kittehbit

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As per the description, " it's a game about sexual discovery, slow corruption".

There are probably multiple ways of creating such a game, but I can easily identify 2 genres: you can implement it through a succession of scenes and call it a kinetic novel. Or you can integrate statistics and sandbox elements. It looks like the dev has made the second choice.
And, to be frank, this grind is made up of little details that change with time and make the game fun to play. As they say, it's not the destination that counts, it's the journey.
I think I get the point you are trying to make, but there is a difference between "slow corruption" (which i am a fan of) and excruciating grind. Its just not a good or fun gameplay, when you need to alt-tab out of the game and watch youtube, so the rating of the customers in the restaurant sinks so low, that you get a bad review (for the punishment scene). And if you tabbed back into the game too early, the customer is not "mad" enough to reach your goal, and you have wasted like 30 minutes of gameplay time. If one little mistake on a bad mechanic makes me lose my progress and replay the same scenes again and again: its not a fun "journey". Thats just not good game design. LOK Rebirth had slow corruption too and it was better paced. I would rather see some mechanic in play that you can do to actively "fuck up" like LOK Rebirth had.
 

guanciale

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I think I get the point you are trying to make, but there is a difference between "slow corruption" (which i am a fan of) and excruciating grind. Its just not a good or fun gameplay, when you need to alt-tab out of the game and watch youtube, so the rating of the customers in the restaurant sinks so low, that you get a bad review (for the punishment scene). And if you tabbed back into the game too early, the customer is not "mad" enough to reach your goal, and you have wasted like 30 minutes of gameplay time. If one little mistake on a bad mechanic makes me lose my progress and replay the same scenes again and again: its not a fun "journey". Thats just not good game design. LOK Rebirth had slow corruption too and it was better paced. I would rather see some mechanic in play that you can do to actively "fuck up" like LOK Rebirth had.
Drink beer
 

whatever4096

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Well... "If one is looking for excuses, one will find it." Thats what immediately came to my mind while reading your text.
The same could be applied to the dev and yourself. That is a really hollow statement.
You know, your assumptions regarding to the beef with the LOK:Rebirth team might be true, but the thing is:
Look at LOK:R and look at Pizza Hot. Especially considering that LOK:R is a full year longer in development than Pizza Hot.
They are not assumptions. They were stated by Abelius and/or the LOK devs in one of Abelius's posts, as I already stated.
Just because the pace of development doesn't synergize with your patience does not necessarily mean it is the developer's fault.

Did he promised things that he could not hold up to? Yes. Does this mean he is bad at developing? No.
This only means he is bad at comunication.
Even without explicit content, this game is already better and much "rounder" than >90% of the other projects currently in development and as someone who works in a major studio for A+ games, I can assure you I know what I'm talking about.
It doesn't matter what he's bad at. He has had a substantial amount of time and put out little. Whether you work in a major studio is irrelevant. Major studios put out shitty games all the time. To call this game better than 90% in its current state when it was supposed to have hardcore sexual content almost out of the gate shows where your quality standards lie.
Developing is not a linear process. You constantly run into obstacles and problems and you constantly have to overcome them.

If you want an example for bad and lazy developing, look at Kingdom Of Deception. The game has a shit ton of explicit content, but it went so tremendously downhill developing wise, it's nothing more than just a meme by now.

My conclusion is, that most of the critic Abelius is receiving is unjustified and is mainly based on impatience and bad experiences with other developers.
Bad development on one game doesn't excuse it on another. Nearly a year and a half waiting for something promised at the beginning is hardly impatience.
 

thegooglyman

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To call this game better than 90% in its current state when it was supposed to have hardcore sexual content almost out of the gate shows where your quality standards lie.
I don't ever remember this ever being stated anywhere. And it certainly doesn't seem like its going in this direction, or ever intended to.

Why don't you just move on? Its obvious you don't like this game, the dev, or the direction its going. That doesn't make the game bad, it doesn't make the Dev bad, and it doesn't make the direction bad. This game isn't for you, and that's okay.

That's why most of us have contention with you guys who "hate" this game. There's nothing objectively wrong with it, but you've made it your mission statement to slander the game and the dev as if it's having some form of negative impact on your life. If you've paid for the game and not gotten anything from it? Ask for a refund. If you HAVEN'T paid a single cent, again, why are you here?
 
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Daekas

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Stuff was said
To be fair. I forgot about the game, last time i checked was.. propably.. Almost a year ago?
Back then the developer said that a lot of chunky stuff is right about to happen.
None of this has happened, or very little, to be exact.
I don't really care for that game, just wanted to point that out.
Not trying to defend the nay-sayers, nor the game itself. Just my personal pov.

Tho - This is the age of milking, after all.
And a good sense of doubt in situations like this is usually the right approach.
 

whatever4096

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I don't ever remember this ever being stated anywhere. And it certainly doesn't seem like its going in this direction, or ever intended to.

Why don't you just move on? Its obvious you don't like this game, the dev, or the direction its going. That doesn't make the game bad, it doesn't make the Dev bad, and it doesn't make the direction bad. This game isn't for you, and that's okay.

That's why most of us have contention with you guys who "hate" this game. There's nothing objectively wrong with it, but you've made it your mission statement to slander the game and the dev as if it's having some form of negative impact on your life. If you've paid for the game and not gotten anything from it? Ask for a refund. If you HAVEN'T paid a single cent, again, why are you here?
Yes, it was directly stated on the SubscribeStar page when this project started that it would have hardcore content very soon.

I could ask you the same about your motivations. You seem to adamantly defend the game and dev for no good reason, and dismiss any criticism as completely unfounded. I DO still want this game to become something decent, even if it takes years, but I'm not going to kiss the dev's ass and pretend it's acceptable to ask for money when he's shown such a lack of timely development.
 

thegooglyman

Googlyman Studios
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Dec 15, 2017
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Yes, it was directly stated on the SubscribeStar page when this project started that it would have hardcore content very soon.

I could ask you the same about your motivations. You seem to adamantly defend the game and dev for no good reason, and dismiss any criticism as completely unfounded. I DO still want this game to become something decent, even if it takes years, but I'm not going to kiss the dev's ass and pretend it's acceptable to ask for money when he's shown such a lack of timely development.
I can't really tell if you want the game to become something decent, because this certainly isn't the way to go about it.

Criticism should be constructive, and nothing you or many of the detractors have provided has been reasonable or actionable criticism, just bruised egos and disappointment that you haven't gotten what you wanted when you wanted it. You are correct in that Abelius promised X amount of content in Y amount of time and failed to deliver it. You seem to believe the solution to that is "Just deliver more content, on time."

That's not how this works. It's totally acceptable to ask for however much money he wants, as long as people are happy with that. You seem to be unhappy with that. Which again, is fine. But you've come to a public forum, angry that your experience isn't the same as everyone else's, arguing that the Dev's failure to deliver on his promises are either out of incompetence or malice, which anyone who actually cares could see is demonstrably false.

You're not asked to kiss anyone ass. Just that you behave like an adult. This is an adult forum, FYI.

I'm curious: If you were Abelius, what would you do differently regarding PH development compared to what he is doing now?
 

whatever4096

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I can't really tell if you want the game to become something decent, because this certainly isn't the way to go about it.

Criticism should be constructive, and nothing you or many of the detractors have provided has been reasonable or actionable criticism, just bruised egos and disappointment that you haven't gotten what you wanted when you wanted it. You are correct in that Abelius promised X amount of content in Y amount of time and failed to deliver it. You seem to believe the solution to that is "Just deliver more content, on time."

That's not how this works. It's totally acceptable to ask for however much money he wants, as long as people are happy with that. You seem to be unhappy with that. Which again, is fine. But you've come to a public forum, angry that your experience isn't the same as everyone else's, arguing that the Dev's failure to deliver on his promises are either out of incompetence or malice, which anyone who actually cares could see is demonstrably false.

You're not asked to kiss anyone ass. Just that you behave like an adult. This is an adult forum, FYI.

I'm curious: If you were Abelius, what would you do differently regarding PH development compared to what he is doing now?
I have pointed out multiple times what the issues are. Working on a clothing system, a mall, customer interactions, and a number of other things that have no relation to engine stability or the ability to put out hardcore content. How is it not constructive to call the dev out on this when hardcore content was promised? This has nothing to do with unforeseen circumstances and everything to do with not making it a priority. The sexual content is currently an afterthought at best.

Part of behaving like an adult is standing behind your promises and holding people responsible, especially when money is involved. If Abelius was on any sort of contracted project, he would've lost that contract months ago for failing to meet obligations. Luckily for him, we live in the age of the subscription model developer that can pull in people's money with nothing but empty promises and faith.
 
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thegooglyman

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I have pointed out multiple times what the issues are. Working on a clothing system, a mall, customer interactions, and a number of other things that have no relation to engine stability or the ability to put out hardcore content. How is it not constructive to call the dev out on this when hardcore content was promised? This has nothing to do with unforeseen circumstances and everything to do with not making it a priority. The sexual content is currently an afterthought at best.
That's not a failure. That's a deliberate decision, that YOU don't like. It's not up to you to decide that the clothing system, the mall, and customer interactions are not important and foundational to the game, and what makes the game exciting. For myself and many others, these interactions with the world and how they lead into sexual situations are what make this game interesting and exciting. If I wanted just straight porn, with an already naked blonde woman with 0 context, there's a dozen sites where I can get that for free.

What would you consider "suitable" hardcore content at the current state of the game.
What would the nature of this hardcore content be? Where would this hardcore content take place? Who would this hardcore content be with?

Part of behaving like an adult is standing behind your promises and holding people responsible, especially when money is involved. If Abelius was on any sort of contracted project, he would've lost that contract months ago for failing to meet obligations. Luckily for him, we live in the age of the subscription model developer that can pull in people's money with nothing but empty promises and faith.
There is a contract. You give Abelius money, you get access to the stuff he makes. He doesn't make the stuff you like? you stop giving him money. It's really not that hard but for some reason you're making it a needlessly complicated process.
 

whatever4096

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That's not a failure. That's a deliberate decision, that YOU don't like. It's not up to you to decide that the clothing system, the mall, and customer interactions are not important and foundational to the game, and what makes the game exciting. For myself and many others, these interactions with the world and how they lead into sexual situations are what make this game interesting and exciting. If I wanted just straight porn, with an already naked blonde woman with 0 context, there's a dozen sites where I can get that for free.

What would you consider "suitable" hardcore content at the current state of the game.
What would the nature of this hardcore content be? Where would this hardcore content take place? Who would this hardcore content be with?



There is a contract. You give Abelius money, you get access to the stuff he makes. He doesn't make the stuff you like? you stop giving him money. It's really not that hard but for some reason you're making it a needlessly complicated process.
Yes, it's a deliberate decision that I don't like because a game that promised hardcore sexual content over a year ago has failed to deliver on that promise. Surprisingly, a game's story and content don't have to be developed linearly. How is it unusual that people on a website for adult porn games expect the games to actually have porn in them? Let me ask you, what is a reasonable time for a game like this to start focusing on sexual content? 3 years? 4? You again talk about just not giving money, as if people shouldn't be criticized on their behavior unless you're personally affected.
 

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This game gives me a strong "Library Story" vibes in terms of progressing. I hope this game will be completed before the game I mentioned.
 

thegooglyman

Googlyman Studios
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Dec 15, 2017
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Surprisingly, a game's story and content don't have to be developed linearly. How is it unusual that people on a website for adult porn games expect the games to actually have porn in them? Let me ask you, what is a reasonable time for a game like this to start focusing on sexual content? 3 years? 4? You again talk about just not giving money, as if people shouldn't be criticized on their behavior unless you're personally affected.
Can you name one game that has the art, depth, story and mechanics comparable to Pizza Hot that was developed faster than it? Because if so, why aren't you playing it and not here bugging us?

You keep saying you should be free to criticize, yet you keep going back to the same tired, unconstructive argument. "He didn't do the thing he said he was gonna do when he said it." Dude we were all there. You aren't the only person that happened to. He said what happened, he said what he is doing to fix it, and he released a new version. What do you exactly plan to accomplish by constantly focusing on a delayed release other than looking like a big fucking baby?

And if your criticism is "It's taking too long" and you aren't paying money, then yes actually, your opinion is null, void, idiotic, and unwarranted. You're like the folks who complain about transgender woman in women's sports but haven't ever seen or attended a single women's sporting event.
 

Slanterq

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Thanks for the game! ^_^ Question is there gym yet or way to get your friend to go to massage place? I seen pictures of police officer but have not seen that part as well. Any help will be welcomed. ^_^ -Any tips on making money? I fined it's getting really hard to make more then $40.00 in tips in one day.
 

whatever4096

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Can you name one game that has the art, depth, story and mechanics comparable to Pizza Hot that was developed faster than it? Because if so, why aren't you playing it and not here bugging us?

You keep saying you should be free to criticize, yet you keep going back to the same tired, unconstructive argument. "He didn't do the thing he said he was gonna do when he said it." Dude we were all there. You aren't the only person that happened to. He said what happened, he said what he is doing to fix it, and he released a new version. What do you exactly plan to accomplish by constantly focusing on a delayed release other than looking like a big fucking baby?

And if your criticism is "It's taking too long" and you aren't paying money, then yes actually, your opinion is null, void, idiotic, and unwarranted. You're like the folks who complain about transgender woman in women's sports but haven't ever seen or attended a single women's sporting event.
Not even going there. If you honestly think this is the holy grail of porn games in its current state, you're certifiably out of your mind. What you're saying is you want no criticism of any kind because I have already given you constructive criticism. Why do I keep going back to the same tired argument? Why do you keep going back to the argument of "He said he was going to fix it, so there." You keep pressing that there's nothing wrong with the development and people should support it, but I'm not allowed to take the opposite stance because I'm "a big fucking baby". I ask you again, when are we allowed to criticize the dev for taking too long? Because according to you, it's never. Because you decide to be lenient on bad practices doesn't mean everyone that doesn't follow suit is in the wrong. Because I am not personally affected by something does not make an argument less potent.
 

whatever4096

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Am i mistaken or its been almost a year since 0.8v was released for their patrons?, i thought this game had perished, this is at a snail's pace if im being honest, and this is coming from a big fan of insexcity.
0.8 was just released. 0.7 was released September of last year. About 8 months.
 
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