Seeking verdict on the definition of NTR and can it be in a Female protagonist game?

[Maxh]

So I was on Discord of a F95 game I have followed and playing for a while, and there was an argument in the discord as to if a Female protagonist game could also be an NTR game. With Myself and another person explaining why there was no problem calling a Female protagonist game "NTR". With another person "arguing" that is wasn't possible for a Female protagonist game to be NTR.

However NTR is not my main genre I am normally interested in so maby I am somewhat mistaken. Or I am mixing up definitions because If I'm not mistaken NTR, Netorara, and one other term mean different things in the same category but get used interchangeably.

My argument:

The NTR genre is literally defined by the negative emotion of helpless jealousy. That emotion is the defining point of the genres literal existence. As long as that emotional state is being portrayed to the audience to the point where it is felt it is NTR. You are mistaking the Simple NTR premis for its genre with NTR with a cuck pov. NTR does not have to have a cuck pov. So yes a fem protagonist game can absolutely be NTR.

NTR is normally from the male perspective not the female perspective. But NTR is not just cheating. It is the woman being stolen from the guy. Either by blackmail or R slavery, her being Seduce and leaving. Lots of women cheat AND stay with the guy they cheat on, cucks even encourage it. NTR is where the guy is helpless to stop his woman from being stolen/leaving him for one reason or another. (And yes a Female protagonist game can be NTR from a different POV)

You can feel bad for a character even if your not in that characters pov. Lots of Hollywood movies have a character suffer misfortune and you feel bad for them without being in their pov... maby if adult authors did more then their own self pleasure we would have more competent writing in adult gaming.

You can feel the helpless jealousy by being sympathetic to the character which is what 99% of non adult storytelling does with their emotions.

Further you can understand and feel the emotion and then kick dirt on it and bask in someone's victory too. You can't bask in the victory without rubbing in the felt emotion. Female protagonist POV would be an excellent angle for showing both sides of the equation. We can see the side of the loser and the bull with fem protagonist.

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My friends argument in TLDR format:

The female protagonist pov allows you to choose if NTR happens, giving the player control over the story allowing for more RPG elements and different playthroughs.

Think Fallout: New Vegas role playing where you playthrough multiple times and do different stories and take the side of different factions)

Female protagonist gives the player control over an NTR story which is impossible for the male to have control in NTR

To him NTR as a genre is that NTR is taking place in the story even if our character is not the victim we still engage with it and the emotions even if we are not the loser.
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Our opponents argument was basically him calling us stupid and posting clown emojis. At a certain point I thought he might bring up that there are three different terms under the NTR umbrella and we were mixing up our terms, but he never did that. All he did was demonstrated he was a toxic member of the discord..

So can I get a verdict on this? What do people think?

 

[KaltesHerz]

NTR is simply the theft of a loved one or very close friend by someone else and how it affects the MC (netorare)

the gender of the MC has no bearing

if however the MC flatly doesn't care or doesnt know, then it's not NTR because it doesn't affect him or her, it's just cheating at that point

netorase is the willing allowance of a SO to screw around, like wife sharing or I guess an open marriage might qualify

 

[Maxh]

NTR is simply the theft of a loved one or very close friend by someone else and how it affects the MC (netorare)

the gender of the MC has no bearing

if however the MC flatly doesn't care or doesnt know, then it's not NTR because it doesn't affect him or her, it's just cheating at that point

netorase is the willing allowance of a SO to screw around, like wife sharing or I guess an open marriage might qualify

So what happens if you are the one being stolen... or you are the bull doing the stealing?

 

[KaltesHerz]

So what happens if you are the one being stolen... or you are the bull doing the stealing?

if you're doing the stealing then it doesn't apply to you, because you're obviously not being stolen from

as for being stolen, i would say it doesn't apply, because you're not technically the victim in the same way as the SO is when they finally realize whats happened

in most games the "target" becomes a dumb cock bimbo after the first fuck anyway

ntr is about the feeling of being stolen from, i should have an AI write this to make it more understandable lol

 

[Maxh]

if you're doing the stealing then it doesn't apply to you, because you're obviously not being stolen from

as for being stolen, i would say it doesn't apply, because you're not technically the victim in the same way as the SO is when they finally realize whats happened

in most games the "target" becomes a dumb cock bimbo after the first fuck anyway

ntr is about the feeling of being stolen from, i should have an AI write this to make it more understandable lol

So what would you say to the argument that you can feel a characters emotions and sympathize with them even if it's not the main?

Also what would you call being stolen or doing the stealing if they are not NTR what are they? (I would also argue that you can still interact with the NTR emotion even if it's not the character main, because the emotion is still part of the story what makes POV nessacary?)

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

Stolen MC (genders are involved don't matter) is NTR (it can also be tagged cheating, but not all NTR is cheating, in particular involving betrayal by family members). Cuck MC is obviously NTR. Stealer MC is netori. But there is no universal definition of NTR, which is why you get these endless threads about it. For me, stories about moms / sisters fucking their son's bully 100% pass the NTR vibe-check, so that's what it is to me, and if it happens to be the bully's perspective it's netori.

 

[desmosome]

So what happens if you are the one being stolen... or you are the bull doing the stealing?

*you* are not being stolen, a character in a story is, even if that's the mc. Your op is on the right track.

Netorare is just the female being stolen (corrupted) by the baddie. Reverse ntr is when male protag gets stolen by some bitch.

Cuck centric interpretations are usually the side effect of self inserting.

 

[Geigi]

Gender doesn't matter. Other women could steal a man from FMC and it is NTR. For example, Mila's sister from Mila AI game will steal Mila's husband and I'm rooting for her. Why? She loves Paul and Mila is cheating on him in ntr route. What I like? To play ntr game from a female perspective just to be stolen by a better man. What woman doesn't like when guys want her that much to fight over her?

 

[Tadpol]

My friends argument in TLDR format:

The female protagonist pov allows you to choose if NTR happens, giving the player control over the story allowing for more RPG elements and different playthroughs.

Think Fallout: New Vegas role playing where you playthrough multiple times and do different stories and take the side of different factions)

Female protagonist gives the player control over an NTR story which is impossible for the male to have control in NTR

To him NTR as a genre is that NTR is taking place in the story even if our character is not the victim we still engage with it and the emotions even if we are not the loser.

Your buddy mixes porn game tropes and the NTR genre.

Often a game with a female protagonist, it can be summed up as how I went from faithful, shy and inexperienced housewife to sex addict who gets gangbanged by the whole city.

Except that here, the FMC does not have her husband stolen, and the game does not take place through the eyes of the husband.

In addition, your buddy projects himself into the game as a man, and so if the MC is a woman, he projects himself into her husband.

Finally, it would also seem that he associates the NTR genre with very specific game mechanics; namely a game where male MC cannot avoid having his LI stolen, and when you have a female MC, then you have the choice of cheating or not on the female MC's LI.