I meant and said LITTLE ELLA could not stop MC....
No duh a level 5 that fought nico, 2 other people, and only lost to a "cheat power" like Nyx could beat level 3 MC
Unless you think Ella's dead body about to wake up and just walk to hex dimension
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No duh a level 5 that fought nico, 2 other people, and only lost to a "cheat power" like Nyx could beat level 3 MC
Unless you think Ella's dead body about to wake up and just walk to hex dimension
IIRC WeirdWorld said in one of his streams (the character tier list one I think) that B is not gonna happen.
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Considering how fast she disappears on you if you snitch on her to h.e.r.o, mini-Ella seems to be based on her level 4 version that's still stronger and better at Body than the mc currently.I meant and said LITTLE ELLA could not stop MC....
No duh a level 5 that fought nico, 2 other people, and only lost to a "cheat power" like Nyx could beat level 3 MC
Unless you think Ella's dead body about to wake up and just walk to hex dimension
If mini Ella protects cole, can stop BOTH MC AND COLE FROM TRYING TO FIGHT, can run away (without knowing the layout/without hex help (if hex knew doll ella was there wouldn't he be like oh shit it's Ella I better do literally anything about that?), gets past deryl, AND INGORES THE WHOLE "KEEP DOLL/GOOD REALATIONSHIP" choices....I will drop superhuman lmao
If doll ella is so sneaky and "based on her level 4" (when she created the doll) why tf the doll didn't sneak to Ella's body at any point during HERO and did the opposite? Putting the small amount of ella from the doll into the body? I mean she's able to sneak out of hero right?
And from a narrative sense: a crippled weak as hell perma level 4 Ella, and a broken SIN that can no longer rely in it's main recruitment method (charlie betrayed them) is a fucking meme threat that's somehow even more utterly carried by their teleporter, seriously hero can function just more slowly without nico.
If you take Ella, Charlie, Cole, and Hex from SIN they've lost transport/safe housing, recruitment, their "first face" and a notable high ranking fighter, and the only real thing that allowed them to even be in the same ring as hero (ella)
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I ain't saying it can stop the entire fight but she can cuck us of the Cole kill by redirecting the killing blow which should make Coe start rethinking his life choices and dip. (If he stays after getting his ass whooped, he's a dumbass)
Because she can't, she's not all-powerful, not even near the captains' level. That's why she escapes when you rat on her to Malik.If doll ella is so sneaky and "based on her level 4" (when she created the doll) why tf the doll didn't sneak to Ella's body at any point during HERO and did the opposite? Putting the small amount of ella from the doll into the body? I mean she's able to sneak out of hero right?
Edit: Damn, you edited way faster than my reply.
Concerning S.I.N, yeah they're fucked after this update. Ella, their spiritual leader, is dead. Charlie, their "binding vow" expert, betrayed them. Hex is pretty much dead. Briar doesn't even want to be there. Jared's dad is doing fuck-all. Xanthe is leaving since he's got what he wanted from them(Twins research). Eisheth's captured. Aglaecwif is also planning to leave. If Cole evolves mid-fight, then S.I.N's 'leadership' will be up to him and Shen and they hate each other.
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can't wait for MC to bitch slap Cole to an early grave
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SIN has allegiance with all the monsters in Hex's dimension. They have the ability to release uncontrolled chaos unto the world. I feel that the Captains can deal with the threat, but there would be huge collateral damage and a lot of dead members for HERO.
We could debate the story probability of this happening but I'll just cut the chase.
Doll ella will 100% not be the sole (or main cause) of Cole living. I'm not even going to debate the narrative satisfaction of that happening in the main fight of the update I'm only to going to use WW writing style/level of effort preferences.
That would create 4 scenarios for doll ella: she left MC cuz he's a Lil bitch ass snitch and still somehow ends up right at the cole fight at the right time (gets into problems stopping two people who very much want to kill each other), or MC is a man of class and is banging the doll but DESPITE EVERYTHING TO THE CONTRARY she puts her relationship with Cole above the MC and risks permanently alienating him from her Plan all for a femboy she didn't even fuck
, then from those you need an option for MC to "be cool" with it or "fuck the doll, fuck cole, ella went to far I will never work her".....Those paths would then need to be remembered every time Ella or Cole interact with MC and would really hurt the writing (if both scenes were the same) or creates a big workload for the already "worst" section for WW (he said last stream the writing is hard because just text text text text text).
As someone who is fine with amber and liz dying and Cole surviving as part of Ella's plan I would say it's the worst writing in the game if ella doll is able to asspull not only the ability to make it happen but is able to somehow explain to MC that 'wait noooooo I promise this is for you own gooooooood" when he is LITERALLY super saiyan level of angry
Iirc hero isn't being a dumbass this time, they are sending in Nico and one other (unknown? Captain), remember they literally just had 2 of lieutenant get bodied by an s rank by herself.....and you think they are going to send Fodder into their base?
Also it's just a city......... Malik burns the entire city down London style, Nyx walks into the dimension and kills literally everyone by being too much of a goth mommy, bernholdt gives hex a different atmosphere (instantly crushing anybody or everybody in entire dimension), Zach already has them in a loop or whatever he was doing to MC during infiltration, and Lucius......uh...... he makes his clones talk every monster to death
4/5 captains are absolutely "city level" and the other guy can make (way more or way better) than 10,000 clones. Unless hex can release all the monsters at all different points, while not dying to nico, and keeping the dimension from collapsing then SIN (or the part in hex dimension) is so hilariously fucked it's kind of mean to laugh about it
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Damn, oh well I was going I was going to kill himI'm only to going to use WW writing style/level of effort preferences.
That would create 4 scenarios for doll ella: she left MC cuz he's a Lil bitch ass snitch and still somehow ends up right at the cole fight at the right time (gets into problems stopping two people who very much want to kill each other), MC is a man of class and is banging the doll but DESPITE EVERYTHING TO THE CONTRARY she puts her relationship with Cole above the MC and risks permanently alienating him from her Plan all for a femboy she didn't even fuck
Those paths would then need to be remembered every time Ella or Cole interact with MC and would really hurt the writing (if both scenes were the same) or creates a big workload for the already "worst" section for WW (he said last stream the writing is hard because just text text text text text).
) anyway.100% (as others) have said you won't be transforming cole. Not for a (good) sex scene and certainly not for good in the narrative. Not least because when cole Evos he will be getting a redesign (like shen has and like WW has hinted/confirmed for other SIN kids).
The best thing that could happen for me this update (in regards to cole fight) is that MC IS THE ONE TO MAKE THE CHOICE TO KILL OR SPARE. I wouldn't mind who or what stops MC as long as him/cole know that he was either going to kill him (proves cole right gives excuse for him to be considerably stronger next time) or spare him (gasp.......CHARACTER GROWTH FOR A BAD GUY?!?@?@)
Edit: Cole is not on "level of plot importance" that Jake is and WW has been able to write around "him being dead" and will continue to be able to do so for future apostle stuff.....but cole? Which apostle is he connected too?
the one that we have a much better one in? (Second) aglaecwif even mentions of big Jake could have been (first mention of one of the "six" whatever Apostles are called when they combine with twin ORDER) nobody has ever even hinted at cole being that important
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By the way, where are y'all getting this info, like WW's writing style, from? The Patreon?100% (as others) have said you won't be transforming cole. Not for a (good) sex scene and certainly not for good in the narrative. Not least because when cole Evos he will be getting a redesign (like shen has and like WW has hinted/confirmed for other SIN kids).
The best thing that could happen for me this update (in regards to cole fight) is that MC IS THE ONE TO MAKE THE CHOICE TO KILL OR SPARE. I wouldn't mind who or what stops MC as long as him/cole know that he was either going to kill him (proves cole right gives excuse for him to be considerably stronger next time) or spare him (gasp.......CHARACTER GROWTH FOR A BAD GUY?!?@?@)
Edit: Cole is not on "level of plot importance" that Jake is and WW has been able to write around "him being dead" and will continue to be able to do so for future apostle stuff.....but cole? Which apostle is he connected too?
Edit: Nevermind, found his Twitch
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Writing style specifically? That's just from how he writes updates you know like "fight-> choice menu -> sleep menu etc".
His level of effort? That's mostly extrapolated from various info from his various weekly streams. Specifically the one last Saturday was about his "update schedule" and gave us a geneal peak on what his hours/work look like between an update. Combine that with the lack of "variable based choices that persist throughout the game" and it would have to be a shift from how he has written previous updates to write one that would play such a variable heavy role. WW has said his game doesn't have "real romance routes" or "non harem" stuff because he "can't be assed to write that".
How many variables has WW had that presisted across updates? (Like the ella/cole ones would need too) I can only think of stuff like "naming your special attack the ultra mega whatever of doom" and that could be from within the same update idk
Another thing that lessens the chance of a doll variable is that basically every relationship in hero (that you can get points with) is only viewable using mods despite having a relationships tab in the menu. WW is a muuuch better writer/artist than a Dev imo
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It's where you were communicating with him that I was asking for. Found his twitch, thanks anyway.
Don't Superhuman powers revolve around getting infected by a virus? At least infect in the right mix, too much resistance means no powers, too little means turning full monster.
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But we can't rule out the possibility of something unexpected happening in the fight that might give him an edge or chance to escape since with WW style of fights there's always something or someone that makes the situation more annoying to for MC like almost all our fights take Clause he was losing then took some drugs and had a power boost then Jakes we had then Deryl should up pulled a I'm evil now moment then I'm not counting the one with the crow guy since that's just him holding back
Look bottom line of drying to make is that with every major fight the enemy we are fighting will not go all out right away on us like an idiot when we clearly are a threat and should be treated as dangerous but no they want save their energy in this life or death match with a man who can turn into anything and has been shown to fight above his power level at the time
Look bottom line of drying to make is that with every major fight the enemy we are fighting will not go all out right away on us like an idiot when we clearly are a threat and should be treated as dangerous but no they want save their energy in this life or death match with a man who can turn into anything and has been shown to fight above his power level at the time
This is true, however it will not come from solely (if at all) doll ella which is what my post was at least about. I still think (and want) cole to live but there are a few things about the "setup" of this Fight that set it apart at least a bit. The main bit is it being at the front of the update, this means that if WW does a huge bummer ending (cole bodies MC, liz amber perma dead, syla says she loves cole more) then that will persist throughout the update and WW is smart enough to know this. That doesn't mean that MC is going to beat cole in a single punch but it means that the ending sets the tone for the rest of the update instead of just a few scenes before the Cliffhanger.
WW could have let Elijah and Kira get bodied/kidnapped/killed in their fight (at the front of an update) but he didn't.....and they aren't even the literal main character
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The MC won't be at his best mentally speaking. He will most likely be blinded by rage and fight purely on instinct at the start of the fight. There's also the fact that the dreams are still fucking with his head (and WW comfirmed on stream that the reverbs are not done yet) so he will also be disoriented at some points during the fight. Taking that into account, Cole could land some good hits on him early on and thus making the fight more difficult throughout. That obviously won't be enough to beat someone who constantly regenerates, so he will also need to show some abilities that could deal with that.
My point is: what will make this fight more balanced for Cole (since the MC SHOULD have a natural advantage over him due to his powers) will be the mental state the MC is in throughout the fight. The moment the MC gets his shit together and starts thinking rationally again, he should be able to outmatch the prick with relative ease. If the dreams take longer than that to subside though, then I think the fight will be even until the end.
My point is: what will make this fight more balanced for Cole (since the MC SHOULD have a natural advantage over him due to his powers) will be the mental state the MC is in throughout the fight. The moment the MC gets his shit together and starts thinking rationally again, he should be able to outmatch the prick with relative ease. If the dreams take longer than that to subside though, then I think the fight will be even until the end.
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The thing is that against an enraged enemy you need to keep your distance, avoid attacks, have a good defense etc, Monster Deryl vs Mc is a good example, Deryl fights in a way that uses lot of strategy and a sound mind, when he lost his cool Mc had the advantage, plus Mc turned to his speed form to dodge better and also had regeneration.
Cole is not specially good at avoiding hits or has a good defense, when fighting a distracted Nico he had to ask Briar for cover so he could get close since Briar can heal, he is also a hothead violent bastard, meaning that he is not the kind to take advantage of careful planning, also Mc can be an absolute monster fighting on instinct, most of his abilities work like that, i think only his memory powers demand more planning and he is still too green on that to try to use against a lvl 3 in a fight.
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I agree that Cole is hotheaded and impulsive, but I don't think that he is incapable of planning. The fact that he asked Briar for backup shows that, while he is a cocky son of a bitch, he is not stupid. He knows that facing a Lvl 5 on his own is suicide. And yes, he has absolutely no respect for the MC whatsoever, so he's not going to be nearly as careful with him at the start. The moment the MC gets him with a good enough hit however, I can see him changing his approach. He won't make a super elaborate plan to deal with MC, but he should be smart enough to capitalize on the MC's altered state, maybe taunting him so he could make even more mistakes or something like that. And he should be able to avoid MC's attacks, especially since they are in a closed space and MC can't use his wings for extra speed.