Itch. I rarely ever use Patron and can't use things like Subscribestar because my payment methods have blacklisted it and I only trust PayPal with my online payments.

I don't like paying for incomplete or early access games but there are some devs that I trust so don't mind.

 

[Diabowlique]

The labor cost of developing adult content is at a premium. You just can't compare a normal game on steam to it.

Think about it. They're just so many disincentives.

- Basically no investment opportunities, govt funds, or startup/indie funding options.
- Most mainstream third-party services won't do business with you, the few that do will hide/downrank/censor your content or/and charge a premium for 'high-risk'.
- Little to no ability to market or get any kind of visibility. The only places that do usually will be pirate sites which means a lower view-to-customer conversion.
- All your work can be banned at any time. Especially if you do non-vanilla content.
- Potential heavy social cost depending on the culture you live in if it becomes known. Can put a strain on relationships.
- Little of your work has secondary marketable benefits. Unlikely you can put your work on your work history for example.

And that's not even counting the normal project development issues, burnout, or getting the ongoing funds needed to make such an endeavor worth your time. That's why nearly all make adult games as a side hobby.

Whether you think what they're asking is worth it or not is up to you. But it's not the same as making a normal game.

 

[moskis22]

I am one of those that refuses to pay for an incompleted game, but every one spend his own money as they want to
- if you know what you are paying for and you want, there is no problem, you should know the risk that a game may be abandoned or turn in something that you don't like
- most of those developers are indie companies or even a single person, they can't afford making a game without monetary income
So if you(anyone) have spare money and want to support a dev, it's fine

 

[Deleted member 4743341]

Now, you pay in the hopes of seeing a game conclude.

At some point, you'll pay for an idea of a game; then, for the idea of someone making a game.

 

[Winterfire]

You are not paying to buy a game, you are paying to support the developer and their projects.

You must be registered to see the links

It has always been a thing, nothing new.

 

[MLocke]

You don't pay. You pirate. Complain after you've paid unless you are forming a protest. If so, you should ask for donations. Also, you should protest the big studios because they treat you worse by remaking the same game over and over. When you are age 20, they are pretty much making a "sequel" / reboot for your 10 year old cousin. Amateurs attracted subs / followers because they were supposed to buck the system and make something new. The only thing I would add is that patrons were stereotypically a rich guy that needed clout and would adopt a lucky artist. I think crowdfunding is something new. Things were supposed to evolve again when adult games started selling on marketplaces like Steam.

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

At some point, you'll pay for an idea of a game; then, for the idea of someone making a game.

Way ahead of you.

 

[clero]

I supported a game developer, I never received an answer when I asked him things, I had to wait 2 years and the game wasn't finished (it's not finished even now), I still wanted to support the project because I liked the style and NSFW contents. But the developer stopped producing NSFW and focused on story and gameplay instead.

I felt a bit scammed, but who cares. That's what happens with patreon almost always.

 

[Winterfire]

I supported a game developer, I never received an answer when I asked him things, I had to wait 2 years and the game wasn't finished (it's not finished even now), I still wanted to support the project because I liked the style and NSFW contents. But the developer stopped producing NSFW and focused on story and gameplay instead.

I felt a bit scammed, but who cares. That's what happens with patreon almost always.

Don't throw your money blindly.
You could have asked a question first, then sub later.

As for taking longer than 2 years, I can see that happening, game developing can be difficult and time consuming, and there's nothing wrong with focusing on story and gameplay... NSFW without context is boring, and he's making a game, not writing comics.

 

[kristijanEX]

I never looked at it as supporting incomplete games, rather as supporting devs that I trust to finish the game and then continue making new projects.

 

[clero]

Don't throw your money blindly.
You could have asked a question first, then sub later.

As for taking longer than 2 years, I can see that happening, game developing can be difficult and time consuming, and there's nothing wrong with focusing on story and gameplay... NSFW without context is boring, and he's making a game, not writing comics.

Sure I agree. The doctor never asked me to pay online people, it was my choice. I am just saying that I think this is common. As for the "NSFW needs a story", I strongly disagree. Most hentais are based on a simple script. It's the story that makes games boring, in general. Every game that focuses on a story, turns out a failure, look at Halo for example an utter failure.

Most people started to ask "if I have to suffer a boring scifi story, why not reading top grade AAA literature instead?", and it's true. Most people want games, to game. And in terms of NSFW, people want NSFW contents, and of course there can be a little script to define the general idea of the situation.

 

[Winterfire]

Sure I agree. The doctor never asked me to pay online people, it was my choice. I am just saying that I think this is common. As for the "NSFW needs a story", I strongly disagree. Most hentais are based on a simple script. It's the story that makes games boring, in general. Every game that focuses on a story, turns out a failure, look at Halo for example an utter failure.

Most people started to ask "if I have to suffer a boring scifi story, why not reading top grade AAA literature instead?", and it's true. Most people want games, to game. And in terms of NSFW, people want NSFW contents, and of course there can be a little script to define the general idea of the situation.

Fair enough, it's your personal preference. As for me, I need a story to be able to enjoy a game, and not just a dumbed down story just to make the hentai exist either.

 

[clero]

Fair enough, it's your personal preference. As for me, I need a story to be able to enjoy a game, and not just a dumbed down story just to make the hentai exist either.

Check my short script:

Characters: Delia Ketchum and Drowzee.

Story: Delia Ketchum is under hypnosis, in her mind she's thinking that she met an Evee pokemon down the street and she's feeding him in her home. What happened for real, is that a wild drowzee with a tremendously large penis with warts and huge veins is fucking her relentlessly every single day, multiple times every day.

Delia is under hypnosis and doesn't notice all the brutal hardcore fucking that drowzee does to her.

Cutscene...

Here we have Delia and she's pregnant, some time passed. Delia is still under Hypnosis, she has a pregnant belly. She thinks she's carrying a human baby, little does she know that she will spawn a pokemon egg.

There you have it. An hentai script ready for animation. It's short, it's OK and can cover all the needs of an hentai backstory. There are no dialogue sequences as you can see. It's easy.

 

[Winterfire]

Check my short script:

Characters: Delia Ketchum and Drowzee.

Story: Delia Ketchum is under hypnosis, in her mind she's thinking that she met an Evee pokemon down the street and she's feeding him in her home. What happened for real, is that a wild drowzee with a tremendously large penis with warts and huge veins is fucking her relentlessly every single day, multiple times every day.

Delia is under hypnosis and doesn't notice all the brutal hardcore fucking that drowzee does to her.

Cutscene...

Here we have Delia and she's pregnant, some time passed. Delia is still under Hypnosis, she has a pregnant belly. She thinks she's carrying a human baby, little does she know that she will spawn a pokemon egg.

There you have it. An hentai script ready for animation. It's short, it's OK and can cover all the needs of an hentai backstory. There are no dialogue sequences as you can see. It's easy.

Yeah I am sorry, that'd be boring to me. I'd just go on pornhub at that point

 

[nicod]

i hate something called incomplete game

AAA games cost from 30 USD to 60 USD

i hope some good group decide to make their complete games soon before they publish it

 

[Nordic Succubus]

Are you saying most AAA games are actually completed after they start selling it? So Cyberpunk 2077 was just a nightmare then?

 

[ChrisHaze]

Are you saying most AAA games are actually completed after they start selling it? So Cyberpunk 2077 was just a nightmare then?

Good point, been a serious drop in quality for AAA games recently, money hungry trash.

 

[ChrisHaze]

I don't like paying for incomplete or early access games but there are some devs that I trust so don't mind.

That's the problem though, Ecchi Sensei was trustable at first, they had regular releases for a while. How do I know this already trustable dev will stay trustable? I just don't. AH oh well, it's not as big a deal as I felt it was last night lol.