Ren'Py - Seeds of Chaos [v0.4.09] [Vénus Noire]

I really love parts of this game. I wish I could love all of it.

The game has tons of content, but it can be pretty hard to figure out where the content you actually want to experience is in the game. I'm not a fan of everything in Seeds of Chaos and, frankly, the tone flip-flops from devastatingly grim to uncomfortably sexual at the drop of a hat. You can tell this game has multiple writers. Some of these writers are much more skilled than others, with some being able to handle characters they're not in charge of with tact and others pushing them out of character with the first word they write of them. Different writers handle violence differently, too. Under certain ones, any violence is handled as grim and dangerous, where others seemingly ignore the consequences of possible battles to the death. Part of this might be due to the way events can be triggered in whatever order one wants, with a character that was just beat to a pulp having to be able to pop up, unhurt, for the next scene. Of note is a scene where a minotaur turns one of the main demons into a mess of broken bones and blood, but then he was completely fine for the next scene where he kept seducing the female protagonist.

The cheating or cuckoldry content causes quite a contention with most people, but it's completely avoidable if you're not into it. As someone who is drawn to that sort of content, I feel it's watered down and sequestered away to try and please an audience that doesn't like it. The focus jitters all over like a sniper who just did ten rails of crack. I wish the game focused in on the fetishes it ostensibly was made to explore, but it feels like they have put far too much effort into catering to everyone. In addition, the lack of consequences to the various scenes adds to this problem. The story plays up that this is a dangerous dark fantasy world... with only characters that aren't important to the story having consequences. I realize the amount of writing that would be required would be prohibitively large for a small team, but maybe the team should have concentrated on the core rather than just kinda letting it wander about with side plots and characters that don't connect to the main story. At this point, it's not like they can go back and redo things, though.

The exploration part of the game really doesn't serve the rest of it well. Sure, it adds to the feel of the world, but, really, the best parts of the game are the protagonists interacting with other characters through the end-of-week scenes. The orc camp is the only part that competes with that, and, honestly, you could scrape everything about the exploration out of the game and make it a better experience. I would rather just play this as a typical branching-paths VN rather than what it is.

Hopefully the promised "Act 2" coming in the future tightens up the experience, drops the frivolities, and adds more consequence to the scenes. Only time will tell.

The artwork is great and so is the concept but the execution was done very poorly.

The gameplay is fine, it works but the RPG system and mechanics just make the game tedious and not as fun I love RPG's but not in a game like this it just does not work well as it just ends up cutting content from the game because you can't pass a skill check.

If you want to play the game without NTR and without being the twins bitch your going to miss out on the majority of the game. From the description the developers make it sound like you will be able to eventually take control but at this rate I don't see it happening anytime soon.

The game dont really deliver what it promises but I seen much worse games.

I tried the game last year and didnt liked, but got persuaded to give another try since the upcoming updates/plans sounded promising. Almost a year later I gave it another go but all I can say it was wasted time.
Dont get me wrong, art is good and the sandbox COULD be something decent if it was properly done, but how the game handles its VN part and Sandbox made it tiresome to play. What adds more salt to the wound is the rather "unpleasant" content in this game and how it executed.
Surprisingly no bugs in my two playthroughs (NTR path/"NO" NTR)

Lets say if you thinking to give this game a try with the prejudice playing a male lead having his fun the "normal" (hetero) style without anything fucked up, you will only somewhat finish this game in his 1/3 of its content....and its not much I must say as a warning.
And there is only one Path which you HAVE to choose, and its the corruption, otherwise you will even get less H-Scenes. And if you think that the lack of these normal scenes could be balance out through the story or their characters....well, you will be even more disappointed in it.
Its more of a game where you have to disconnect with the characters (no male/female lead) and to somewhat the strange/silly story its going.

Like I said, I seen worse games and with the current new artstyle it seems to been better (at least some H-Scenes are good tho) but I personally cant suggest this since everything feels like thrown together with the hope it will somewhat make sense.

Fantastic art and decent writing (as far as porn games go) marred by terrible gameplay. This is more unique than many games, and is certainly far above most things made in RPGM, but still lacks intuitive design and QOL. It's easy enough to get a bad end that essentially breaks your save unless you made numerous check points, and there isn't much that you, the player, have control over. There are choices you make, but they're few and far between in terms of anything meaningful.

Progress through the game itself is slow, and though the scenes are grand, they take a while to get rolling. Once they do, it's much less like a stone rolling down a hill and more like one moving on a treadmill. The pace only picks up slightly, and by the time you start really enjoying, you either game over or hit a gap with no scenes at all.

A lot of my disdain for this game comes from a very personal opinion on the core tenants of what makes a good porn game, and that involves not having hard game overs. This story does not captivate me enough to read every last line, and in doing so, I might miss a very important line of dialogue that isn't mentioned anywhere else, and thus, lose. I don't want to have to follow a walkthrough or spend 5 hours reading through everything just to have a wank for a game that I enjoy the style and setting of.

Tl;dr
I'm mainly here for porn, and you know that, so stop punishing me for not clicking on the right tile in a boring, slow paced game.

Berserk but Guts is a bitch and is also serving Femto, only it's worse because there's two of them and even the one with the vagina gets to cuck him. Not badly written, and the art is pretty great, but really feels like a setting and story that are dark just for the sake of being dark.

Would've liked the whole thing much better if the protagonist were a demon making his way through the ranks or something like that. Being the bad guy can be fun, being the bad guys' bitch gets tiring after a while.

Every year, I check for updates on this game, and when it looks like there's enough new content, I give it another tumble. Every time, it's worth it.

As excellent as the artwork is, lewd or otherwise, it is the writing that is the most enthralling part of this game. Whatever your initial choices might be, or what you may decide to become later on, the writing pulls no punches in regards to detail and nuance of the setting or characters.

As long as this game has been in development, it is pretty apparent that a lot of passion and commitment has gone into it. I hold no small amount of hope that this project is completed eventually.

It's a great game in concept, with a lot of excellent visuals a dark but not overly grimdark setting.
The main character Rowan and his wife are put in compromising situations and it always feels like they walk a fine balance between control and surrendering to the same level as their surroundings.
A lot of different kind of characters as well, it's nice to see a good variety of both body types and of both gay, lesbian and straight schnupping going on.

The overworld map and build mechanics appeal to my strategy gamer senses, but is often quite slow and sometimes more trial and error than actual strategy. I'd like to progress a bit faster or at least have clearer objectives. Maybe more side missions and less random events would solve this.

I have also had a few game crashes that have ruined at least one playthrough. There are apparently some issues with the coding.

I still recommend it and I have bought it on Steam and earlier was a patron. But the three star rating is there to show that there is some stuff that needs work before it can be called truly great.

I feel like this is very much a "your mileage may vary" game. The people who are into a super-dark world filled with rape, ntr, and making the best of only shitty situations will love it while those who don't won't get much of anything at all.

The overall gameplay is mediocre at best. You wander a world map trying to find things to do and eventually roll a dice to see if you pull it off. It's forgettable at best and tedious at worst. Fortunately the art redeems the gameplay to at least a degree, as it's quite good.

The story... is the hit or miss part. I can roll with a certain level of grim dark. Unfortunately, Seeds of Chaos is more than a bit much. In my opinion, the fun of a grim dark world is struggling against the grim darkness. The world can try to drag you down into crapsack it's become, but your character is too brave, smart, or just stubborn to give up.

Seeds of Chaos manages a little of this, but the "good guy" path is basically rigged. No matter what you do, you just keep getting punished. The world can't ever get better through your choices. Your best result is less bad. The game doesn't feel like it's designed to truly have a good guy path, just brutal speed bumps if you struggle on your way to almost inevitable corruption.

Speaking of which, I have a major bone to pick with the corruption. I'm down with a nice slow burn fall from grace. I think Seeds of Chaos can actually deliver on this to a degree as well. The thing that I hate though, is that Seeds conjoins sexual corruption and moral corruption.

Sluts are not war criminals. I feel like I shouldn't have to say it, but Seeds makes me feel like it needs to be stated. Just because Rowan and Alexia sleep around and cheat on each other does not mean that they'll suddenly enjoy rape or murder. Enjoying a big cock does not mean you desire the fall of civilization. Fucking a succubus or seven does not mean you must be down with a demonic uprising. It's really brutal to watch Rowan and Alexia become worse people as they like sex more. I understand that it probably made the game much easier to code, but it pretty much killed my appreciation for their characters.

Overall, I feel like having the two of them fall to sexual corruption, even inevitable sexual corruption, while maintaining their morality would have made for a better character arc overall. It would also have allowed the main story to feature the two of them trying to save as many people as possible even as their bodies slow begin to belong to demons. Remember that whole fighting against the grim dark bit?

Anyway, between mediocre game play, good art, and a story that made me legitimately uncomfortable through sheer darkness at a point or two, the game just wasn't for me. I guess I'd recommend it to people who are extremely into ntr and bad shit happening to good people.

Seeds of Chaos is an excellent VN with two maps to bring order to the huge amount of content. It is true that the fate of our protagonists is far from being decided.
As a good element, the story allows us to react in different ways to various situations, allowing us to influence the moral system individually for each main character in a much more noticeable way compared to other games of this style..
100% recommended if you like this type of game. By the way, the art is very good.

You pilot an established hero MC who saved the world from the demon lord and slaughtered countless demons. He is a macho alpha male MC... who will now just surrender to demons and help them destroy the world on flimsy reasoning. Also he will suddenly become a submissive bitch for the duration of sex scenes then immediately bounce right back to his alpha personality when done. It is rather jarring how fast the MC personality changes and I am lead to conclude that MC is suffering from dissociative identity disorder

The story is utterly nonsensical and illogical, it is edgy for the sake of edge.
There are countless plot holes that would make it tumble down but you are supposed to just ignore it or something.

The mechanics suck. It uses D20 system with rolls, so success or failure is almost entirely up to luck. You can go into great effort to raise your sneak stat to a +3 but this just means you are rolling a D20 + 3 vs DC15. Even with that +3 it is still all down to luck. And they included anti cheat mechanics too just fo fuck with you (disabled rollback).

The game tries to appeal to far too many conflicting fetishes. So the odds are on update you won't find any new content that appeals to you.

Their "disable NTR" option allows a bunch of NTR scenes to go through.
"oh this does not count. You cheated on your wife so you are being punished with NTR"
"oh this does not count, you and your wife are being raped together so it is not NTR"
etc

Seeds of Chaos is amazing, I love the world, the atmosphere, the kinky sex. I love everything about it. If the sex were completely removed, I suspect I would still love it, the hallmark of, if not a great story, at least a good one. It doesn't use sex or violence as a crutch. Rare praise for an adult game.

Sigh.

Ive been following this game for a really long time but Ive continuously been losing hope for the latest updates now.
The game has huge potential, one of the best story premises of the entire site, brilliant art, really hot scenes and a bunch of different fetishes. Its one of the games where the story really draws you into it and makes most of the scenes way better than they were, if you looked at them isolated.
But thats about it.
It seems that the developers are focusing so much on unimportant sidestorys, about secondary character arcs that noone gives a fuck about, that they completely neglect a healthy progression rate. They try to please every fetish on their huge list simultaniously while completely lacking the capacities to support their development.
This unfortunately leads to painfully slow development progress. Every two months im looking into the game just to find out they reworked another scene again, added a completely optional scene with some goblins that noone really asked for and another gay scene that probably doesnt appeal to the majority of their audience. On top of that they spend rediculous amounts of time reworking their gameplay mechanics, that lacked a lot in the previous versions but imo didnt really get that much better in the latest updates either.
Its still a game where a lot of the scenes are locked behind some dubious and completely intransparent chains of decisions or some stupid rng mechanics that offer no gameplay value at all. The lack of a rollback option is especially frustrating and kinda forces you to savescum a lot if you dont want to replay the whole game, once youve randomly failed an rng check.

All in all I really want this game to be good. I want this game to succeed and to progress. But the amount of money the developers get via patreon compared to the actual value the players get leads me to the conclusion that its gonna share the fate of all the uncounted cashgrab, milking cow patreon games that will probably never be finished.

Too bad, as it really could be one of the best games this site offers.

Gameplay :
the game is story driven Choose your own story "dungeon and dragon" type of game with multiple dice to roll an outcome of an event based on related character stats point.

you can assign stats to your character for better RNG roll and each character stats will generate randomly between 1 as minimum and 6 as maximum value for the requirement.

you will pass the RNG roll if your dice outcome is higher or equal to the event requirement which usually often to be 24.

both main quest and side quest are available for player to explore.


personal view of current seed of chaos :

this is erotic visual novel hence my rating will focus on Erotic part of the image.

i spent time comparing old art style with the new.
it's basically the same as comparing warcraft III Frozen throne VS the brand new Reforged.

both seed of chaos and warcraft III new version image, picture and CG is worse compared with the older version.
they are forcing on realistic aspect to much.

i am convinced this series is a big fail because reforged has proven to be fail.
People prefer clear image over a realistic one hence why lightning and brightness is very important in movie making.

just look at how much time they spent on 1st chapter and they do bunch of rework instead of going forward to chapter 2.
ironically artistic value is very subjective and art replacement is not mandatory but they are going hardcore into it.

i read some review and acording to chambord review
bad :
- Some content from previous versions have been gone

it seems i am not the only one prefer the older content.
i read further into review and some dude called out bad contrast which i completely agree with since the new art is just not appealing.

[personal rating]
2 out of 5
i masturbated 30 times at older version CG while having 0 attempt on the reworked version.

This is a really good game, with lots of very good sex scenes. I also actually like the SFW aspects of the game; it has an engaging story and great mechanics.

However, it's also an unfinished game IMO. The stat mechanics aren't as relevant as I hoped they would be, and the ratio of time spent grinding to time spent doing interesting character development is too high. For instance, with Alexa you can have her doing the same repetitive tasks which are kind of boring. If the game was 25 - 30 percent shorter while keeping the same number of sex scenes or dialogue scenes in, I'd like it a lot more. I'd also like an option to change the MC and Alexa's name, shouldn't be too hard to implement.

Overall it's a very good game, probably one of the best 2dcg games I've played.

LIIIIKE IT!

First reason : Drawings, wow,wow,wow,wow,wow, a great Bravo to the one that is at the pencils.
Second: the Sheer nastiness of the whole thing. It force you to break some bonduaries and test your own definition of sexy.
Naturally, I have to make a point here, I strongly believe both in egality of sexes and honor so I will play it in a certain way:cheating is ok with me , NTR is however always on! Also because some of the most sexy and nasty scenes involves a certain pair of redheads, so...
Usually gay is a turn off for me but in this case I would gladly make exceptions, futa on male, always one of the best (the Dwarf just not, please).
Only absolute NO for me is about blasphemy and sex with Nuns and priests but since there aare all heatens...Fuck Solansia!
The only defect I see is a certain running in circles and casuality of encounters and statistics, and yes a VERY slow start although it's completely understandable storywise: no one want an Hero that bend on at the first pressure!

Allow me to add an update : as I play it back from beginning when a new release is made , only now I have reached the (provisional) end of Shaya investigation storyline.
Well, it's a fantastic plot and an unexpected turn, ABSOLUTELY ROMANTIC one I have to add.
In this orgy of debauchery and kinkiness, such one and Baron Casimir's Fate (no spoiler) shine of the pure light of Love itself.

Fcking add virtual novel to this because its spacebar simulator. Content and porn are good though, just novel levels of text between everything. Like, I can literally close my eyes and press space bar for 5 minutes straight and still not be done with a section of non-porn text, and its unskippable.

v0.3.02A

Good :
- Artworks are very nice
- The story is well written and interesting
- Lot of options
- Lot of potential love interest
- Lot of sex
- I love the music

Bad :
- Not enough scenes involving the MC and his wife
- Too many NTR/gay/sharing content
- Too many black screens during dialogues
- Impossible to change the MC's firstname
- Text is needlessly too long
- Can't trigger contents without the right lvl which takes too long to XP, i had to use the console commands
- A mix of RPG and VN gameplay while it could be fully VN
- Random events are too hard to trigger
- Some content from previous versions have been gone

1/5 - DNF; Didn't get me off

Gameplay is split in two phases. A sandbox VN phase and a 4X style exploration phase. The sandbox phase is boring because of a lack of choices. You'll typically end up reading 10-20 minutes of text and then get a choice of watch/don't watch scene. In fact, 90% of choices are watch/don't watch scene. The other choices have little impact on the story. The 4X phase suffers because the map is barren. You walk around, get a random SFW encounter and then one of your resources goes up. That's pretty much it, there was only one NSFW scene I found when exploring and only one quest scene.
Porn consists of 2-3 drawings and ~15 clicks of text. Drawings are good, descriptions are bad. Over 2/3 of all porn scenes are either ntr, (submissive) gay, or femdom. Don't go into this expecting an evil tough guy harem game. But even if those are your kinks, the scenes fail because of the story, as described below.

The story doesn't make any sense. MC is introduced as a tough guy hero who selflessly saved the world from a demonic invasion, but now all of a sudden he's so selfish that he decides to destroy the whole world for personal reasons? What? And another thing, MC is a skilled warrior who has killed hundreds of demons, but now suddenly two are too much for him to handle so he becomes their slave? Ridiculous. Other reviewers praise the game for being "dark" - at one point early in the game you have a choice of killing your friend or watching as your master kills 12 civilians. But why can't you just kill your master? It doesn't make any sense, and it seems that the story is simply dark for the sake of being edgy, not because it naturally flows there.
And if you are interested in any of the submissive content, it's even worse. Again, MC acts like a tough alpha male yet in almost all of the submissive sex scenes he transforms into a whining bitch. There is absolutely no attempt to reconcile these two sides of him. Is he maybe a secret submissive, does Andras really turn him on, or what? Why the sudden transformation? And of course after the scene is over MC transforms back to normal as if nothing happened. There will be no mention of the events that happened. So if you choose to get immersed and stay in character none of the scenes will make sense. Here is a typical scene for example: "To prove your loyalty, you must suck my dick. Muhahahaha! Oh? You don't want to? Well ok I guess you don't have to..." It's the same for ntr and femdom scenes. There is no setup, no corruption, nothing. You either stay in character and skip the scene, or throw out immersion to watch a scene that doesn't make sense. It's almost like the devs wrote the porn scenes first and then clumsily wrapped a story around to fit.

When I play VNs, especially VNs with 10+ minutes of dialogue between choices, I want to get immersed in the story, in the characters. This story is so awful that I couldn't do that here. And because there is so much story, after I realized I wasn't getting immersed I just started skipping to the scenes so I could bust a nut. But the scenes here don't make sense without the story, so with the exception of two lengthy scenes, none of them did anything for me.
So in short, regardless of whether you're here for the porn, the story, or the gameplay, it's a hard pass.


- Skill checks are made using a D&D like DC system. Luck, not careful allocation of points, decides whether you pass the checks.
- The artist cannot draw faces. They are all ugly.
- A few scenes have very bright high contrast drawings.
- Very slow development speed.

This is a very well written game with incredible variety.

On the fantasy/adventure side of things, it has an interesting story with defined and diverse characters. You can see your evil or good choices having an effect on Rowan and on those around him throughout the game. The erotic side of writing is also fantastic. Not only do Seeds of Chaos’ developers write some very spicy scenes; the game is inclusive of many different sexualities, kinks, and general options. There might be one or two other games on this site that come close to this level of variety, but I don’t think any are as well-organized as SoC.

Without going into details, I also want to mention that I appreciate how dark this story can get at times and how many weird places it visits. I think it’s rare to see that in a game of this caliber. I just want to stress: really, you won’t be disappointed by the story.

The art is expressive and lovely. The castle management system can be fun. It also has a neat system of map exploration, if you’re into that kind of thing. Overall, there are so many mechanics in this game that impress and set it far above the average eroge.

However, there are some mechanical issues I don’t like, and unfortunately they’re kind of significant. Some events are locked behind stat checks—I think this would be fine if there were either an easy way grind stats early or a more convenient way to save-scum. However, because some scenes with high DC can trigger early, and some high DCs are outright baked into the story early, you end up with playthroughs where it’s like: “Week 6: I failed my perception check finding the noble woman, was blocked by this failure, and did nothing. Week 7: again, failed the check; did nothing. Week 8: again, did nothing… Week 12: I finally passed my perception check and was able to begin this storyline.”

There are also some events that are just entirely random. You could play this game 100 times and never see parts of this game or have them be a part in your current playthrough’s story. Again, this can work for other games where you restart often and quickly. However, because this game is so grindy and because the entire point of this game are its scenes, it’s very frustrating to replay/reload the game several times over and never find the story you’re looking for.

Regardless, I wouldn’t be so frustrated about those mechanical issues if I wasn’t so in love with the storytelling that I want to see all of its scenes so badly. Overall, I feel like Seeds of Chaos is a must-play for anyone who likes a good story.

Its not bad, in fact theres a lot of potential here. But this game being in development for 5 years or something like that, its next to barren. You literally have like 3 story points so far. Some fun porn scenes in between, for sure, but still its way to little for the time this games been in development. Really wish theyd drop this one and focus on the darkest dungeon one, its much better. 3 stars are mainly for the fact theres not much to do story wise, if you dont mind that you can easily give it 5 stars. I cant.