VN Ren'Py Superhuman [v0.99] [WeirdWorld]

[Simpgor]

Love coomers getting mad that girls have sex with anybody other than them while they fuck everything they can including a character who is canonically neither/either or sex? (demi), a monster (who is called a whore by other monsters), Jared (you messed around with him as Liz early on), and a characters brain

but no her saying she enjoys pleasure it too far!!!!11!!

The update itself was good but this cliffhanger is rougher than we've had in a while

Edit: Ella is clearly a criminal/bad person even if she felt really really bad about killing all the private school kids/was forced to do it to set things in motion (im siding with Ella as soon as the game gives me the damn choice)

 

[rainwake]

Even if you kill Danica, it's possible to get a scene, although it's a dream sequence.

In any case, despite some new content, characters that can die get significantly less content than those who can't. Angelina and Demi had as much content as Liz, Amber and Emily before HERO, and they are superhumans, however their content is minimal compared to the latter 3 after HERO.

Yeah, but you're speculating that she will never have additional scenes that require her to be alive. I literally said: "Historically girls that you could build affection on, will result in scenes". That's been true. Even if there are less scenes, Angelina and Demi still do have scenes and you'd be missing out on them by letting them die.

You're also speculating that keeping them alive will not have any bearing on future outcomes. That is a baseless speculation. Unless you know exactly how the story will go, you're just speculating out of your ass that the "killable" characters will NOT affect future outcomes.

Additionally the Eye forewarns that MC will not attain the heights of power if he doesn't consume. Being powerful & corrupted could be a good end, despite not being "morally good".

I don't know what point trying to make here. If you're trying to say Corruption route can still unlock a good end, then yes I agree. But that's not what we were discussing. The game has made it possible to consume monster parts without gaining corruption as long as we keep wearing the helmet (as seen when Xanthe gave us the monster heart). So it's equally plausible to consume to gain power, without any corruption.

Lastly, it's not really debatable and I don't make a case for letting her die. There are many people in this forum that didn't care about Laurie at all before WW patched the game to allow for the 100 power check. Between Aglaecwif and Laurie, Laurie generally did not measure very well. Lastly, if you don't follow a walkthrough or haven't played the game multiple times, good luck saving Laurie. It's unlikely to happen.

The 100 Power check is related to the Deryl fight. The 28 Skill check is related to Laurie. These are separate checks. The fact that you don't know that, tells me that you didn't meet the stat requirements. Is it so hard to admit that you might have missed some stat points on your playthrough? Either way, you don't have a leg to stand on here, because you're arguing with someone who has literally done it on both routes.
Of course it's not likely the average player will get the optimal fight for Monster Deryl, save Laurie, or even beat Valravn without Brianna help, but that doesn't mean that achieving better outcomes and rewards won't make a difference. The snowball effect I was referring to applies to small decisions like the Michael fight where misallocating even 1 point seems to make all the difference when it comes to major fight outcomes. Like when we were calculating Skill requirement for Valravn in the Corruption, assuming you picked Eye. You'd be 1 Skill short of 19 if you chose Strength approach to the Michael fight. I thought that was pretty obvious

This premise is very biased. You claim that the good effects snowball but this never happens in the game.
1) Why would you even categorize the Michael fight as good or bad choice? Power vs Skill is not an ethical dilemma in any shape or form.
2) You lose many opportunities for power if you don't make criminal decisions. A perfectly ethical MC will end up having notably less power than a criminal one.
3) The only stat that snowballs is corruption, because it's possible to get locked out of corruption if you don't have enough of it, and corruption gates by far the most content and has the most conditional checks.

You're saying that only corruption snowballs. Alright, then what about all these non-corruption examples:
- Training: Minyak fight. Choosing the correct options give (+2 power, +2 skill), other wise it's (+1 power, +1 skill). Missing out on those stats will make a difference for the Valravn fight, the Monster Deryl fight, saving Laurie and future stat checks. Don't get me wrong, you can still complete the fights, but you will miss out on (Valravn extra lore, +3 Deryl affection, and saving Laurie)
- Not picking Horn from the shopkeeper (+10 power) makes it impossible to reach 100 Power for Purity path in time for Monster Deryl fight
- Not picking "Right" to the fight Red light monster and not picking "Try to overcome it's power" means you miss out on (+5 Power +3 Skill). This and the Horn makes all the difference in the world for Purity path in the Monster Deryl fight and saving Laurie. It also affects the Corruption path because taking this path gives you the same amount of skill, but also +5 power.
- Not taking the Tiffany Money reward means you miss out on Emily and potentially Amber affection. It also makes it not possible to Buy Monster Pincer $10,000 (+10 Power) AND Monster Spine $12,000 (+3 Skill) before infiltrating the SIN recruitment ceremony. Don't know if those stats will change outcomes in the final version of that tournament
- Nyx Heist mission where we sneakily broke into SIN disguised as a woman. Failing to be sneaky results in missing out on +10 Power
- A rank mission w/ Nico: if you had less than 28 Skill, you miss out on (+1 Skill, +4 Nico, +$2000, +10 Power)

Am I getting my point across yet? Choices matter AND the advantages you get snowball. There is such a thing as a better and worse choice. And those choices DO snowball into stats and those stats matter because the game introduces stat checks. Failing to meet stat checks results in missing out on more rewards (potentially stat rewards, H-scenes, and possibly the True Ending).
So far, there has not been any concrete evidence to support the idea that prioritizing lore will yield a meaningful reward. I provided 2 examples where prioritizing lore resulted with a Dead End. So speculating that the Aglaecwif lore is more important than an optimal Monster Deryl fight, and saving Laurie is just baseless speculation. Especially since, it's the easier route.

 

[Gtdead]

Yeah, but you're speculating that she will never have additional scenes that require her to be alive. I literally said: "Historically girls that you could build affection on, will result in scenes". That's been true. Even if there are less scenes, Angelina and Demi still do have scenes and you'd be missing out on them by letting them die.

I didn't speculate anything. I said exactly what I said. That characterd who can die get diminished content. This is more obvious than the sun, not a speculation. It can be counted. It may change in the future, but considering the development cost for branches like that, I doubt it. I'm not speculating, I'm stating facts about the current state of the game, that are prominent enough to be taken into account.

You're also speculating that keeping them alive will not have any bearing on future outcomes. That is a baseless speculation. Unless you know exactly how the story will go, you're just speculating out of your ass that the "killable" characters will NOT affect future outcomes.

Again I didn't speculate anything of the sort. You are not answering to something that I said. I never told anyone how to play the game or how dead or alive characters will affect it, The only recommendation I gave was that the eye isn't the optimal choice as of current update.

Perhaps you are confused and answering to someone else.

The 100 Power check is related to the Deryl fight. The 28 Skill check is related to Laurie. These are separate checks. The fact that you don't know that, tells me that you didn't meet the stat requirements. Is it so hard to admit that you might have missed some stat points?

Look, at this point it's obvious you are missing a lot of episodes. I have some power point guides around here and various reports on optimal paths and max possible stats. I know everything related to checks and variables and that's not a flex.

The 100 power check, known as "Hesitate", was a hotfix after backlash that people couldn't both fuck Aglaecwif and save Laurie. By choosing "Hesitate" you turn on a flag that allows you to reach 3 derylwin points after evolving (evolution resets your derylwin points) which is the threshold for saving Laurie.

You're saying that only corruption snowballs. Alright, then what about these examples:
- Training: Minyak fight. Choosing the correct options give (+2 power, +2 skill), other wise it's (+1 power, +1 skill). Missing out on those stats will make a difference for the Valravn fight, the Monster Deryl fight, and saving Laurie. Don't get me wrong, you can still complete the fights, but you will miss out on Valravn extra lore, +3 Deryl affection, and saving Laurie
- Not picking Horn from the shopkeeper (+10 power) makes it impossible to reach 100 Power for Purity path in time for Monster Deryl fight
- Not picking Right to fight Red light monster means you miss out on (+5 Power +3 Skill). This and the Horn makes all the difference in the world for Purity path in the Monster Deryl fight and saving Laurie. It also affects the Corruption path because taking this path gives you the same amount of skill, but also +5 power.
- Not taking the Tiffany Money reward means you miss out on Emily and potentially Amber affection. It also makes it not possible to Buy Monster Pincer $10,000 (+10 Power) AND Monster Spine $12,000 (+3 Skill) before infiltrating the SIN recruitment ceremony. Don't know if those stats will change outcomes in the final version of that tournament
- Nyx Heist mission where we sneakily broke into SIN disguised as a woman. Failing to be sneaky results in missing out on +10 Power
- A rank mission w/ Nico: if you had less than 28 Skill, you miss out on (+1 Skill, +4 Nico, +$2000, +10 Power)

Am I getting my point across yet? Choices matter AND the advantages you get snowball. There is such a thing as a better and worse choice. And those choices DO snowball into stats and those stats matter because the game introduces stat thresholds. Of course, that means the walkthrough is important, because the game doesn't do a very good job to displaying everything that you're getting or missing out on.

Snowballing means that something becomes exponentially stronger the more you have of it.
Your only legit example is the skill check against the Asura, which requires skill and gives you skill.
There is another, power related, in the early game, where if you reach Ella's appartment with 7 power, you gain +2 power.

Corruption has more than one checks. You need to eat the thug in the dinner in order to purge Kenny. You need to eat Danica or Bailey early on and kill the idiots before Danica fight to make Minyak submit. You need high corruption in order to eat Angelina's monster. So you need corruption to gain corruption.

What you describe is how to reach your perfect playthrough. Stat checks do not lead to gameovers anymore, last time they did was during the Klaus arc.

 

[Simpgor]

Isn't there some way to lower corruption or atleast some point where it was lowered? Has there been any situation where its best or advantageous to have specifically 0 corruption beyond just going for a pure boi play though?

 

[Gtdead]

Isn't there some way to lower corruption or atleast some point where it was lowered? Has there been any situation where its best or advantageous to have specifically 0 corruption beyond just going for a pure boi play though?

There is no way to purify corruption. You can only avoid picking the choices that give you corruption and wear the helmet, which protects you from some passive corruption gain the 5 days after the third evolution, a training event and some murderous choices that would give you corruption otherwise.

Having high corruption does not force you in any different outcome. It changes a bit of dialogue here and there, where MC thinks murdery thoughts, but he reigns himself and the scene plays as it would on low corruption. As of the latest update, corruption only gives additional content. It doesn't take away anything or change any outcome.

 

[Simpgor]

There is no way to purify corruption. You can only avoid picking the choices that give you corruption and wear the helmet, which protects you from some passive corruption gain the 5 days after the third evolution, a training event and some murderous choices that would give you corruption otherwise.

Having high corruption does not force you in any different outcome. It changes a bit of dialogue here and there, where MC thinks murdery thoughts, but he reigns himself and the scene plays as it would on low corruption. As of the latest update, corruption only gives additional content. It doesn't take away anything or change any outcome.

Ah the helmet preventing corruption gain is what I was thinking of. I knew that you got a bit more with corruption. I knew there was a bit more dialog with corruption but wasn't sure about without thanks for the answers.

 

[rainwake]

You're debating with the master of checks and script surfing.

You'll need this when the debate is over.
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Yeah no kidding, when the best counter argument you have is a meme, there is no debate. Everything I've said is factual, even if you don't like it, it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. If he was the master of checks and scripts, then he'd know that everything I said was correct. He's main point that "lore is more important than than saving a character" is supported only by speculation. There were many instances where he's trying to spin the argument in his favor by changing the topic.

If you're so confident I'm wrong, then tell me what's wrong with what I've said, and state your evidence

 

[ItzSyther]

Yeah no kidding, when the best counter argument you have is a meme, there is no debate. Everything I've said is factual, it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. If he was the master of checks and scripts, then he'd know that everything I said was correct. He's main point that "lore is more important than than saving a character" is supported only by speculation. There were many instances where he's trying to spin the argument in his favor by changing the topic.

If you're so confident I'm wrong, then tell me what's wrong with what I've said, and state your evidence

 

[weezal]

I don’t even get what this disagreement is about

nobody knows what’s gonna happen so let’s just wait and see.
Saving Laurie might be important or it might not. We’ll see

 

[KKStrider]

Yeah no kidding, when the best counter argument you have is a meme, there is no debate. Everything I've said is factual, it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. If he was the master of checks and scripts, then he'd know that everything I said was correct. He's main point that "lore is more important than than saving a character" is supported only by speculation. There were many instances where he's trying to spin the argument in his favor by changing the topic.

If you're so confident I'm wrong, then tell me what's wrong with what I've said, and state your evidence

Man, it's been like 15 hours. Fifteen. Let it go, all he said was that characters that are killable tend to get the amount of content they receive significantly reduced, which is objectively undeniably true as no developer wants to waste hours on end for something most players might never see. He never said NO content, he said LESS.

At no point did he state that lore was more important than saving a character, which would be a stupid thing to say when the game is a damn visual novel that encourages multiple playthroughs. Nor did he say that there 100% wouldn't be any payoff to saving a character, as he literally just mentioned several instances where the developer either changed something (the 100 power check) or had something pay off way, way later (Tiffany finally giving you your power after so much time waiting). He knows the future of development and story is unpredictable just as much as you do.

You're fighting demons of your own conjuring, jumping at shadows and strawmen of your own imagining based on an accidental misreading and plain ignorance. Let it go. Or at least try and fight in the off-topic before a mod comes and straight up fucks all of us, nukes most of the fucking page and drops the threat of a thread ban. They can and will do that if the wrong one comes along. Again. Seriously.

 

[lorkdubo]

That's debatable. There's actually quite a few characters you can kill off in the Corruption path, just to gain more corruption. So far, choosing not to kill some of the characters seem to make a difference. Sparing Danica makes it possible to succeed in the B rank Hunt, and earns you Danica affection. Historically if you can build Affection on a girl, then there will eventually be H-scenes with her. Sparing Jake seems to make it possible for Mia to fully regain her memories at the Bonfire event. Not killing Christie is mandatory to avoid a Dead End. Not killing Demi keeps her path open & is required for the Clover Demi H-scene, Sparing Clover (from Death or jail) grants +2 Demi affection & is required for the Clover Demi H-scene. Not killing cops during the Mall event is required to unlock a later Brianna sex scene It's speculative, but I would not be surprised if saving Laurie, a superhuman with CC abilities, and special requirements to save, winds up paying dividends in the long run. Not unlike beating Valravn without Brianna's help.


What you're saying is purely speculation. There are other points in the game, particularly on Corruption path, where you get a Dead End, but also a lot of interesting lore. I'm referring to the early Ella fight where you actually beat her and you encounter the monster that turned you into a Superhuman, and then an Unknown entity kills it, surprising even Ella. The other case is the Lvl 3 evolution, where it's possible to ask the Eye entity a question, get denied, then say Yes, then die and come back for a lot of interesting lore. In both cases, there's no payoff to unlocking it (aside from the exclusive Ella sex scene), because you obviously die shortly after, but it's the only way to get that lore.

Overall, I think the rewards for keeping certain characters alive and getting the best ending from fights has a bigger payoff than collecting lore. And it will probably continue to have a greater payoff moving forward. So far, the game has snowballed the effects of good choices even from early game (like the 1st Michael fight). Those small advantages and choices wind up making a big difference in major fight outcomes. I would not be surprised if the story's true ending, depends on getting ideal outcomes and meeting very demanding stat cutoffs.

That +1 skill is such a bullshit decision to be honest. It really is a Big BIG decision.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

I don’t even get what this disagreement is about

nobody knows what’s gonna happen so let’s just wait and see.
Saving Laurie might be important or it might not. We’ll see

Well, when you really put out what Laurie has and how important she could be to the plot, it amounts to miniscule gain.

- Laurie has a crystal infection power, which isn't really all that important after the Battle of Diamonds. Especially when we're starting to fight Level 3/Class B stuff.

- She's Level 2, which also means she's not all that important in HERO.

- Outside of low level monsters, she's pretty useless.

- Her monster parent likely is some random B Class or lower monster so it likely plays no part in the later game.

- She isn't exactly strong while also being mentally weak. Sure, her infection will handle most things near her Level, but her progression is slow and she's not all that reliable if it fails to work. As seen when she fought Deryl's Chimera.

- We already had sex with her once so there's no sex scene obligation needed for her.

When you really look at her kit and her position in HERO, it's absolutely safe to say she'll be irrelevant going forward. She's not like Alice, Michael, Deryl and MC. They all have unique things that uplifts them. If Laurie was a much better fighter or had something that heavily tied into the plot, then maybe I could see her being important in the future. She, unfortunately, doesn't have anything which is why she was killed off by Jared.

 

[Gtdead]

Yeah no kidding, when the best counter argument you have is a meme, there is no debate. Everything I've said is factual, it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. If he was the master of checks and scripts, then he'd know that everything I said was correct. He's main point that "lore is more important than than saving a character" is supported only by speculation. There were many instances where he's trying to spin the argument in his favor by changing the topic.

If you're so confident I'm wrong, then tell me what's wrong with what I've said, and state your evidence

No, you made many errors. I really didn't want to deconstruct everything but I hope these examples will suffice.

1) The Deryl 100 power check is for Laurie, if you don't Hesitate you automatically win the fight without checks. Against Rebis Deryl you only need 1 derylwin point that you can get by destroying the sword.
2) You don't need Tiffany's money because you gain enough to buy anything important as of the latest update, from perfect relationship score with Amber/Emily to all the new items from Shopkeep, as long as you give a detailed description of the ceremony infiltration. I explained this on a post a few pages back. You probably have enough money to buy a dildo too although I don't bother with that content.
3) If you have less than 28 skill agaisnt the Asura you just miss 1 skill point and 1 relationship point, you gain the +10 power and money no matter what as long as you agree to fight it.
4) You can reach 100 power without the horn. Max power attainable before evolution is 115. The horn accounts for 10 of it.
5) There are only 2 relationship checks in the game. Jake which determines if he will force you to shoot yourself during prison, and Nico for the sex scene. Every other interaction is based on boolean variables. WW himself has said in the past that relationship points are not very important and you can successfully complete all college romances by being a complete asshole to them if you know what you are doing.

Aside from that, you are debating with a strawman, saying that I'm speculating when I state facts or arguing that I support killing the cast, while completely disregarding the only actual point I've tried to make, which is speculation about the eye based on an educated guess after taking a look at the script.

Just drop it.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Well, when you really put out what Laurie has and how important she could be to the plot, it amounts to miniscule gain.

- Laurie has a crystal infection power, which isn't really all that important after the Battle of Diamonds. Especially when we're starting to fight Level 3/Class B stuff.

- She's Level 2, which also means she's not all that important in HERO.

- Outside of low level monsters, she's pretty useless.

- Her monster parent likely is some random B Class or lower monster so it likely plays no part in the later game.

- She isn't exactly strong while also being mentally weak. Sure, her infection will handle most things near her Level, but her progression is slow and she's not all that reliable if it fails to work. As seen when she fought Deryl's Chimera.

- We already had sex with her once so there's no sex scene obligation needed for her.

When you really look at her kit and her position in HERO, it's absolutely safe to say she'll be irrelevant going forward. She's not like Alice, Michael, Deryl and MC. They all have unique things that uplifts them. If Laurie was a much better fighter or had something that heavily tied into the plot, then maybe I could see her being important in the future. She, unfortunately, doesn't have anything which is why she was killed off by Jared.

I mean, isn't the fact that the MC effectively learned a new skill through her important? Perhaps if we didn't save Laurie, we would never have been able to learn this "freeze" skill, which itself might have implications in the future.

 

[ItzSyther]

I mean, isn't the fact that the MC effectively learned a new skill through her important? Perhaps if we didn't save Laurie, we would never have been able to learn this "freeze" skill, which itself might have implications in the future.

Not really.

A move MC learns no matter what is his bone spike tails (forgettin actual name) but they played an important role in MC's early training and potential fight against Ella.

If the MC fights Ella he uses them but if he decides not to he still learns to use em (if I remember right).

So the MC is bound to learn things if they are important enough with or without the person or event causing it to appear to begin with (cause he'll come up with it on his own).

 

[DrakoGhoul]

I mean, isn't the fact that the MC effectively learned a new skill through her unimportant? Perhaps if we didn't save Laurie, we would never have been able to learn this "freeze" skill, which itself might have implications in the future.

Not really. Even with her dead, he likely would've learned it at a later date, if the situation arose for it. That's also not the level of importance I'm referring to. Relegating her to a skill teacher would still lead her to the same level of importance or lack there of. Once the MC learned it, her use is gone yet again.

 

[Gtdead]

I mean, isn't the fact that the MC effectively learned a new skill through her important? Perhaps if we didn't save Laurie, we would never have been able to learn this "freeze" skill, which itself might have implications in the future.

Narratively it may be somewhat important, but practically this game does not have such RPG elements. There hasn't been a single instance where MC learned a new ability from gated content, statwise or choicewise. MC's progression is pretty much on rails.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

Not really.

A move MC learns no matter what is his bone spike tails (forgettin actual name) but they played an important role in MC's early training and potential fight against Ella.

If the MC fights Ella he uses them but if he decides not to he still learns to use em (if I remember right).

So the MC is bound to learn things if they are important enough with or without the person or event causing it to appear to begin with (cause he'll come up with it on his own).

Not really. Even with her dead, he likely would've learned it at a later date, if the situation arose for it. That's also not the level of importance I'm referring to. Relegating her to a skill teacher would still lead her to the same level of importance or lack there of. Once the MC learned it, her use is gone yet again.

Narratively it may be somewhat important, but practically this game does not have such RPG elements. There hasn't been a single instance where MC learned a new ability from gated content, statwise or choicewise. MC's progression is pretty much on rails.

I mean, I personally think the fact that it was a move that the MC had to use on someone else is something they wouldn't come across for a long while, and we were still in the middle of the evolution trance, so this would be something we wouldn't even think about being able to do for a while. Since Ella makes a point when talking to Jake that being conscious and aware during your evolution teaches you things that you otherwise wouldn't be able to learn.

Granted, whether Laurie is important to the story or not isn't super important to me, considering I'm just trying to acquire all of the females, but this freeze ability seems pretty different, both in circumstances of learning it and its use cases that simply learning it later doesn't sound right, unless there is another convenient "oh, we need to freeze this guy" moment later on, which imo is kind of a cop out.

 

[KingAgamemnon]

I mean, I personally think the fact that it was a move that the MC had to use on someone else is something they wouldn't come across for a long while, and we were still in the middle of the evolution trance, so this would be something we wouldn't even think about being able to do for a while. Since Ella makes a point when talking to Jake that being conscious and aware during your evolution teaches you things that you otherwise wouldn't be able to learn.

Granted, whether Laurie is important to the story or not isn't super important to me, considering I'm just trying to acquire all of the females, but this freeze ability seems pretty different, both in circumstances of learning it and its use cases that simply learning it later doesn't sound right, unless there is another convenient "oh, we need to freeze this guy" moment later on, which imo is kind of a cop out.

Mmm, I'm not sure I explained myself well here. Let me put it a different way. Before, with the bone tail and the poison tentacles, it wasn't a whole new power, it was putting pieces together of powers he already had and was aware of. With this, he 1) Never saw Ella use the whole "immunity through freezing the transformation" ability, so he would need to learn it through either Nyx or the teleport lady (forgot her name), 2) Would somehow need to make the jump to realize that he can use it on people other than himself, and 3) Would be in a situation where he values learning a whole brand new skill, which he would have no idea as to whether or not it is even possible for him to do, as opposed to reinforcing the abilities he currently possesses, something he has stated is his goal as learning a bunch of weaker techniques isn't as important to him as mastering the few techniques he does know. All put together, I think it would be really really out of place for him to suddenly figure this out on his own.

 

[Dipasimaan]

Man, it's been like 15 hours. Fifteen. Let it go, all he said was that characters that are killable tend to get the amount of content they receive significantly reduced, which is objectively undeniably true as no developer wants to waste hours on end for something most players might never see. He never said NO content, he said LESS.

At no point did he state that lore was more important than saving a character, which would be a stupid thing to say when the game is a damn visual novel that encourages multiple playthroughs. Nor did he say that there 100% wouldn't be any payoff to saving a character, as he literally just mentioned several instances where the developer either changed something (the 100 power check) or had something pay off way, way later (Tiffany finally giving you your power after so much time waiting). He knows the future of development and story is unpredictable just as much as you do.

You're fighting demons of your own conjuring, jumping at shadows and strawmen of your own imagining based on an accidental misreading and plain ignorance. Let it go. Or at least try and fight in the off-topic before a mod comes and straight up fucks all of us, nukes most of the fucking page and drops the threat of a thread ban. They can and will do that if the wrong one comes along. Again. Seriously.