Sponsorion

[Xhianil]

So I found this on Tumblr today and thought it'd be of interest to everyone here for obvious reasons

 

[Chel]

Seems kind of if'fy. I mean, they are trying to sell themselves by saying that no one will be left out then how loose are the rules?
I mean, currently the peak of "weird" cartoon porn is near Shadmans level. Would you actually want people to make more weird shit or what?
I dont have a problem with the idea, they just could be more specific.

 

[Xhianil]

Seems kind of if'fy. I mean, they are trying to sell themselves by saying that no one will be left out then how loose are the rules?
I mean, currently the peak of "weird" cartoon porn is near Shadmans level. Would you actually want people to make more weird shit or what?
I dont have a problem with the idea, they just could be more specific.

I'm with you there, but maybe they are still negotiating and need some stats to prove interest to get looser rules with payment processing.

 

[DSSAlex]

I'll keep my eye on it. I want to believe.

 

[MadDany]

We should believe. Or else the alternative is shitty patreon. And we know what's happening to DmD there as well as other popular games.

 

[DarthSeduction]

Hi
Sponsorion caught my eye and I reached out to them with a few questions of the top of my head:

1: How will you handle vat for creators? Will you offer the same service as Patreon in this regard?

2: Will Payoneer be a part of your payment solution for transferring money from your site?


3: How about certain sexual fetiches, like incest, rape, mind control and such? Will they be allowed on Sponsorium?


4: Is Paypal going to be part of this?
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Here is their response:​

1. The payment processor we're in talks with for receiving payments, EmerchantBroker, does indeed handle VAT, so it will likely be similar to the service Patreon offers (automatically taking it into account). EMB is a 'high risk' processor that openly works with the adult content industry. Its rates are also highly competitive, with the initial rate of 3.95% +0.35c for new partners that will eventually fall to ~2.95%+0.35c (which is nearly identical to the rate [2.9+0.35] Paypal is giving Patreon).
High Risk processing has gotten a great deal more competitive over the past decade in general, although most of them
aren't capable of handling crowdfunding platforms.

2. Although Payoneer is, in practice, a major processor for adult content of all kinds, it appears their corporate policy is to deny this and refuse to work with companies that admit to having any interaction with the porn industry (even if the company itself is not involved in the porn creation). This is based on the last time we tried to speak with them, and suggests that they'll only work with us if we deceive them. That strikes us as a poor, rather unstable choice for our processing needs. Our current plan is to handle payouts by directly utilizing bank ACH services. Which is done by competitive payout handlers as well, they just have the process expedited / automated.
This does mean that payouts will work more like they did when Patreon was getting started (a few days after the start of each month). They probably also handled the ACH process themselves back then, although we don't know that for sure. In the long run we'll need to fully automate the payouts, but in the long run we'll also be a sizable company which will open doors not readily available for a start-up.

3. They will be allowed, yes. Everything you mentioned is legal to depict in the U.S., which is what will be determining what is and is not allowed. We're incorporated in Illinois, to be specific.

4. Paypal is extremely hostile to adult content creators, we're not working with them. It took Patreon several years to get Paypal on board, and we don't know what kind of concessions they had to make to do it. At the very least we'd need to be a multi-million dollar company for Paypal to even consider working with us without demanding content restrictions.

Please feel free to email us any other questions you may have!

Best Wishes,

The Sponsorion Team
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Cheers - Kaffekop

from the thread "Alternatives to Patreon."

 

[gamersglory]

Don't Know if they will be able to handle all the legal issues they need to theres more to it then building a site

 

[DarthSeduction]

Don't Know if they will be able to handle all the legal issues they need to theres more to it then building a site

From the sounds of things that's what they're doing. Else they'd probably be launched already.

 

[Zippity]

All the stuff they need to tackle would include a Reliable and Upstanding Financial Partner or Partners, placing all the tools in place for compliance with local and International Tax Laws, Complying with local and international Business Licensing Laws, registering with local or international business practice monitoring sites (this will ensure more transparency and monitoring of proper business standards as well as customer satisfaction), customer service practices such as phone number-support email-live chat-etc, and lots of other stuff... Running an online business that deals with international customers has a lot of hoops to jump through to be compliant with local and international laws, in order to be a legitimate and trustworthy business... Not sure a lot of these supposed newly forming Patreon Alternative business' actually understand all that stuff or are experienced with it... It mostly appears to just be a bunch of angry developers and/or players wanting sites with fewer rules but similar setup to Patreon, without knowing fully everything Patreon has to do on the backend to be compliant and be legit...

Guess we'll need to see... One of the other alternative's financial partner is getting sued for over 250 million dollars for failing to comply with local licensing requirements, if that shows you how reliable some of these more shady companies are with fewer rule restrictions...

I always recommend to do your homework first, before committing money and/or personal information to some of these new startups and their partner companies...

 

[Jai Ho]

I don't get it. You know Chaturbate, big US and EU cam sites... they take Paypal / MC / Visa /AmEx/ Cirrus. Not only do they sell tokens but they have a big shop of adult toys. vids, etc. They even have that inflatable "Asian Dream Doll" that you were always wanting, lol. It's not like they seem to have a tough time with service providers.

 

[gunderson]

Nice to hear some Patreon alternatives directly addressing porn content issues rather than just wanting to be Patreon as it currently exists but without the rules on hate speech.

That being said, I think it's probably still in a 'wait and see' sort of place for most people here (what with the high risk of a project as nascent as this failing), especially since this is really more of a risky investment opportunity rather than something it makes sense to crowdfund at this point. After all, if this shit works then they have the potential to make Patreon levels of money, but the legal challenges might make them fail even if they have intentions and good heads on their shoulders.

 

[Mab's Thrall22]

With as much as it is taking to get this project launched and off the ground, I do think the developers have the best intentions. I have contacted them a couple of times now and have always gotten a response in a day or two. As said above, it is alot of work and there are several things to tackle to get something like done. I agree it is a wait and see, but with talking with one of the developers, they want to make this site work. I am hopeful they succeed, but there is still a long ways to go.

 

[gamersglory]

Any legitimate site will not be able to take Paypal or Stripe as neither of them wants to have anything to do with adult content. @Zippty You seem to be asking for Reliable and Upstanding Financial Partner or Partners. That's not going to happen and if it does they would not want their name associated with that site as it would hurt their name in other business. Tax-wise you register with the US, Canada, UK and EU other than that you expand as needed. The site you are talking about would require too much start-up Capital and would result in fees to creators of 20% or more to support. as your site is tailored to adult content

 

[PinkysBrain]

I don't get it. You know Chaturbate, big US and EU cam sites... they take Paypal / MC / Visa /AmEx/ Cirrus. Not only do they sell tokens but they have a big shop of adult toys. vids, etc. They even have that inflatable "Asian Dream Doll" that you were always wanting, lol. It's not like they seem to have a tough time with service providers.

Epoch has some special deal with Paypal, but I doubt it extends beyond the stuff Patreon allows.