Story focused games should have "no sex" tag added until they do. Change my mind.

Ivan1000

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I noticed a lot of games here in their early stages (Ver 0.1) especially those that focus on story and character building tend to leave the actual sex part out till about 5 or 6 updates later. (Unless you're Inceton, then its 10 updates later)

Usually the MC will just be teased or cockblocked till the so called "sex" update arrives.

Therefore I believe games like that should get a "no sex" tag till their "sex" update so that people looking for a quick fap won't be disappointed and rate it 1 star
 

Girm Ork

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There are games with no sex at all but with other sexual activities like voyeurism, foot-fetich, masturbation, pissing and etc. And they are good enough for quick fap too. We can't limit porn games to direct sex only.
 

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Nah, you don't play a story driven game for the sex, you play for the story and get the sex, the build up is great. + as Grim Ork mentioned above there are other things that aren't penetration that are sexual in nature (titjob, blow job or voyeurism etc)
 

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It's a question of what your after really, some games have very little sexual content and end up being good, making you earn the pay off and making it feel more satisfying by doing so, others use it as a way to bait their patrons into staying around and just end up blue balling the player over and over, it's not solely about volume of sexual content or how regularly that content is delivered.

IMO you need to manage the rate at which sex scenes occur, the time it takes to get to them, the size and depth of those scenes, you could call it "sex density" of a game, how much of the game is sex compared to build up and gameplay ect. I've played games that have a very high sex density from the first update and they often end up being too reliant on the sex scenes and not really doing as much as they could with the story, however if you end up front loading the story and end loading the sex content too much then the sex will be too dense at the end and become monotonous, which sucks after such a long build up.

I think in part this is because a lot of devs don't use/understand the "act" structure of films, books and plays, they don't realise that you can put a little in in the beginning then not be obliged to drop sex content every update from then on, in many cases devs seem to feel like they can never release an update with less sex content than the last since that is considered the "good stuff" when, especially in a VN a sex scene without context and build up is less involving to the player in most cases.

As to the actual question of the thread, no, it shouldn't say "no sex content" tag, that would encourage the dev to front load the sex to ovoid this tag and make it less satisfying, however a "sex content pending" tag may be useful though it may also have the previously mentioned undesirable effect.
 
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Games should definitely only have tags related to what the currently available version actually contains, and that includes the "Genre" section of the OP unless prefaced with a clear and obvious "PLANNED CONTENT" disclaimer. Same for content getting removed for whatever reason, if the next Patreon ban or code refactoring removes content then those tags should also be removed unless the old version remains available for download.

I am against using the "no sexual content" tag however because that distinguishes games which are not intended to have sexual content. If the "v0.01alpha pre-release DEMO" in the title didn't tip you off the absence of any and all actual sex tags should, and will also prevent the game from appearing in searches for those tags.
 
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i mean id rather see nudity or milder sexual encounters like titjob than nothing at all and usually the ver 0.01 games will have the more minor stuff, seems kinda pointless to have a tag like that just to remove it later
 

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I wonder if this is about to become the "this game has NTR, right?" flashpoint.

After posting the latest update of Paradise Lust (where I'm the coder), I saw at least two "this has no sex, right... label it no sexual content!". Despite the fact that it so far has oral sex, doggy style sex, handjobs, voyeurisms, girls masturbating and lots of sexting. It seems a subset of the audience is primed to expect no sex; I don't know if that's some recent influx of games from outside, or a reaction to the tech-demo/preview/0.0.1 releases.

Personally I also wouldn't use No Sexual Content tag on something, just because it doesn't have penetration. I've certainly... er... enjoyed games that deal with stripping, strip-poker, flashing, etc... even if they didn't lead to intercourse. To me No Sexual Content would be more appropriate for content like Focus on Me, which was never meant to have any fapping potential. But that might just be me.
 

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They will just get away with it with a Dream Sequence or some minor stuff.
Instead I propose 2 new tags of "minimal sexual content" and "high sexual content/ Nukige" like you see in VNDB.
No tags means its the default balance of normal amounts of sexual content.

I for one would love to see this "Story" games as "minimal sexual content", lets see how really you can sell your game on the Plot on a Porn Site.
 
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Pretentious Goblin

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Sure, as long as your definition of sex isn't "vaginal/anal penetration with a penis". Which sadly seems to be the case for some people. Truth be told though, I don't have a definition. If MC catches a glimpse of a wardrobe malfunction and then we get 30 renders of him jerking off alone in his bedroom, does that count as "sexual content?" I mean, I'm sure it would get some people off. You could require two people to be involved, but that'd be unfair to games focused on voyeurism. And yeah, what do you do about dream sequences and fantasies?
 
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As others are saying, more or less -

No one can change your mind until you provide a working definition of "Sex".

Restricting it to "Acts with sex in the name - oral sex, anal sex, vaginal sex" then you aren't including non-penetrative sex -tittyfuckin', hot dogging, some people are in to armpit fucking, whatever.

Something that would be in an R-Rated movie? That still can be as little as just verbal descriptions of sex. Then again, some people enjoy JOI-type things, so a game catering to that where the characters are telling the invisible MC - and by extension the player - how to wangle their dangles then that's sexual content.

Without you defining what is and isn't sex, it's impossible to agree or disagree as everyone else has their own working definitions - and they seldom line up. For some, it's not really sex until someone's ejaculated inside someone else. For others, a nipple popping out is all they need.
 

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What would be the point? Regardless of how you define what sex is, I can have one update be a "No Sex" version, and the next can have a 1 minute sex scene right at the end and now it's a "Sex Version". You'll still be waddling through god knows how much Story / Non-sexual content.

Then you'll be writing a post to change "Sexual Content" into a multi-tiered system so you can tell from tags how much sex a game contains.
 
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DuniX

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Without you defining what is and isn't sex, it's impossible to agree or disagree as everyone else has their own working definitions - and they seldom line up. For some, it's not really sex until someone's ejaculated inside someone else. For others, a nipple popping out is all they need.
What would be the point? Regardless of how you define what sex is, I can have one update be a "No Sex" version, and the next can have a 1 minute sex scene right at the end and now it's a "Sex Version". You'll still be waddling through god knows how much Story / Non-sexual content.

Then you'll be writing a post to change "Sexual Content" into a multi-tiered system so you can tell from tags how much sex a game contains.
Everyone can Agree on what "Minimal Sex Content" is, and that bypasses most of the issues while serving the intended function.

"No Sex Content" is pretty much a different thing anyway as those games are intended to never have that kind of content, aka they were never porn games in the first place.
 
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lazymunchlax

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Everyone can Agree on what "Minimal Sex Content" is, and that bypasses most of the issues while serving the intended function.
The problem is that "Minimal Sex Content" isn't intuitive. I can look at pretty much any tag or filtering medium and know what it is I'm going to get, for Minimal Sex Content, we're first going to have to agree on what that constitutes and then have that definition pinned somewhere so everyone can tell.

I mean, do we measure sex content as minimal based on how much there is? Is that then defined by how long you spend looking at sex scenes, how many renders there are, how many individual sex scenes there are, the content within the scenes, or some mixture of them? Or do we go with a %. Minimal sex content is when there is a sufficient percentage of sex scenes, or how long it takes to get to them.
 

DuniX

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The problem is that "Minimal Sex Content" isn't intuitive.
VNDB already has this. They judge it as a percentage of the overall content I believe.

Yes it's going to be a subjective tag that is going to be averaged out across the community until a right balance is achieved.
While there can be debates, there will also be more clear examples if the criteria applies or not, and I am more interested in those cases.
I can look at pretty much any tag or filtering medium and know what it is I'm going to get,
The fact that you can already use Filter and Tags means you already using the tools and data available. This would just be another addition to that. And as it is used it will find its own niche.
 

turkler

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After posting the latest update of Paradise Lust (where I'm the coder), I saw at least two "this has no sex, right... label it no sexual content!"
people in this forum can be denser than osmium. some random management game right, I post the actual sex scenes I ripped from the game and one comment later people are back to asking ''Is there sexual content in this game?'' some people don't even bother chacking the info or even the comments of a thread before asking stuff which is most likely already answered
 
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