[Suggestion] Changes to Corruption Tag

[The Anax]

TLDR - As a corruption creator, I would like to suggest that a Sexual Liberation tag be added so as to more easily and readily define that from real corruption games.

Greetings, it is I, The Anax! As you know, for almost a decade around here, I have been making corruption games to titillate your dark little hearts! Mwa ha ha ha! However, as a corruption aficionado and creator, I find MANY titles here are tagged as Corruption, but are not actual corruption. As we all know, corruption means that a person (we'll say woman here since that would cover the majority of titles) become evil, twisted, dare I say, CORRUPT versions of themselves.

However, on countless threads, I find myself having to constantly ask "Before I download this, is it actual corruption or just a game of sexual liberation?" That is, do the women or player become a corrupt, evil version of themselves- or do they simply grow to enjoy sex. Billions of women on Earth enjoy sex and women being sexually liberal is not evil, bad, immoral, wrong, unnatural, or any way corruption at all.

If a woman slowly become infused with the power of a demon, murders her friends, raises their corpses and defiles them in a dark ritual of debauchery- we have ourselves some corruption friends! If a woman's body becomes infested with parasites hellbent on destroying the world and she slowly infiltrates and infects all of her family to join the unholy hivemind- guess what? Corruption! Mwa ha ha ha! If a insane clown turns women into his giggle girl slaves and makes them do hilariously nefarious actions to their coworkers while they laugh their silly clown brains right out of their heads- corruption alert!

However, if we have a game where a woman learns that dopamine being released during sexual intercourse or that physical sensations feel good and she develops a love for sex- that's sexual liberation and should be celebrated as a good thing in the world. If a woman finds that for any reason, she enjoys carnality and grows a sexual appetite- that's not corrupt at all- in fact- it's totally normal female human behavior. "Slut shaming" I think they would call it, for those that would think sexually liberated women are somehow bad or twisted. In fact, people that would call that corrupt, ARE probably corrupted lol Anyway, hopefully this is some food for thought to save me time in the future from having to constantly ask the age-old question:

Is this game a corruption fetish project or a project where a woman finds sexual liberation?

 

[Lapsa]

I think I can agree with that, though with caveats to build off of what you already listed.

While I would be behind the notion that someone merely finding out that sex is good, that they have new fetishes, etc is generally not corruption - if some degree of mental manipulation or coercion is involved I would say its also earned the tag. So bimbo/bimboi-fication would be a form of corruption, sissification and orientation play, as would brainwashing a person towards some end. Additionally if the game is explicitly focused on the descent into some perceived depravity that erodes at one's personality and life rather than it being depicted as a liberating experience, the tag is probably also good to tack on just for the sake of convenience. A demon or malice need not be involved, nor murder or evil - though those should certainly earn the tag.


I don't think there's any malice behind the current use of 'corruption' being used in games where there is not 'actual corruption' and instead merely a person having more sex, however. I think its a consequence of it being an easy and consolidated thing to clump together a person freeing themselves of inhibitions or otherwise becoming more obsessed with sex. The real problem are the games that include legal corruption in the story, and therefore add the corruption tag - confusing everyone, including themselves.

 

[The Anax]

Yes, in all my examples, you will see that it takes an outside force to corrupt someone for their to be a corruption fetish. A corruption tag is (or at least should be) shorthand for "Evil Mind Control Here". But, if a character on a game begins liking sex under any conditions of their own volition- that's just sexual liberation. The biggest prude can change over time to enjoy sex. In the real world, rape victims can also still enjoy sex- and in some cases even become hypersexual. Multiple partners is also not evil or corrupt. So, yes, I agree, it requires and outside force turning them evil.

I'll add that CORRUPTION fetish does not even NEED sex. Sexual liberation would, but plenty of media has what corruption fetishist like me find hot. Kerrigan becomes Queen of Blades via the Overmind? Hot. No sex. Bastila becomes a Sith because of Malakk? Hot. No sex. So, a lot of this corruption stuff here, it's not at all my fetish or a turn on.

 

[Lapsa]

Oh, for sure! Sex isn't a requirement for corruption - though to be fair I think in 99.99% of cases you find here it'll be at the very least strongly implied or sexualization (as in the case of Kerrigan's design change [at least in her game]) will be involved. Its usually tied together with some 'primal' or 'bestial' aspect of a person being roused - which is kind of like the sexual liberation thing I guess in terms of it being an otherwise normal thing that is fixated on and enhanced as part of a larger change.

I'd also state that self-corruption is a thing, though I suppose in regards to your definitions the lines between that and sexual liberation would be blurred a bit.

 

[The Anax]

I'd also state that self-corruption is a thing, though I suppose in regards to your definitions the lines between that and sexual liberation would be blurred a bit.

Well, that's the thing though, the tautology involved. Like, what you call self-corruption, is it really a thing? Let me make pretend using, uh, Samus and Phazon. Let us say I make a game and I have this dark substance called Phazon that defiles anything that it touches. Now, my character, Samus, has always wanted to be corrupted. She thinks it is hot/fun, whatever, and so she seeks out the Phazon and bathes in it. Is that corruption? Was this character already wanting that, so they were already corrupt?

Maybe a game with a drug that turns women into bimbos. If a person got the pills and took them willingly, and became a bimbo, is that corrupt? As a corruption fetishist, I can say that scenario does not turn me on at all.

Now let's spin them around! Samus is trying to stop this substance called Phazon, and falls into a pit of the stuff. It intrudes into her mind and slithers into her very soul. Now, she drinks and bathes in the corruptive cocktail. Now, that's hot. That's corruption for sure. A woman is going out for a drink and her friend drops a pink pill into her glass when she is not looking. He goes home with a giggling blonde bombshell that will do whatever he tells her to do. Now, that's corruption.

So, myself, while I respect your views, to me, if a person implicates themselves TO become corrupt, then, it's not going to turn a corruption fetishist on (however that character IS probably a corruption fetishist lol) Like Darth Maul or someone that goes off to join the Dark Side by choice, that's not really a turn on as opposed to taking a Jedi and seducing them or coercing them into falling to the darkness.

 

[Lapsa]

I'd consider both corruption yes. There are plenty of scenarios elsewhere in media (anime, movies, games, cartoons, live-action, etc) where a character that seeks power or a 'noble hero' that seeks justice willingly sacrifices some part of their 'fundamental being' in order to attain some strength or other boon needed to surpass some obstacle or attain some goal. For example, a hero willingly choosing to use an object that grants them the powers of a demon that they need to beat some bbeg at the cost of them slowly losing themselves to demonic tendencies would be something I consider corruption.

Though I suppose you could also 'personify' whatever the corrupting force is (in the writing and symbolism, at least) to try to make it more blatant. Mentioning Starwars, I'm pretty sure there have been Jedi that willingly turned to the Dark Side all their own in order to gain power - going from paragons of justice to chaotic evil balls of murder due to the nature of the 'Dark Side' in general (in this sense it would be the 'force' - be it the literal force from SW or just a force in general - 'corrupting' the character after an initial 'seduction' by said force).

Not saying that you should be into it, of course, just saying that myself - and perhaps others - might consider it corruption depending on how its depicted and what else is involved.

 

[woody554]

if there's no coercion or forcing driving the 'sexual liberation', the appropriate category seems to be 'vanilla'. which really is the lack of tag.

also, I don't see how the demon corrupted women differ from your 'sexual liberation' category. after they're turned evil, they still do their evil things because they like it, right? that seems identical to your sexual liberation category.

otoh, if the women stay reluctant to things they're forced to do, they're not even corrupted. right? they only become corrupt after they internalize the previously unfathomable behaviour and begin to repeat it willingly without coercion. which lands them right back into the sexual liberation category.

so it seems there are deep logical problems with the separation between 'real corruption' and 'sexual liberation'. the only divider I can see right now is whether there is a coercive element or not. I don't think I've even seen someone claim corruption without the coercion, but I might of course be wrong.

 

[The Anax]

that they need

If a good person accepts an evil in order to save people- that can be corruption. they NEED that evil cursed item and so they choose to use it and that IS most definitely corruption and it would turn on a corruption fetishist. In fact that has happened in numerous media. But, if a person wants to be evil and goes to get something to become evil, they are already corrupt, so it's just a villain already. Having a villain in a book or whatever is not a turn on for corruption fetishists. There has to have been a corruption of character, a deformation.

If a Jedi turned to the Dark Side on there own, like that, I have never seen one of my fans or myself mention it as a hot turn on scene or anything. Because, if they are power hungry and turning to the dark side for greater power... they were already dark to begin with, you see? So, that does not really turn us corruption folks on at all. However if the Dark Side is seducing them- that is an outside force now. That means they are corrupted by it, and that is hot- that's corruption.

With a decade of making corruption erotica, I definitely know what turns us on and what does not. And, it has to fit certain criteria or it's just not in our fetish.

 

[woody554]

For example, a hero willingly choosing to use an object that grants them the powers of a demon that they need to beat some bbeg at the cost of them slowly losing themselves to demonic tendencies would be something I consider corruption.

that is still coercive though, isn't it? the hero sacrifices himself only because the circumstances force him. he doesn't WANT to accept the burden, but he feels forced to do it.

 

[Lapsa]

I've been making corruption erotica about that long as well, though admittedly I can't think of much that would count as my definition of 'self-corruption' without meeting that 'they need x to do y' caveat. But as I mentioned, the lines do indeed seem to be blurring there a bit and its down to how its written. Though we can both agree at least that there's a distinction between someone finding out that sex good and someone having their soul reshaped like a clay pot - and presumably also that legal corruption probably shouldn't get the tag full-stop.

 

[The Anax]

also, I don't see how the demon corrupted women differ from your 'sexual liberation' category. after they're turned evil, they still do their evil things because they like it, right? that seems identical to your sexual liberation category.

I'll help you out with all this, when I say tautology, it is meant in the logical sense of the term. I am an avid logician! So, I would use this logical litmus test. Sex not needed for a corruption game. A corruption fetishist does not need to see nudity or any adult content at all. We can become turned on by any corruption we see. If Skeletor makes Teela do evil things, we are turned on. If Ultron turns a woman against her friends with mental programming, it's hot. Sex can be a part of it, but it has no matter in regards to corruption fetishism. If you took my Anaxverse games, we can pull all the erotica out of it, and it is still tagged corruption- because it would still elicit a sexual response from corruption fetishists.

However, if the game REQUIRES sex for the corruption, then based on my experience, it is highly improbable that it is corruption fetish. If you can take all the sexual content out of that game would it still entice a corruption fetishist? If the answer is no, it's more likely to be about a woman learning that she enjoys sex (and even then most likely without the tainting influence of an outside evil force) and then has large amounts of it.

 

[The Anax]

that is still coercive though, isn't it? the hero sacrifices himself only because the circumstances force him. he doesn't WANT to accept the burden, but he feels forced to do it.

I have never gotten a "hard on" from a heroine choosing to do a heroic thing. Only from a heroine becoming a villainess. So, I'd say the former is not corruption and the latter definitely is. It's why in Starcraft 2 when Kerrigan re-zergs herself, it's not hot at all. In fact, she's not hot at all in Starcraft 2 (outside her appearances in the Terran missions) because, she's not even corrupt anymore. She willingly did it. However, in Starcraft 1, she was MADE into a zerg. Her thoughts were twisted, she was a slave of the Overmind. That was so freaking haot. I remember back in, I want to say it was 98, I think I was around 20, and I probably masturbated to that thought of her a hundred times that summer.

 

[woody554]

However, if the game REQUIRES sex for the corruption, then based on my experience, it is highly improbable that it is corruption fetish. If you can take all the sexual content out of that game would it still entice a corruption fetishist? If the answer is no, it's more likely to be about a woman learning that she enjoys sex (and even then most likely without the tainting influence of an outside evil force) and then has large amounts of it.

I 100% agree with the litmus test of removing intercourse to find out if a fetish is present.

the other point of it getting you hot I'm not as sure of. I mean in practical sense it of course makes perfect sense and there's no reason to write a version of your kink that doesn't give you thrills. but regarding categorization...

lets say we have a wrongly defined category which covers two separate kinks. now some will get hot for one of them, some the other, and some for both of them. then if you ask them to redefine the category based on whether they got hard or not, you'll get 3 different categorizations. all from 100% honest judgements.

so as crazy as it might seem, we can't draw the lines based on what gets us off and what doesn't. the category must be defined by itself, not by our subjective reaction to it.

 

[BBGunna]

This is an interesting thread because I cam in not really understanding it but some good points have been made for why certain games with the corruption tag don't really fit as least in the way that someone with a specific "corruption fetish" would enjoy. So I'm inclined to agree at least on that front that the corruption tag as is, is likely to wide and all encompassing(as tends to be the problem with alot of tags on any porn site imo ) However something still sits not quite right with me and I have to say I think it's the idea that anything that doesn't fit your criteria for courrption is "female Liberation" this part specifically I have some issue with

However, if we have a game where a woman learns that dopamine being released during sexual intercourse or that physical sensations feel good and she develops a love for sex- that's sexual liberation and should be celebrated as a good thing in the world. If a woman finds that for any reason, she enjoys carnality and grows a sexual appetite- that's not corrupt at all- in fact- it's totally normal female human behavior. "Slut shaming" I think they would call it, for those that would think sexually liberated women are somehow bad or twisted. In fact, people that would call that corrupt, ARE probably corrupted lol Anyway, hopefully this is some food for thought to save me time in the future from having to constantly ask the age-old question:

I don't think that rings true for all games and would probably cause it's own amount of confusion. As someone who is into these kinda games, there's a distinct difference between a game where a woman slowly broadens her sexual horizons and learns she enjoys carnality versus a game where a women is broken down (mentally or physically) to the point where she craves sex like a drug and can't envious life or existence without it. Especially with how many "corruption(as they are tagged now) games of this kind require frequent rape as the catalyst for some events and have the woman lamenting the thing even if she ends up gaining physical pleasure for it. Liberation at least in my mind involves a certain level of freedom, of choice and willing participation.

That deliberate contradiction- the "slut-shaming" as you put it that no doubts has roots in a purtinaical view of sex I think is kinda the point. Seeing a woman who represents the standards of a "pure, innocent, even pious" maiden turned into a sex machine that even the kinkiest of types would keep distance from is the appeal. I don't think that belongs in the same category of games as virgin who just gradually becomes more open to kinkier types of sex as her morals(inhibitions) drop.

Like something like GOOD girl Gone Bad by Eva Kiss I think is a good example of what you're talking about. A game where the female mc, becomes as sexually open as you allow her but is fully based on her own choices(responsible or not), she's not much being corrupted as choosing to live a more hedostic and sexual lifestyle(if that's what the player wants). That's a lot different to any h-game where the fem MC say loses a few fights and by the end of the game can't walk two steps without having an orgasm. In both cases the result is a woman much more open to various extreme sexual interactions but the mechanism and mindsets are very different and I think they invoke different things in a player. All this makes me think we'd probably need a third tag if we split corruption to along sexual Liberation, maybe like "moral degradtion" (I know morality is subjective,). The way you're suggesting would frame any games that doesn't have a direct courrutping influence (like mind control) as female characters gradully becoming more sexually liberated which I don't think is A. Completely accurate B.The intent of the work>

TlDr: Corruption as it is is probably inaccurate but Sexual Liberation would also be inaccurate in many ways.

 

[The Anax]

TlDr: Corruption as it is is probably inaccurate but Sexual Liberation would also be inaccurate in many ways.

I agree with this, I did not mean to imply that it had to be one or the other or mutually exclusive, a third option or more would be great by me. My issue as a corruption fetishist is only that a LOT of what I find marked as corruption, is not actually corruption, but has no where else to tag it. It's a complaint I hear from my fans in Discord often as well, complaining that certain games, which I shall not name, are considered corruption, but do not turn them on (because they are not actual corruption games). So, yeah, anything that would help us get tags more specific would be welcome in my mind.

 

[The Anax]

Also, to add, when I say fetish I do not mean kink either. Myself, for example, cannot be turned on physically at all without corruption. Like, I am totally impotent even with women, unless I am imagining them being corrupted. Without corruption, I have no sexual desire, so that is an inherent part of me which is probably why a lot of this annoys me. If the tag said Gay and there was no gay sex, it'd be annoying if I was gay, if I could only get turned on by male on male sex. In this case, I have to have a woman being corrupted or cannot have any sexual relations whatsoever. Which is why I say I may be a good expert on the subject, even if I am still trying to work through all of these tag ideas to come up with something to help move things out of "corruption" that really are not. I am a corruptionsexual? Who knows?

EDIT:

Like something like GOOD girl Gone Bad by Eva Kiss I think is a good example of what you're talking about.

I meant to also sayin regards to this game, it turns me on- BUT only because I am imagining myself as an outside force corrupting her to do these things- making the choices FOR her. You see? Like A Mother and Wife, it's only hot to me because I am an entity outside the woman MAKING her do what she does like a puppet, corrupting her. Otherwise, these games would not turn me on at all if they were say a movie or something, because the woman is just going about her life and maybe being sexual or naughty, but not really becoming corrupted by an outside force at all.

 

[anne O'nymous]

lets say we have a wrongly defined category which covers two separate kinks. now some will get hot for one of them, some the other, and some for both of them. then if you ask them to redefine the category based on whether they got hard or not, you'll get 3 different categorizations. all from 100% honest judgements.

*cough*trans/futa*cough*

 

[BBGunna]

I agree with this, I did not mean to imply that it had to be one or the other or mutually exclusive, a third option or more would be great by me. My issue as a corruption fetishist is only that a LOT of what I find marked as corruption, is not actually corruption, but has no where else to tag it. It's a complaint I hear from my fans in Discord often as well, complaining that certain games, which I shall not name, are considered corruption, but do not turn them on (because they are not actual corruption games). So, yeah, anything that would help us get tags more specific would be welcome in my mind.

That's fair, honestly this is a problem I find anyone with kinks eventually runs into on porn sites, people tend to lazy and sloppy with tagging and then get their knickers in a bunch if you suggest a little more due dillegence. As someone with a pregnancy kink it's always annoying to find a game that has at best implied pregnancy, and maybe a single frame of a pregnant woman, when what I really want are games like Lisette or haramase Sim. There's even already a tag for those types of game where pregnacy is more about the act of baby making then the actual state "impregnation" but still the tag is misued. Which tells me even if the change egt through people would probably still mess it t up cause, "durr it's technically still courruption" or "It's just easier to tag this way, stop trying to overcomplicate the tag system!" I don't want every post buried behind 50 million tags either but if we want to be accurate I think we can expend a modicum of effort /end rant.

I meant to also sayin regards to this game, it turns me on- BUT only because I am imagining myself as an outside force corrupting her to do these things- making the choices FOR her. You see? Like A Mother and Wife, it's only hot to me because I am an entity outside the woman MAKING her do what she does like a puppet, corrupting her. Otherwise, these games would not turn me on at all if they were say a movie or something, because the woman is just going about her life and maybe being sexual or naughty, but not really becoming corrupted by an outside force at all.

That's fair and I can definitely see it from that angle too, even if it technically isn't the narrative that's neat that you still found a way to make it work for ya.

 

[BBGunna]

*cough*trans/futa*cough*

Probably the perfect example of the point they were tying to make lol

 

[Padre_Bombita]

As a person that first experienced corruption through transformation fetish I asociate it with it the most. So most of the time browsing games with corruption tag here I end up dissapointment, because it is not what I'm looking for, but I understand why it was tagged this way, because of how defined this tag is, which is:

Corruption [Corrupting someone's mind robbing them of their purity/innocence.]

So, untill definition won't be changed for something more fitting, we will be stucked with what we have now.