JoeyGucci

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Dec 15, 2022
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NTL peaked in Treasure of Nadia, and has been losing steam ever since. You can't insistently use the exact same formula over and over, and expect it not to get stale. :censored:
For 1 its NLT
Secondly Loving ToN is a very nostalgic view with rose tinted glasses. People on this site moaned about ToN all the time during its development.
"These puzzles sucks" "what the fuck is this fishing" "Naomi is a dick"

Also why would NLT change a successful formula? It's not like he hasn't tried improve and develop.
Isometric view, more voiced lines, better in game hints.

Comments like this are just so baseless and pointless. If you don't like SoTS don't play it. I loved Call of duty in 2010. I don't like it anymore I enjoy other games instead. And that's okay
 

Ankhesenamun

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For 1 its NLT
Secondly Loving ToN is a very nostalgic view with rose tinted glasses. People on this site moaned about ToN all the time during its development.
"These puzzles sucks" "what the fuck is this fishing" "Naomi is a dick"

Also why would NLT change a successful formula? It's not like he hasn't tried improve and develop.
Isometric view, more voiced lines, better in game hints.

Comments like this are just so baseless and pointless. If you don't like SoTS don't play it. I loved Call of duty in 2010. I don't like it anymore I enjoy other games instead. And that's okay
People on this site moan all the time, that's not the point. Criticism isn’t about disliking something for the sake of it, it’s about wanting it to be better and contributing to a meaningful conversation, which is... you know... the point of where you are right now (a forum).

I could extrapolate on this, BUT, I noticed your profile, Joey. All your 454 comments were posted here, in this game, obsessively and without exception, and concisely defending this game on a constant basis that's barely healthy. So, that leads to one of two things.

Either this is you:

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Or you're with the development team.
And I sincerely hope, you're with the development team.
 

Pervy Sensei

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People on this site moan all the time, that's not the point. Criticism isn’t about disliking something for the sake of it, it’s about wanting it to be better and contributing to a meaningful conversation, which is... you know... the point of where you are right now (a forum).

I could extrapolate on this, BUT, I noticed your profile, Joey. All your 454 comments were posted here, in this game, obsessively and without exception, and concisely defending this game on a constant basis that's barely healthy. So, that leads to one of two things.

Either this is you:

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Or you're with the development team.
And I sincerely hope, you're with the development team.
Since you're interested in contributing to a meaningful conversation:

What is the formula that NLT is using, how does it work, and why has it gotten stale (unlike, for example, GTA, which is just about the best-selling game series around but is based around the same basic formula all along)?

How would you meaningfully respond to the changes Joey pointed out about SotS that make it different, like isometric view, more voiced lines, and better in-game hints?

Additionally, what about changes like adding in fights and side girl content? Is this really the same formula as previous games?

How would you shake up 'the formula' to make future games more interesting?
 

Cabin Fever

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Nov 23, 2018
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Since you're interested in contributing to a meaningful conversation:

What is the formula that NLT is using, how does it work, and why has it gotten stale (unlike, for example, GTA, which is just about the best-selling game series around but is based around the same basic formula all along)?

How would you meaningfully respond to the changes Joey pointed out about SotS that make it different, like isometric view, more voiced lines, and better in-game hints?

Additionally, what about changes like adding in fights and side girl content? Is this really the same formula as previous games?

How would you shake up 'the formula' to make future games more interesting?
To be fair, both JoeyGucci and Ankhesenamun have some valid points.

Virtually all the improvements in this series of NLT games (and there have been improvements with each new game) are technical improvements.

There have also been attempts to add some spice to the gameplay but they mostly fall flat, if not universally panned (fishing game in ToN, anyone?)

For me personally, the area that needs the most improvement (the story) is the area that has shown the least improvements. For example, an MC that behaves like someone with an IQ and EQ that approaches average instead of at a toddler level would be a good start.
 

Pervy Sensei

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To be fair, both JoeyGucci and Ankhesenamun have some valid points.

Virtually all the improvements in this series of NLT games (and there have been improvements with each new game) are technical improvements.

There have also been attempts to add some spice to the gameplay but they mostly fall flat, if not universally panned (fishing game in ToN, anyone?)

For me personally, the area that needs the most improvement (the story) is the area that has shown the least improvements. For example, an MC that behaves like someone with an IQ and EQ that approaches average instead of at a toddler level would be a good start.
I haven't yet seen anything from Ankhesenamun that I would call a valid point, which is why I posted my questions to them in the first place. All there is so far is the vague claim about a formula that's gone stale. I look forward to seeing something more robust in the way of details, if they have such details to provide.
 

housekinokuni1974

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Oct 27, 2022
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i have loved all nlt games, ton was my 1st ever avn so got a little sentimental with this dev, i have tested the game a few months ago and i prefer to wait till 1.0 to see if i'm really into it, from what iv'e seen there's more cons than pros for me but it was at early stages i'm confident in the end all will be fine , and if not, there's plenty other fish in the sea of F95 like they said nothing worth lash out.
Also i was not convinced with the "gift" systems but hey its pretty minor bs
 
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JoeyGucci

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For me personally, the area that needs the most improvement (the story) is the area that has shown the least improvements. For example, an MC that behaves like someone with an IQ and EQ that approaches average instead of at a toddler level would be a good start.
I cant agree more. Brad was an unlikeable dick of an MC. Henry had growth but was insufferable at the start. William was okay... just a bit cocky. Ethan is the first MC in the series i like
 

DukeNukem2585

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To be fair, both @JoeyGucci and @Ankhesenamun have some valid points.

Virtually all the improvements in this series of NLT games (and there have been improvements with each new game) are technical improvements.

There have also been attempts to add some spice to the gameplay but they mostly fall flat, if not universally panned (fishing game in ToN, anyone?)

For me personally, the area that needs the most improvement (the story) is the area that has shown the least improvements. For example, an MC that behaves like someone with an IQ and EQ that approaches average instead of at a toddler level would be a good start.
Nah, the games are fantastic, there's nothing that needs to be "improved". There's only one thing that needs to come back and that's incest.
 
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shuuujin

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how do i get wires ? i follow the walkthrough, but it seems i was locked with the story progression with the NPC, that when she is done, and we back to free control our character again, the room was guarded back by the NPC, which hinders me from getting the wires ?
 

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My latest new perspective
this gmae i found none atractive all are kinda pig for me tought docor gona be vanila but last update show she got no shame too
wish its had someone like jessica or judy or lilia or whatever was her name that duaghter of nadia its been a long time. in epidemic had none too for me
everyone so far for me go to your grade D
and i do not see clopatra think you misplace it with athena dont think athena get many scene but story is about serpent we seen last update so maybe im wrong
 
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