You are a true hero.
Meanwhile me: I'll sacrifice every faceless character to give any named character +1 power
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Meanwhile me: I'll sacrifice every faceless character to give any named character +1 power
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My corruption route has some kills but only the justified ones lol but I haven't done one full zero corruption route I always end up killing the guy who had kidnapped Liz so it gives me one corruption and also saving Bailey. So yeah I get 2 corruption in my main playthrough.You are a true hero.
Meanwhile me: I'll sacrifice every faceless character to give any named character +1 power
- Feb 22, 2019
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Honestly, it seems like what I said without too much weight really got extrapulated and used to simply fuel a stupid argument. Mind you that I call it stupid just because it's extremely subjective and it doesn't even have a "correct" answer so it shouldn't even be an argument.
Btw I don't want to quote every post or guy that participated in this discussion so I'll just say what I simply meant:
Suicide Wang deserves death more than Valravn do (imo of course), considering the fact that he just wants to chill with his progenitor and he gotta eat hearts otherwise he dies. The whole point of "oh no, this motherfucking maneater monster eats man, he must be really bad and naughty, he shall die!" is really fucking stupid because he gotta eat and that is his diet, like most of the monsters'. It's like us humans having to eat meat from other "inferior" beings to survive.
Suicide Wang instead killed several people (don't remember how many) just because, I get that he may be depressed and mad that his wife or girlfriend or whtever died but that's not really a reason to "suicide" people and btw he too targets young people too, like that college gal.
I have to say that I still would kill Valvran, not because he's a "bad guy" but because if he dies it's because he got into a fight and he lost and that is one of the many reasons for why he's really respected among the community, the honour.
Claire too, she's just a monster at that point so she should die so others humans don't die no?
Wrong argument for the same reasons as Valvran's.
If some monster tries to kill you, even if former human, you gotta kill it in self-defense no? Of course you have to, otherwise you die, but if you have the possibility of restoring her sanity so she doesn't have to do instinctive things then why shouldn't you? Obv if you find out that she kills again for the sake of it you gotta kill her if she's a danger to you or your closest one
Sorry for the wall of text
Btw I don't want to quote every post or guy that participated in this discussion so I'll just say what I simply meant:
Suicide Wang deserves death more than Valravn do (imo of course), considering the fact that he just wants to chill with his progenitor and he gotta eat hearts otherwise he dies. The whole point of "oh no, this motherfucking maneater monster eats man, he must be really bad and naughty, he shall die!" is really fucking stupid because he gotta eat and that is his diet, like most of the monsters'. It's like us humans having to eat meat from other "inferior" beings to survive.
Suicide Wang instead killed several people (don't remember how many) just because, I get that he may be depressed and mad that his wife or girlfriend or whtever died but that's not really a reason to "suicide" people and btw he too targets young people too, like that college gal.
I have to say that I still would kill Valvran, not because he's a "bad guy" but because if he dies it's because he got into a fight and he lost and that is one of the many reasons for why he's really respected among the community, the honour.
Claire too, she's just a monster at that point so she should die so others humans don't die no?
Wrong argument for the same reasons as Valvran's.
If some monster tries to kill you, even if former human, you gotta kill it in self-defense no? Of course you have to, otherwise you die, but if you have the possibility of restoring her sanity so she doesn't have to do instinctive things then why shouldn't you? Obv if you find out that she kills again for the sake of it you gotta kill her if she's a danger to you or your closest one
Sorry for the wall of text
My only real playthrough is at 7?
1 for the thugs I think (needed to get to 100 power for deryl)
1 for eating bailey
5 for eating dream monsters with Micheal because homies over purity
Realistically as of now I've never triggered a high corruption scene and the checks are up in the 20s now so unless there is a check for a 0 specifically I'm still on the "pure/skill path" technically
Big agree on the Valravn points humans eat beef (including hearts) and even veal (young cows). They can feel pain and fear just like humans but that sure as shit doesn't stop us nor should it stop Valravn. But since MC fought him while heavily crippled I can't really say I agree with the "death due to honour", and technically the MC doesn't canonically beat him honorably since it's variable based.
I was more poking fun at sayajin for forgiving "coz tiddies"
because I think by "hero/self preservation/good of humans" logic you should let bailey be called away and kill Claire. You don't "need" to go after someone who tries to kill you (deryl) and Wangs ONLY weapon are random shanks he can find....dude is still in his fucking BRIGHT jumpsuit
can't even go into the store and steal a knife because clearly he's an escaped convictBegrudging people for killing Wang is a meme but one that illicts a decent response it seems
- Feb 22, 2019
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Ok fine, sorry if I misunderstood you, I was firstly just showstruck at how a discussion over that wimp of Wang was going on for over 2 days.My only real playthrough is at 7?
1 for the thugs I think (needed to get to 100 power for deryl)
1 for eating bailey
5 for eating dream monsters with Micheal because homies over purity
Realistically as of now I've never triggered a high corruption scene and the checks are up in the 20s now so unless there is a check for a 0 specifically I'm still on the "pure/skill path" technically
Big agree on the Valravn points humans eat beef (including hearts) and even veal (young cows). They can feel pain and fear just like humans but that sure as shit doesn't stop us nor should it stop Valravn. But since MC fought him while heavily crippled I can't really say I agree with the "death due to honour", and technically the MC doesn't canonically beat him honorably since it's variable based.
I was more poking fun at sayajin for forgiving "coz tiddies"
You don't "need" to go after someone who tries to kill you (deryl) and Wangs ONLY weapon are random shanks he can find....dude is still in his fucking BRIGHT jumpsuit
Begrudging people for killing Wang is a meme but one that illicts a decent response it seems
Btw for Valvran I was talking about a possible future rematch with maybe a full-power Val.
Obviously the first encounter doesn't really count apart from Val's mentality as he still gave his all in that form even if he was clearly weakened.
I mean, he sure isn't a sore loser, how can you not respect it?
- Apr 21, 2022
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Agree with everything by that Valravn one because human eats beef sure I agree but the mcand me are human/superhuman so yeah him killing my kin will get his ass killed especially as he eats children other than that tho I agree because Claire simply like other monster is feral so if we can help her by doing the memory echo why not give her chance but Valravn as stated is atleast has human level intelligence so I am stomping him when I get the chance and like you said it's subjective.Justblike Valravn doesn't give a fuck about killing the humans I wouldn't give a fuck about killing him as he is the one of the few from monster with intelligence other monsters still get leeway as they are feral.
- Feb 22, 2019
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By that logic Daryll should not be alive in your run.
Surely 2/3rds of deryl shouldn't be as Del and the clone (as human and monster) 100% tried to kill MC, and Del was thinking "clearly" the whole time and monster deryl was thinking clearly at the end but kept fighting
While I don't really like Suicide Bro, I'll have to be honest and say that it doesn't seem like he's really trying to kill the MC. Maybe the first time yeah but he clearly sees the MC shrugging of the stabs, instantly healing, backhanding him across the cell and he still tried it until he got out of shivs. Dude is just genuinely fucked in the head, but it doesn't seem like attempted murder at that point.
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Can't MC just make a heart (or take his out, since it'll grow back again), infuse it with a LOT of power (so it doesn't melt right away) and give it to Ravenboy to eat and recover? That way, he doesn't need to feed on kids and we can work together without much fuss about it, since he seemed keen on us joining him during the dream.
Hell, MC can even turn into a child before giving his heart so it tastes better.
That way, he doesn't need to feed on kids and we can work together without much fuss about it, since he seemed keen on us joining him during the dream.Hell, MC can even turn into a child before giving his heart so it tastes better.
What about the fight with Jake, when we just found out that he was brainwashed.Surely 2/3rds of deryl shouldn't be as Del and the clone (as human and monster) 100% tried to kill MC, and Del was thinking "clearly" the whole time and monster deryl was thinking clearly at the end but kept fighting
He's not gonna fuck you dudeCan't MC just make a heart (or take his out, since it'll grow back again), infuse it with a LOT of power (so it doesn't melt right away) and give it to Ravenboy to eat and recover?
Hell, MC can even turn into a child before giving his heart so it tastes better.
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MC still had a life prior to the game and he consider Derly a friend even after all that. That's why we never had a option to kill him.
Jake was just a new guy we met, so MC could say "fuck it it's meal time"
Jake was just a new guy we met, so MC could say "fuck it it's meal time"
If I had the option to kill off that pathetic wasted character, I would have.
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Can't MC just make a heart (or take his out, since it'll grow back again), infuse it with a LOT of power (so it doesn't melt right away) and give it to Ravenboy to eat and recover?
Hell, MC can even turn into a child before giving his heart so it tastes better.
Honestly one of the main reasons monsters are in conflict with humanity (at least the low ranks) is because they eat people, then we have Mc who can solve solve global monster hunger by giving them a lot of flesh to eat, and he is not even the best at that, Deryl and Devana can literaly make stuff out of thin air, a human heart is probably not the most difficult thing for then.
I can see Mc keeping Bailey in check just by giving her body parts to eat, also i think it was Cole who said Mc would become a heart dispenser to Val if Ella and her kids didn't beat him before.
- Feb 22, 2019
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It could be like this but in theory if MC creates something and that something leaves his body it should evaporate but if he infuses with energy it could theoretically work but that's the only way as if he rips out his own heart then when he regenerates it the ripped out heart should evaporate even if someone ate it, unless it got digested in that little time.
Also people like Devana and Deryl seem to be able to create "organic" material but only if it's not a living being or in the case of only Devana if it's just a mindless monster that function on "monster energy" so I don't think they're really nutricious
I mean if anything Jake got off easy considering that with the MC's skillset, he could have took his sweet time before death came along.
Just off the top of my head? He could have quite easily begun the process of flaying him(Even reconstitute Jake's flesh as he ripped it to have it take longer and prevent him from dying too easily), or subject him to a battery of lovely poisons(Imagine a rattlesnake venom cocktail, or he could break out the jellyfish venom once again) he can generate from his own flesh quite readily. Ultimately though Jake was really lucky in his manner of death being as rapid as it was and the MC not particularly being sadistic.
- Feb 22, 2019
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No please no more
Stop pulling this argument out again
Btw Deryl shouldn't be so ostracized
Basically my thoughts as well, there is no easy or perfect solution to the issue of coexistence and sharing space.
Nor should there be really, its a complicated topic with a fair amount of nuance, should people actually care about the vast majority of monstrosities when they are essentially unintelligent? Should they be treated as equal to human life when they are infinitely lesser then it until they achieve sufficient degree of will and power?
That is just one angle to consider, monsters sure slaughter a fair amount of humans for one reason or another and is that meant to be forgiven and forgotten in the pursuit of some ideal conjoined world? Likewise I would imagine the monsters bear a fair few grudges themselves by this point in the game, surely one smurt boi has lost someone they cared about to superhumans, is their vendetta equally valid?
Lotta questions, not so many answers but the one thing I can affirm is that there is unlikely to be a perfect solution to either end of the equation.(Besides of course the world gov ceasing to exist obviously if we are talking ideals)