So Many Star Wars Games, So Few Incest Star Wars Games

[gunderson]

Right off the bat: if you hate incest and wish no game ever again had incest, I feel you. For my part, I'd be perfectly happy if every game I ever played for the rest of my life didn't have futas or traps or out-and-out gay content. But the people who like that stuff wouldn't be happy in that world, and I'd be a dick for cutting off their access to porn games that they like if I was somehow able to make it happen and did so. Therefore, in solidarity with one another as deviants of various types, why don't we all just accept that not everybody likes the same stuff but that, as long as the stuff you like keeps getting made, it's not a big deal if stuff other people like gets made too. Cool? Cool.

I'll admit, there are a couple of attempts that have included Darth Vader (including one by a rather skeezy dev I'd rather not mention) and princess Leia, though I can't recall them actually getting to the deed itself. Like, I'm not even sure if they got to hand stuff. But let me ask you this: have you ever played a Star Wars game where you play as Luke and you bang Leia, or for that matter where you play Leia and bang Luke? Because I fucking haven't. And it's weird as hell to me that one of the highest profile incest relationships in mainstream tv/film (third in my estimation only to Back to the Future's Marty and Lorraine or more recently Game of Thrones' Jaime and Cersei/Daenerys and Jon, which I'm glad to say have both been made into some indie porn game versions) hasn't at some point been made into a full-fledged Star Wars indie porn game or even just Star Wars knockoff indie porn game. And it's not like the Star Wars license is what's scaring people off, because there are quite a few non-incestuous Star Wars games out/in development/with some progress made but now abandoned.

For a while now, it's probably been easy enough to argue that that relationship is too obvious and Patreon would shut it down. Sure, maybe. But we're in the era of Subscribestar now, my babies, and there are a lot of possibilities open now that haven't been available since...oh, 2017 or so.

So, the two part question:
1) Did I miss one? Is there actually a Star Wars (or so close to Star Wars that the relationships are easily recognizable) indie porn game that I've missed where the male Luke character beds the female Leia character and they are actually blood relatives?
2) Is anybody developing something like this/wants to toot their own horn about it? I'd love to see just this sort of porn game, and would be more than happy to back a Star Wars porn game with a decent demo out that actually has real plans to include incest content.

 

[PrinceOfShades]

For a while now, it's probably been easy enough to argue that that relationship is too obvious and Patreon would shut it down. Sure, maybe. But we're in the era of Subscribestar now, my babies, and there are a lot of possibilities open now that haven't been available since...oh, 2017 or so.

You say that, and it might be true, but go ahead and compare the number of Patreon subscribers and Subscribestar subscribers that big developers have. There are a couple of individuals who make a ton of money through Subscribestar, but nowhere near the amount that Patreon developers make.
Why? From what I've heard, Subscribestar is less trusted than Patreon and also offers less payment options.

All of this is a long way of saying: alternatives aren't necessarily good.

There is also another issue that occurs here. When you use the characters from a popular TV title, everyone automatically knows their relationships. You can't hide that X is related to Y if the original material says so and everyone knows it. For spin-offs with new characters or straight up new games there are a few ways to have an incest game on Patreon.

Right off the bat: if you hate incest and wish no game ever again had incest, I feel you. For my part, I'd be perfectly happy if every game I ever played for the rest of my life didn't have futas or traps or out-and-out gay content. But the people who like that stuff wouldn't be happy in that world, and I'd be a dick for cutting off their access to porn games that they like if I was somehow able to make it happen and did so. Therefore, in solidarity with one another as deviants of various types, why don't we all just accept that not everybody likes the same stuff but that, as long as the stuff you like keeps getting made, it's not a big deal if stuff other people like gets made too. Cool? Cool.

You're not wrong, but I think you kind of missed the mark.
People don't usually complain because "I hate futa and everyone else who likes it is bad".
In most cases, individuals are frustrated after seeing that a game which would've been perfect for them is "ruined" by something they dislike. It's kind of like discovering a really good meal at a local restaurant and finding a dick right on top of it. Some people just dismiss it and look for other games, some get annoyed instantly and others are irritated when this becomes too repetitive.

 

[Hagatagar]

Star Wars (at least the original trilogy) is a rather old property (~40 years old). Back in the days fanfics were a niche product and lewd ones were even harder to find, especially with a highly taboorized topic like incest. I bet those were in high demand back then. You know, taboo and stuff. Those stories surely had their prime time back then.

But time moved on and so did Star Wars and their actors. In the next trilogy Darth Vader was suddenly a young dude, who looked much younger then his daughter in the original trilogy. Kinda hard to spin a good story around that (To be honest, for obvious reasons he looked fucked up in the Orginals anyway (ugly bastard wasn't a thing back then)).
And if you look at the latest movies, Luke and Leia are pretty old, not many would ship them at that age.

So in conclusion: Original Star Wars may be too old for those kind of games nowadays. Yes, you see Darth Vader and Lightsabers and stuff like this all the time (After all Disney wants your money!), but that doesn't mean the original Star Wars is still that relevant to modern/today's "Star Wars Fans" (There are a bunch of them who haven't even seen the Originals, they only know the memes).


And maybe it's because Luke and Leia had a real incest moment in the original movies.
Suddenly the taboo is only half as interesting and it becomes disgusting, because it is no longer a fantasy.


But what do I know, I am more of a Star Trek guy anyway.

 

[gunderson]

You say that, and it might be true, but go ahead and compare the number of Patreon subscribers and Subscribestar subscribers that big developers have. There are a couple of individuals who make a ton of money through Subscribestar, but nowhere near the amount that Patreon developers make.
Why? From what I've heard, Subscribestar is less trusted than Patreon and also offers less payment options.

All of this is a long way of saying: alternatives aren't necessarily good.

There is also another issue that occurs here. When you use the characters from a popular TV title, everyone automatically knows their relationships. You can't hide that X is related to Y if the original material says so and everyone knows it. For spin-offs with new characters or straight up new games there are a few ways to have an incest game on Patreon.

I'm not sure I get your point as to why alternatives are bad in the case of Patreon vs. Subscribestar. Sure, if somebody is a completely mercenary game dev who doesn't give a shit about what they're making and just wants to get some cash (this isn't an unsympathetic position to me, as everybody gotta eat, but it does imply that they aren't particularly creatively invested in what they're making) then Patreon is absolutely the way to go rather than Subscribestar. But if you actually DO care about your final product, I think there's definitely something to be said for the obviously greater creative freedom that Subscribestar provides if the restrictions of Patreon are relevant to what you're going to make. That creative freedom can be valuable not just for creators but for potential supporters looking for niche products. In this case, obvious Luke and Leia sex games aren't going to fly on Patreon, so it's not even really a question of 'alternatives.' That only works on Subscribestar, so the presence of that platform allows for the possibility of games that simply can't be made on Patreon. I, again, absolutely do not see how that hurts anybody whatsoever aside from perhaps some extremely socially conservative Disney fans who think incest is gross or don't want to think about people from the 1970s boning, and it directly benefits people who want to see Luke put his lightsaber in Leia's exhaust port.
It's also totally cool to me if you aren't interested in seeing that game, but I am, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are others out there who have wanted such a game to get made and it hasn't been up until this point for precisely reasons of Patreon being prudish (not necessarily by choice, but nonetheless) and the only game in town.

You're not wrong, but I think you kind of missed the mark.
People don't usually complain because "I hate futa and everyone else who likes it is bad".
In most cases, individuals are frustrated after seeing that a game which would've been perfect for them is "ruined" by something they dislike. It's kind of like discovering a really good meal at a local restaurant and finding a dick right on top of it. Some people just dismiss it and look for other games, some get annoyed instantly and others are irritated when this becomes too repetitive.

The way I see it, there are two different cases you're mixing together in your example, and they work pretty differently from each other.
Case 1: the initial design of a game has a fetish you don't like. In that case, I don't think the critic who doesn't like that fetish has a leg to stand on. The game isn't for them, the dev is making that game for a different audience, and that's fine. It doesn't matter if everything else about the game would in theory be interesting to you, the fact remains that the game overall just isn't for you due to its tags. That's okay. There are lots of games out there and not everything has to be tailor-made for your specific preferences precisely because other people then get excluded. The more game variety that gets made, the more there is for everybody.
Case 2: you supported a game for a while, it's great, let's say for the purposes of making an example that it's exclusively had heterosexual sex in it up until this point. Now, it's update 11, and suddenly the dev is adding an unavoidable man-on-man anal sex scene. In that case, assuming you're not into man-on-man anal sex, I think you have every right not only to complain that the dev is adding content that at least doesn't add to the game if not compromising its quality for you, but also to stop supporting the game.

But to clarify, I was exclusively talking about case 1 (initial design of a game includes a fetish you hate). I don't think the critic's position in that example holds water. You may disagree, but I think my argument there at least makes sense.

Star Wars (at least the original trilogy) is a rather old property (~40 years old). Back in the days fanfics were a niche product and lewd ones were even harder to find, especially with a highly taboorized topic like incest. I bet those were in high demand back then. You know, taboo and stuff. Those stories surely had their prime time back then.

But time moved on and so did Star Wars and their actors. In the next trilogy Darth Vader was suddenly a young dude, who looked much younger then his daughter in the original trilogy. Kinda hard to spin a good story around that (To be honest, for obvious reasons he looked fucked up in the Orginals anyway (ugly bastard wasn't a thing back then)).
And if you look at the latest movies, Luke and Leia are pretty old, not many would ship them at that age.

So in conclusion: Original Star Wars may be too old for those kind of games nowadays. Yes, you see Darth Vader and Lightsabers and stuff like this all the time (After all Disney wants your money!), but that doesn't mean the original Star Wars is still that relevant to modern/today's "Star Wars Fans" (There are a bunch of them who haven't even seen the Originals, they only know the memes).


And maybe it's because Luke and Leia had a real incest moment in the original movies.
Suddenly the taboo is only half as interesting and it becomes disgusting, because it is no longer a fantasy.


But what do I know, I am more of a Star Trek guy anyway.

I'm not entirely convinced that the people the new Star Wars trilogy was aimed at (I'd describe that group as 'young people with bad taste') are the only people interested in indie Star Wars porn games. It's a fairly old property (though not as old as Star Trek, which I am a bigger fan of but have less investment in as a sexy product), and I'm also not aware of any data saying that the only people supporting indie porn games are young people who like Disney shit. There are some people out of their twenties with disposable income whose genitals still work who like space lasers and incest, after all, and I don't think there's anything about Luke and Leia kissing that makes seeing them fuck be less sexy than if we never saw them kiss on screen. Canon incest=wincest.

 

[PrinceOfShades]

I'm not sure I get your point as to why alternatives are bad in the case of Patreon vs. Subscribestar. Sure, if somebody is a completely mercenary game dev who doesn't give a shit about what they're making and just wants to get some cash (this isn't an unsympathetic position to me, as everybody gotta eat, but it does imply that they aren't particularly creatively invested in what they're making) then Patreon is absolutely the way to go rather than Subscribestar. But if you actually DO care about your final product, I think there's definitely something to be said for the obviously greater creative freedom that Subscribestar provides if the restrictions of Patreon are relevant to what you're going to make. That creative freedom can be valuable not just for creators but for potential supporters looking for niche products. In this case, obvious Luke and Leia sex games aren't going to fly on Patreon, so it's not even really a question of 'alternatives.' That only works on Subscribestar, so the presence of that platform allows for the possibility of games that simply can't be made on Patreon. I, again, absolutely do not see how that hurts anybody whatsoever aside from perhaps some extremely socially conservative Disney fans who think incest is gross or don't want to think about people from the 1970s boning, and it directly benefits people who want to see Luke put his lightsaber in Leia's exhaust port.
It's also totally cool to me if you aren't interested in seeing that game, but I am, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are others out there who have wanted such a game to get made and it hasn't been up until this point for precisely reasons of Patreon being prudish (not necessarily by choice, but nonetheless) and the only game in town.

It is definitely true that Subscribestar offers more creative freedom when it comes to adult games. Of course, it's still a viable alternative and it's up to developers to decide which platform suits them. However, considering the amount of support people generally receive on Subscribestar (because no new developer expects to become a top earner), the gap is big enough between the two platforms to discourage a lot of devs from choosing it. We're not talking about a 10% difference in support/income here. I haven't found any statistics to compare, but from my personal "browsing experience" support is at least 50% less on Subscribestar, no matter how niche the game is.
There's also the issue of continuity and what devs want from the future. If, say, after the Star Wars incest game is finished, the developer wants to make an original story with only incest or no incest at all, then Patreon would be better suited for that. The choices that the dev has at that moment is:
1. be limited by subscribestar's lower support when you don't need the creative freedoms - basically take the disadvantages without receiving any advantage;
2. move to patreon (which is not that small of an undertaking).
In other words, if a developer strictly wants to create niche games for the rest of their "career", then Subscribestar might be something to consider. This is only one aspect of the decision. Obviously there are way more things to consider.

Additionally, a Star Wars incest game also sits on the very line between Patreon and Subscribestar. Incest is small enough to normally go on Patreon with a few precautions, but in this exception it isn't. This is considering that incest is the only thing that goes against Patreon rules in this example. If a Star Wars game has incest and rape, the balance tips in favor of Subscribestar. Otherwise, devs have to ask themselves: "is it really worth it?".

But yeah, the number of capable devs who are available, willing AND wanting to work on a parody (game after an IP) and be limited by subscribestar is probably very low. They're kind of a bunch of rare filters stacked on top of each other.

The way I see it, there are two different cases you're mixing together in your example, and they work pretty differently from each other.
Case 1: the initial design of a game has a fetish you don't like. In that case, I don't think the critic who doesn't like that fetish has a leg to stand on. The game isn't for them, the dev is making that game for a different audience, and that's fine. It doesn't matter if everything else about the game would in theory be interesting to you, the fact remains that the game overall just isn't for you due to its tags. That's okay. There are lots of games out there and not everything has to be tailor-made for your specific preferences precisely because other people then get excluded. The more game variety that gets made, the more there is for everybody.
Case 2: you supported a game for a while, it's great, let's say for the purposes of making an example that it's exclusively had heterosexual sex in it up until this point. Now, it's update 11, and suddenly the dev is adding an unavoidable man-on-man anal sex scene. In that case, assuming you're not into man-on-man anal sex, I think you have every right not only to complain that the dev is adding content that at least doesn't add to the game if not compromising its quality for you, but also to stop supporting the game.

But to clarify, I was exclusively talking about case 1 (initial design of a game includes a fetish you hate). I don't think the critic's position in that example holds water. You may disagree, but I think my argument there at least makes sense.

No, I don't disagree. I was talking about number 1 as well. They're basically outbursts that happen when someone's done with something. I don't think they're entirely malicious (most of them), they're kind of a natural reaction to what people experience. Do I think it's right to vent like that? No. They're definitely in the wrong here. I personally just shut up and look for another game and that's what everyone should do. But since we're on the internet and everyone's allowed to give voice to their thoughts, you'll get the occasional person who's tired of it and decides to complain. This, I think, is the explanation.
I also agree on case 2. Developers should announce planned tags from the beginning and stick to them. Any other additional tags should be entirely avoidable in game.

 

[arcaos]

It might be as simple as doing the Luke/Leia incest implicitly cucks Han (who might be the most popular OT character?) You could rewrite him as a rival/bully, but then you risk alienating fans.

Then the dev has to rewrite the OT because the two characters spend shockingly little screen time together. Maybe 15 minutes, most of which is shared with Han? So at that point, why even bother with the IP if you have to rework everything?