VN Ren'Py Peace of Mind: Watcher's Eye [Prologue Day 3] [Silent J Games]

[rafa30]

You just need to play until you get to them and make them aunt and cousin.
It will happen as you play.

thank you

 

[JoeTheMC84]

Does that mean no TMI? or you don't care about people that care about it? (I'm leaning towards no TMI)

It means no TMI.

 

[AVNstory]

At EVERY turn, you were given the option to BE or NOT TO BE, in the relationship with any of the girls.

You, the player, are the one setting it up. If you don't want an Harem, don't have one. He slept around? Only if you choose their path.

Before you chose them, there's no mention of them sleeping around.

So, you can remove that "hate" and go back to absolutely loving this, because you were the architect of your own displeasure.

Oh, and... take responsibility.

Peace

First of all I have to say that I am not hating this game not in any way. I think I maybe misunderstanding things after reading your post. I was talking about the past not the present or the future. But what about the following:

1. Melanie - She strips down in front of MC casually for a bath and asks him to join indicating that they may have done this before even if MC declines.
2. Hailey - When she first arrives she directly kisses him and from the dialogues it was clear that it was not the first time. And in the car before even the choice to continue relationship with her she clearly states she has only been with MC and gave him her first.
3. Mia
4. April

Oh, and for your information I do know to take responsibility of my actions. No need for personal attacks here. This is a mere discussion as I said before I am not attacking or hating the game, nor the dev in any way. I absolutely loved this except for one thing which I have explained above.

 

[a1fox3]

First of all I have to say that I am not hating this game not in any way. I think I maybe misunderstanding things after reading your post. I was talking about the past not the present or the future. But what about the following:

1. Melanie - She strips down in front of MC casually for a bath and asks him to join indicating that they may have done this before even if MC declines.
2. Hailey - When she first arrives she directly kisses him and from the dialogues it was clear that it was not the first time. And in the car before even the choice to continue relationship with her she clearly states she has only been with MC and gave him her first.
3. Mia
4. April

Oh, and for your information I do know to take responsibility of my actions. No need for personal attacks here. This is a mere discussion as I said before I am not attacking or hating the game, nor the dev in any way. I absolutely loved this except for one thing which I have explained above.

Maybe only Melanie had sex before she got with MC but after that she has only done it with MC.
Yes Hailey had things only with MC before the story started. (This may have been the reason for MC to move to this house.)
As for Mia and April if they had sex before the story stated then it was only with MC as far as I can tell.

The canon for this story is the relationship for the 3 you can set, aunt and 2 cousins.
I will have to replay and read slower when the next update comes out to make sure of this but that is the way I see it at this time.

 

[FatGiant]

First of all I have to say that I am not hating this game not in any way. I think I maybe misunderstanding things after reading your post. I was talking about the past not the present or the future. But what about the following:

1. Melanie - She strips down in front of MC casually for a bath and asks him to join indicating that they may have done this before even if MC declines.
2. Hailey - When she first arrives she directly kisses him and from the dialogues it was clear that it was not the first time. And in the car before even the choice to continue relationship with her she clearly states she has only been with MC and gave him her first.
3. Mia
4. April

Oh, and for your information I do know to take responsibility of my actions. No need for personal attacks here. This is a mere discussion as I said before I am not attacking or hating the game, nor the dev in any way. I absolutely loved this except for one thing which I have explained above.

What more obvious way do you need a woman to tell you that they have a long standing history and an ongoing relationship than when she casually undresses in front of you to go take a bath. Why do you need any more explanations? The casual act of intimacy, says a LOT more than a long and winding explanation and story.

To know how relevant that is, she could simply leave the room, dressed and undress in the bathroom, saying only she was going to shower. But, no. She chose to undress right in front of you, casually and without affectation, saying with that action that it wasn't the first time, that she was comfortable and safe doing it, that she wanted you to see, then extended and invitation for you to join her on the shower.

Hailey? She jumped onto your arms, kissed you. In public. That wasn't just a happy reunion. That was a statement. It told us instantly that she's yours. No need for further long written statements. She was, with that simple jump into your arms, claiming you publicly, offering herself, telling us all what is the status of their relationship. Ongoing and intimate.

I completely subscribe to the motto of "Show don't tell" that makes sense only in Visual mediums. This is a novel, sure, but it is a Visual one. You can tell more in an image than with a thousand words, like Melanie undressing, or Hailey kiss.

Peace

 

[BigJoe644]

Planned tags:
Spoiler

Virgin, Sleep Sex (Consensual), Spanking, Light Corruption, Sexual Harassment, Hand Job, Pregnancy (Avoidable), Interracial, School Setting (College), Drugs (More of a tool used by antagonist), Voyeurism (If can be done in a non-creepy way),

I guess, Automatic Creampies means Avoidances/Avoidable for pregnancy, Huh? No Red Flag there at all .

Options: Needed if Pregnancy is (Avoidable). , Give you Example "My Dorm" in terms of option placement

Better than average start to AVN story wise. Finally different love interest models.

With no "Options" to Finalized sex scenes mainly to Avoid Pregnancy If the audience wishes to do so. I have no trust in those early scenes that pregnancy wouldn't transpire. Don't get me wrong I want pregnancy in the stories I read, well I'd like to have the "Option" to do so more.

I think I should have just allowed this one to cook a little longer before given this one a try.

Good luck going forward Silent J. Games.

 

[Lucid Lancer]

Seeing lesbian/bi under the "Not gonna happen so don't ask for this" headline by the dev is so fucking ridiculously rare in a vn that it's like witnessing magic, i reloaded the page 3 damn times just to make sure it wasn't any funny error. And i'm sincerely glad that it was not.
I'll be following this very enthusiastically. Best of luck to you dev.

 

[Silent_J_Dev]

Planned tags:
Spoiler

Virgin, Sleep Sex (Consensual), Spanking, Light Corruption, Sexual Harassment, Hand Job, Pregnancy (Avoidable), Interracial, School Setting (College), Drugs (More of a tool used by antagonist), Voyeurism (If can be done in a non-creepy way),

I guess, Automatic Creampies means Avoidances/Avoidable for pregnancy, Huh? No Red Flag there at all .

Options: Needed if Pregnancy is (Avoidable). , Give you Example "My Dorm" in terms of option placement

Better than average start to AVN story wise. Finally different love interest models.

With no "Options" to Finalized sex scenes mainly to Avoid Pregnancy If the audience wishes to do so. I have no trust in those early scenes that pregnancy wouldn't transpire. Don't get me wrong I want pregnancy in the stories I read, well I'd like to have the "Option" to do so more.

I think I should have just allowed this one to cook a little longer before given this one a try.

Good luck going forward Silent J. Games.

Thanks for the input. Regarding your concern about the pregnancy content, it will always be optional. They could be on the pill or using the fabled rhythm. The story os progressing how it should to lay the foundation on what's to come, and there will be optional finishing moves in the future. But I need certain things to go down for a very specific purpose.

I hope that clears this up for you and anyone with the same concern.

 

[SARBASST]

What you get if you turn on NSFW???

 

[SARBASST]

I thought NSFW would mean like NTR&Rape, which I would love to see…

 

[JoeTheMC84]

What you get if you turn on NSFW???

The game comes standard "safe for work," with no sex scenes.
There is a code to unlock "not safe for work," where it unlocks the sex scenes.

I thought NSFW would mean like NTR&Rape, which I would love to see…

These tags are not going to happen.

 

[Silent_J_Dev]

I was already let down by no lesbian interactions, but can move on, but after reading multiple people talk about the explanation and how it is, I feel like I rather not get involved in this game. From the sounds of it, its too preachy and judgemental. I don't need that in a visual novel.

I came to play a visual novel, not get a dumb lecture on anti lesbian, what's next, politics? If it gets changed I would be happy to play this, if not oh well, I got other avns and I will probably just rate this 2 maybe 3 stars for what I played in past(Day 2) and move on.

I am going to take my time to address this one last time because, as I stated and feared, people are getting the wrong idea from other comments. The story/game/project always stated no lesbian content from day one. I gave a statement indicating that very scene with an explanation of my decision was coming soon. This is not me preaching, this is giving a reason to MY decision. What you do or don't do, like or don't like is entirely a YOU thing for which I WILL NEVER JUDGE ANYONE FOR. That's not and has never been the purpose of that scene. Is it an unheard of type of scene? No. Many scenes that involve straight girls turn bi have the by now norm scene of "Oh wow! I never knew it could be that great!" and we all accept it. This is my take on that. No preaching, no lecturing. It's just a scene. I never said lesbians yuck, sick, or whatever. It just says "not for me, thanks".

So let's drop it already. The story is much more than this one topic. I enjoy discussing different points of views. If valid ones they could shape the story in some degree, like a discussion I had with one of you about immersion that lead to the change in the first Mel option. But Not gonna happen means exactly that. I will not stand for slandering the purpose of a scene or the worth of this project for some few, misunderstanding a scene. Let's enjoy it for it is. If your sad or mad because of the lack of that content then I'm sorry, but don't call it out as something it is not. Let's drop any further discussion of this topic in this thread.

Thank you for your support.

 

[Silent_J_Dev]

The game comes standard "safe for work," with no sex scenes.
There is a code to unlock "not safe for work," where it unlocks the sex scenes.

These tags are not going to happen.

There is now a toggle in the options menu as well, for those who can't enter the code.

 

[AVNstory]

What more obvious way do you need a woman to tell you that they have a long standing history and an ongoing relationship than when she casually undresses in front of you to go take a bath. Why do you need any more explanations? The casual act of intimacy, says a LOT more than a long and winding explanation and story.

To know how relevant that is, she could simply leave the room, dressed and undress in the bathroom, saying only she was going to shower. But, no. She chose to undress right in front of you, casually and without affectation, saying with that action that it wasn't the first time, that she was comfortable and safe doing it, that she wanted you to see, then extended and invitation for you to join her on the shower.

Hailey? She jumped onto your arms, kissed you. In public. That wasn't just a happy reunion. That was a statement. It told us instantly that she's yours. No need for further long written statements. She was, with that simple jump into your arms, claiming you publicly, offering herself, telling us all what is the status of their relationship. Ongoing and intimate.

I completely subscribe to the motto of "Show don't tell" that makes sense only in Visual mediums. This is a novel, sure, but it is a Visual one. You can tell more in an image than with a thousand words, like Melanie undressing, or Hailey kiss.

Peace

I agree with you completely. But last time you said there was no indication that there was no indication that the MC slept around with the girls which is clearly there. I was merely pointing that out.

 

[JoeTheMC84]

I am going to take my time to address this one last time because, as I stated and feared, people are getting the wrong idea from other comments. The story/game/project always stated no lesbian content from day one. I gave a statement indicating that very scene with an explanation of my decision was coming soon. This is not me preaching, this is giving a reason to MY decision. What you do or don't do, like or don't like is entirely a YOU thing for which I WILL NEVER JUDGE ANYONE FOR. That's not and has never been the purpose of that scene. Is it an unheard of type of scene? No. Many scenes that involve straight girls turn bi have the by now norm scene of "Oh wow! I never knew it could be that great!" and we all accept it. This is my take on that. No preaching, no lecturing. It's just a scene. I never said lesbians yuck, sick, or whatever. It just says "not for me, thanks".

So let's drop it already. The story is much more than this one topic. I enjoy discussing different points of views. If valid ones they could shape the story in some degree, like a discussion I had with one of you about immersion that lead to the change in the first Mel option. But Not gonna happen means exactly that. I will not stand for slandering the purpose of a scene or the worth of this project for some few, misunderstanding a scene. Let's enjoy it for it is. If your sad or mad because of the lack of that content then I'm sorry, but don't call it out as something it is not. Let's drop any further discussion of this topic in this thread.

Thank you for your support.

This is such the thing about it. I've seen games where girls turn bi and if you don't want it the game directly insults you for not wanting lesbian stuff. This is probably the only game I've seen where a girls just say, "I'm not gay, why would I do gay stuff?" But the amount of games where it treated as normal for girls to turn bi and even games that directly insult players who opt out of lesbian stuff is really high. It wasn't even preachy, or anything. IT was a great scene and one of the best threesomes I've seen in any game.

 

[Vortex@]

Thanks for the input. Regarding your concern about the pregnancy content, it will always be optional. They could be on the pill or using the fabled rhythm. The story os progressing how it should to lay the foundation on what's to come, and there will be optional finishing moves in the future. But I need certain things to go down for a very specific purpose.

I hope that clears this up for you and anyone with the same concern.

Good answer. You can have the mc creampie them all day long and not get preggo till you actually put the yes or no variable in for the player to choose. Creampie doesn't mean auto preggo, you as the dev has to actually add the variables and scene

 

[Silent_J_Dev]

Why are you lying, You literally used the word "ewww" Then it sounds like the girl was testing us, "now you get it" like why even think that way. You literally go on a tangent during it. So what do you mean you don't say any of that. So yes it does feel judgy, yes it does feel preachy. This is the biggest problem, you are judging people who like this stuff. You don't want it in your game fine, but don't lie when you clearly are doing this.

And if there are so many other things about this game, why is this such a big deal, just change it. Change the conversation, make it less judgy. Myself, and a few others have expressed problems with how it is presented, more in the future will have problems with how it is presented. So if your game is more than this, just change it to something better, something that won't judge or preach to others, but you won't, when it could be some simple as changing like a few lines.

So if someone asks a straight person to kiss, or more, a member of the same sex, and as a personal reaction say eww no, that automatically translates to ban the gays? Or that it's a statement against that culture and not on an individual level? Come on dude. I know it's a fictional story, but there's nothing wrong with some reality. And yes, I know a harem setting is not that realistic. But attacking a scene just because you are trying to make it out to be something it's not is just messed up.

Again I get it you don't like it. That's ok. It's your opinion. I see that you removed the part where you said you didn't play the last update from your review.

It has nothing to do with views, just preferences. But you made your point. You don’t like it and I accept it. No ill will.

 

[PSYlevi]

Why are you lying, You literally used the word "ewww" Then it sounds like the girl was testing us, "now you get it" like why even think that way. You literally go on a tangent during it. So what do you mean you don't say any of that. So yes it does feel judgy, yes it does feel preachy. This is the biggest problem, you are judging people who like this stuff. You don't want it in your game fine, but don't lie when you clearly are doing this.

And if there are so many other things about this game, why is this such a big deal, just change it. Change the conversation, make it less judgy. Myself, and a few others have expressed problems with how it is presented, more in the future will have problems with how it is presented. So if your game is more than this, just change it to something better, something that won't judge or preach to others, but you won't, when it could be some simple as changing like a few lines.

Dev already make his point, that not gonna be changed because you don't like it. You either forget about that dialogue, and play next update, or move on (you already been let down because of lack lesbian scenes). There plenty of games for lesbian lovers, releasing every day, why not try them?

And btw, why none of you asking another devs change dialogue, when devs make "judgy" or "preachy" dialogue if player choose non lesbian route? But when that happen to lesbian scenes lovers, hell let lose...

 

[Vortex@]

just because some people doesn't want to see bi or lez content, doesn't mean they hate lez/bi people. I absolutely don't want to see it in my vn's, but I don't hate lez people. I thought the scene was fine. They made a good argument, just because it's a 3some doesn't mean they have to be gay and do gay stuff together like some people think. It was refreshing for once to hear that conversation, normally we have to read lez/bi innuendo chat from the dev and the mc liking it even if we have the option for lez off. So what your feeling is how we usually feel.

 

[harsha_26]

I hope dev won't change those lines just because of some anti fans. Even if it got changed, we already have original script with us and we will play with Original mods if it goes to that.