Red lines in censorship.

[paust.alex]

Hi. Sorry for a wall of text, but I really need your opinion. I've been trying to find the perfect plot for the game for over a year now and I think I've found it, but I think I'm breaking too many rules, both for patreon and this site, because there will be, no doubt, incest and "underage" content, not because I like that, but because it's good for the plot. I would have to make patches or release different versions of the game with only legal content and illegal content. But, maybe there are other ways to "legally" get around all these rules?
I've watched quite a bit of different movie and photo "stuff" lately in legal and open access, you don't even need TOR, stuff where "underaged" and blood relatives have sex. I think one of the clearest examples of sex between relatives would be the Game of Thrones TV series, where twins - brother and sister - have sex and they even have a child. The movie "The Woman", where the father has sex with his underage daughter, a schoolgirl, who gets pregnant by him, the movie "Girl in the Basement", where the father again has sex with his daughter and she gets pregnant. Of course, here such relationships were shown in a negative context, and I agree with that.
As for "underaged" content, the most obvious example would be the career of Brooke Shields, and her completely naked photo session for Playboy at age 10 and then she starred in several films where she had sex. The 1995 movie "Kids". From the more recent I tried to watch the TV series "Sex Education", but there were too much NTR and the hero is too obvious omega cuck, so I couldn't last long. However, there the plot is about 16-year-olds school kids having sex and even making an abortions. So I had an idea.
In the "Sex Education" the characters are 16 years old but all of the actors are 20+, in addition during sex they don't show genitals and the penetration, which is true to almost all movies with sex scenes. What if I myself make a game where underage relatives have sex, but the moment of penetration will not be shown, and I say that they don't have sex they just simulate? And actually they are actors who are already 18, they just play the roles of the "underaged"? I can also say that they use artificial dicks and vaginas, or they are replaced by stand-in porn actors.
Will this be considered legal, like many movies and TV series that are shown on TV, where "underaged" and relatives fuck?

 

[Fzeren]

omega cuck

Fucking thank you! People always say "beta". Why?! It's the second highest rank in the pack! It's like instead of calling someone an idiot, you say "you have above-average intelligence". Jesus fucking christ.

The legality depends on your country, I'd imagine...

 

[Deleted member 3145675]

Hi,
I'll try to make it short - anything including minors and incest is wildly illegal almost everywhere (civilized) under actual current Laws (maybe it was not the case 30 years ago).

 

[khumak]

Incest and underage content are really the main issues you have to worry about I think. Incest is easy to deal with. Just replace blood relations with unrelated terms like landlady/tenant or whatever and then release a patch somewhere else that changes it back. Underage content is different because the actors or renders are the part that matters, not the stated age. If they look 12, they're 12 regardless how many times you have people talk about them being 18. So unless you're releasing it for only the markets where underage content is legal, I don't think there's really a way to do it without getting into legal trouble or at the very least having your game banned.

In my case I plan on using the incest patch route for my games and there's no change needed for the renders. I have no interest in underage content so that issue doesn't affect me.

 

[gunderson]

Sigh. Let's start with some basics, and I'll try to not get too up in yo grill about some ideas you have that I agree with less.

1) Subscribestar is much friendlier to the sort of content you're talking about making than Patreon. Unless you have some particular problem with Subscribestar, make your game there. Depending on how optional your underage stuff is (F95zone absolutely doesn't come down on incest in and of itself for any reason, so that's not the problem), you either might be fine here or you might want to advertise over on fap-nation.

2) No penetration? Ick. Don't do that. That's awful. There are already enough games out there that don't get to P in the V for a year of development, let alone starting out with that idea. Whatever you make, they better fuck.

3) Sex Education season 1 is awesome, and the main character at least partially relinquishes his cuck card somewhere around episode 6 or so. I'm less sold on season 2, but I'd at least say the first season is worth watching. You might also enjoy season 1 of Future Man for...reasons (okay, nobody's underage, but the incest angle? Fuck YES my dude).

4) I can only speak with anything resembling authority for US law on obscenity, and not from a professional legal standpoint, so take a big heaping spoonful of salt with this one: obscenity laws in countries that tend to have freer free speech restrictions also tend to be looser with their interpretation of what counts as obscene. The following should at least give you a sense of what is or is not legal where you are, though:

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That being said, the letter of obscenity laws are generally pretty vague, usually with some language involving what the 'average person' would find to be offensive, lacking in artistic/literary merit, and whether or not the overall interest would appear to the average person to be of mainly 'prurient interest.' For more info, look here:

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That should tell you two things. First off: literally any pornography can easily be considered obscene (and thereby is potentially subject to litigation), no matter how vanilla the porn and no matter how documentedly of age and consenting the people involved are. Second: because obscenity laws can apply to so many things and yet get actually litigated in so few cases (no, seriously, I literally cannot think of any Patreon or Subscribestar game that has ever been brought to trial or even threatened with litigation over its content as far as obscenity goes), that's generally not the trouble. For right now at least, companies are concerned enough about their image that they police things themselves.

That being said, I'll offer two pieces of advice about your game: first, don't use IRL images of underage people in any sexual context at all in your game. That's just ASKING for us all to get sent up shit creek, and we'd all happily disown your work for that reason. Second: assuming that the first doesn't apply, just make your damn game pretty much however you want to. Don't give me this 'it's just for the story' bullshit. You think underage sex/incest is hot, and that's totally fine because it's in a fictional context. Make you game. It's all good. Just...definitely strongly consider Subscribestar.

Side note: if patches are an option, then you might consider Patreon. But that's not always feasible for structural reasons, so use your best instincts.

 

[gunderson]

What I mean by "no penetration." Of course they fuck, we all know and understand that, but we don't see the moment when the penis makes contact with the vagina (there may be a separate "patch" for that).

Ick. If that's what you want to make, go ahead, but leave me out of it. I'm here for explicit pornography, ya dig?

 

[paust.alex]

I will try to express my thought differently. What if we imagine that the game is some sort of an interactive movie with a set of actors who play their roles? All of the actors are adults and have no family ties. On the other hand, you can see it as an incest porn game.
It all depends on the interpretation.

 

[gunderson]

I will try to express my thought differently. What if we imagine that the game is some sort of an interactive movie with a set of actors who play their roles? All of the actors are adults and have no family ties. On the other hand, you can see it as an incest porn game.
It all depends on the interpretation.

Let me be clear here: I think I understand what you're talking about, and it sounds socially conservative and boring. I don't want it. Other people might, and that's totally fine. You're free to make it. But, personally, this sounds like the worst incest porn game idea I've ever heard of. It's already fiction. You don't have to make a fictional game about unrelated fictional people making fictional incest porn to make an incest porn game, even one with underage participants. It's literally not necessary. Now, that might be your kink to make doubly fictional porn (erotica? Softcore porn? Whatever it is when you don't actually see dicks go in pussies [eww, softcore porn games] but are still making a game). That's fine. But understand that that is not remotely a normal incest kink and if that's really what you're after then you're appealing to a really, really specific audience. Again, no thanks.
Edit: or perhaps there is a bit I've misunderstood, which is that you absolutely refuse to make your game without using IRL images of underage people or of-age people playing underage characters. In which case, yes, you're probably screwed.

 

[redknight00]

1. Consider using adults in your game.

2. Try again without discussing/posting lewds with kids.