Ren'Py Abandoned The DeLuca Family [Season 1] [HopesGaming]

[Sasanid]

How can i play gracie and isabel event's without doing anything lewd now that my mc and luna are a thing?

If I remember, there are some choices you can make that won't push anything further.

But otherwise, you can't, that's pretty much the reason of their paths.

 

[risky0]

I know that I don't see anything non-blood related as incest, if Cordia isn't MCs natural mom, it shouldn't matter.

Not sure about Antonio being MCs stepbro, but Cordia may have had a trist with MCs dad, for sure.

But if Cordia still is a LI, I don't see any 'incest' there.

The developer says there is no incest in the game.
Another way of saying cordia and mc's father never married.

According to the law, if there is no marriage, it is not considered incest.
In this case, it is okay for Antonio and Mc to be step brothers.

 

[JJJ84]

I understand what you mean, but I disagree.

Isn't it a pressure to want the current structure of the game not to change?
You say that the game was planned in this structure in the form of 4 main LI, we cannot know this.
Even if what you said about the developer's only 4 main LI plans when creating the game is true, I don't want to get into a philosophical discussion, but over the years ideas and plans change.
And this game has been developing since 2018 as far as I can see it's a very long time.

My opinion has not changed about adding at least one main LI from a different family.
If the developer activates the game's VN Mode, we will not be affected by free roaming as a player.
I hope you don't misunderstand me.

I never said the current structure of 4 main LIs is planned by Hopes is a fact.
I only said that there's factors which strongly seem to imply this (such as the portraits and relationship points such as red hearts).

And yes, as you said ideas and plans can change (and Hopes did change some aspects of the game).
But from what I've seen Hopes' responses to my questions till now.
It seemed like he was trimming the unnecessary fat (for the lack of better term for less useful parts of the game) off, and focusing on what is working.

Dev activating game's VN mode? Uhhhh.... why?
The lion's share of players who play the game do it through "Full Experience" mode (there's also "Just Story" mode, and "VN mode" Iirc, other that Full Exp, only Just Story is available), which gives players control with the limited free-roaming inside the DeLuca mansion.
I get that you like Siobhan very much (and you want either her or another character from another Family to be a main LI), but the game has always had Main LIs be available in free-roam.

To throw that away and force players (i.e. Full Experience players especially. But iirc [though not 100% sure, since I'm a Full Exp player primarily], even just Story has Freeroam in it? Only ones exempt from freeroam would be VN mode players, the mode which hasn't even been implemented yet) to go through VN mode just for a new LI's sake would really stick out like a sore thumb (not to mention the whole inconsistency between the 4 main LIs till now and the "new" main LI).

I know you'll disagree (and that's fine, not like I'm trying to persuade you or anything), but for me? I'd rather they just keep Siobhan as a side LI but with more presence, than push her (or other new female character) in as a main LI, when it clearly doesn't seem to fit naturally with how the game seemed to have been designed as.

And also, let's say I humor the scenario (of activating VN mode for the "new" LI) despite me thinking it's a bad idea.
There's still the issues of there needing to be a heap of dedicated lewd/freeroam events just for that new character alone, not to mention the rotation issue (basically points 2 & 3 that I mentioned).


Now don't misunderstand, I like Siobhan too (actually I like her a lot), and same goes for other characters of this game (especially female characters, haha).

But I just don't think it is worth it to turn her (or any additional "new" female character) into a main LI, given all the hassles as well as hoops and hurdles Hopes would need to jump over.

And current LI system Hopes has, works with no issues (so there's no need for an overhaul, like with Wilfred's Contracts).
As the old saying goes "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Mc father/Cordia = They were not married.
Would this be incest?

That doesn't matter (that they were not married).
It's implied in some scenes (though I'm not so sure whether it's true or not) that MC's father = Antonio's father.
That would make Cordia MC's stepmom (given she's Antonio's biological mother).

And if that actually turns out to be true in the future, then according to this site (and how tags are attached to games regarding the Zone's definitions), the game will likely end up getting tagged with incest (and yes, definition of incest varies depending on the person. Some would consider such relationship incest, whereas others would not. But the Zone's tags definition I remember such relationship being categorized as incest).

Not that I mind whether it's categorized that way or not, but I just don't think Hopes would risk it all by putting the story in such situation (and the debacle that would result with that).

 

[JJJ84]

And to further emphasize the point, here is this site's definition of Incest:



https://f95zone.to/threads/tags-rules-and-list-updated-2023-02-03.10394/

So doesn't matter whether legally it's considered Incest or not, in terms of the zone, it would be tagged as one (if MC and Antonio end up being half brothers).


- Cordia and MC Family relatives?
Check. If it turns out true that MC and Antonio are half brothers and share the same father (with Cordia being Antonio's mom), which results Cordia being MC's step-mom.

- Cordia and MC not related by blood?
Check. Cordia has said to MC (when she caught him sneaking into her office) that Rina, her best friend is MC's biological mom (so no blood relations between MC & Cordia).

 

[Cartageno]

Wait, you mean there's a different way to play?

I always play celibate. Sometimes, when I am kinky, I will be a trustworthy husband, but only with my married wife, in missionary, when the lights are out.

That doesn't matter (that they were not married).
It's implied in some scenes (though I'm not so sure whether it's true or not) that MC's father = Antonio's father.
That would make Cordia MC's stepmom (given she's Antonio's biological mother).

IMO it is more complicated than that - not claiming that I would know how F95 decides it. I do think that the intent (insert image of a proud Gracie here) of the rule is that a person you grew up with as a family is "off limits" for society and thus this kink. With some woman with whom you have some three step connection (mother of the son of my father) and who you only know for a couple of days, the situation should be different. There is no blood relation and no "family life" relation here, and for me it wouldn't satisfy the "Big I" kink. Others might disagree. But I don't think there would be any use in applying this tag to this game (given all our assumptions are correct), arguably nobody who is looking for the kink would be satisfied, arguably nobody who wants to avoid it would be offended to find this game.

 

[risky0]

And to further emphasize the point, here is this site's definition of Incest:

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https://f95zone.to/threads/tags-rules-and-list-updated-2023-02-03.10394/

So doesn't matter whether legally it's considered Incest or not, in terms of the zone, it would be tagged as one (if MC and Antonio end up being half brothers).


- Cordia and MC Family relatives?
Check. If it turns out true that MC and Antonio are half brothers and share the same father (with Cordia being Antonio's mom), which results Cordia being MC's step-mom.

- Cordia and MC not related by blood?
Check. Cordia has said to MC (when she caught him sneaking into her office) that Rina, her best friend is MC's biological mom (so no blood relations between MC & Cordia).

If I were a developer I wouldn't care about the tags here.
So the real question here is: How will patreon handle this situation?

 

[c3p0]

And to further emphasize the point, here is this site's definition of Incest:

https://f95zone.to/threads/tags-rules-and-list-updated-2023-02-03.10394/

We doubt that Hope has the zone's definition of incest in mind and we believe it is more the Patreon's defintion of incest...

So the real question here is: How will patreon handle this situation?

How they want? At least that is what we believe.

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So, no clear definition given other than their Trust and Safety team will decide.

 

[Valdazz]

If I remember, there are some choices you can make that won't push anything further.

But otherwise, you can't, that's pretty much the reason of their paths.

Ah i see, so i should just avoid doing their events then. i'll just focus on luna's from now on...even tho there isn't much...i sometimes wonder if the dev dislike luna

 

[JJJ84]

IMO it is more complicated than that - not claiming that I would know how F95 decides it. I do think that the intent (insert image of a proud Gracie here) of the rule is that a person you grew up with as a family is "off limits" for society and thus this kink. With some woman with whom you have some three way connection (mother of the son of my father) and who you only know for a couple of days, the situation should be different. There is no blood relation and no "family life" relation here, and for me it wouldn't satisfy the "Big I" kink. Others might disagree. But I don't think there would be any use in applying this tag to this game (given all our assumptions are correct), arguably nobody who is looking for the kink would be satisfied, arguably nobody who wants to avoid it would be offended to find this game.

Yeah, even as a Incest kink, it wouldn't really be a traditional one, with the whole MC "growing up" under Cordia's care being non-existent.

In terms of the whole what is treated as Incest, there would be so many debate of "Yes it is." "No it isn't" or "It depends on the state" etc etc that I wouldn't want to get into.

But I think this type of debate (or arguments depending on who discusses them I suppose), would be something Hopes wishes to avoid (though I guess we won't know until he chips in this convo, heh).

How they want? At least that is what we believe.

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So, no clear definition given other than their Trust and Safety team will decide.

Damn, I was just about to reply to him, and you beat me to it!

We doubt that Hope has the zone's definition of incest in mind and we believe it is more the Patreon's defintion of incest...

True.
Does Patreon actually say anywhere on their guidelines/rules their definition of incest?
I don't think I'm seeing anything else other than the whole "Trust and Safety Team" will decide case by case that you quoted.

 

[Sasanid]

Ah i see, so i should just avoid doing their events then. i'll just focus on luna's from now on...even tho there isn't much...i sometimes wonder if the dev dislike luna

I wouldn't say avoid, while it's not a harem game and there's a 'cheating' tag (mainly for Isabel, I suppose), you can do all of them conjointly, there's even a small 'opening' with Gracie and Isabel if you want to go that way. There's a lot of background to be known, too. And, well, Uncle is probably aware of everything anyway.

Bear in mind, I played as a 'manwhore', and I supposed you probably can't play their paths without lewd content, but I'm not 100% sure.

Lastly, for Luna, yeah there are less events than the other 2, especially Gracie, but 'dislike' ? The 'I am Luna' event is possibly the biggest and most meaningful of them all, so far in the game. (both Gracie and Isabel had meaningful ones, too, but Luna had the most impact, to me at least, only Leap of Faith and Artemis managed to make me cry, until that event)

 

[Krynh]

Technically there will be step-cest between Isabel and Gracie. Eventually

 

[Sasanid]

Technically there will be step-cest between Isabel and Gracie. Eventually

Since the producer said there won't be incest, wonder if Antonio will be dead by then.

And anyway, given how many events Gracie and Isabel already had, and how it ended with Gracie shot, we probably won't see that for a while.

 

[whichone]

Mc father/Cordia = They were not married.
Would this be incest?

No. Not even close. MC & her are not related in any way.
Banging your Dad's ex (from before you were born) is not incest.
Think if you had a brother who fucked some girl when you were 17, then they never saw each other again. You meet her when you're 28 & fuck her.
Same situation. Nothing close to incest.

- Cordia and MC Family relatives?
Check. If it turns out true that MC and Antonio are half brothers and share the same father (with Cordia being Antonio's mom), which results Cordia being MC's step-mom.

No it doesn't. I'm afraid that's not remotely correct.
She only becomes his step-Mother if she marries his Father.
The non-blood parent of a half-sibling is no relation to you, unless married to the blood parent.
Only then do they become your step-parent. She never was.
Zero relation to MC.

Her having a child with MC's Father, before MC's birth, makes her absolutely nothing to MC, except an ex of his Dad's from before he was born.
It makes Antonio half-brother, because they share one parent, their Father. Hence "half".
It does not make her any relation to MC, whatsoever. It only makes her Son one.
Zero incest.

Technically there will be step-cest between Isabel and Gracie. Eventually

Isabel & Gracie are not "step" Sisters. They're Sister-in-law.

Ah i see, so i should just avoid doing their events then. i'll just focus on luna's from now on...even tho there isn't much...i sometimes wonder if the dev dislike luna

Completing the girls' side quests also gives you stat points.
Gracie's increases Intelligence +3
Isabel's increase Charisma +3
Luna's increase Agility +3

 

[Krynh]

And, well, Uncle is probably aware of everything anyway.

Wouldn't he kill MC if he knew exactly what he was doing? While they know he had been in the office twice they don't know about the hidden camera/microphone.

 

[Sasanid]

Wouldn't he kill MC if he knew exactly what he was doing? While they know he had been in the office twice they don't know about the hidden camera/microphone.

In one event, don't remember which one, where Gracie and Luna play around like they usually do, Uncle does his usual best to intimidate/annoy the MC, but at some point he just tells him both he and Cordia knows that he's getting closer and closer to both girls, but he just reminds him to never harm them, cause yeah, wouldn't last long.

He also knows about the bottles of wine the MC buys for Isabel, and that she's lonely, also probably knows Antonio is bisexual.

Now, to what extent to they know what the MC and the girls do, of course it's up to debate, but the MC and the girls haven't exactly been cautious in the house.

All conjecture on my part, of course, guess we'll eventually see how much they know.

 

[PapaPhat]

How can i play gracie and isabel event's without doing anything lewd now that my mc and luna are a thing?

If/when you tell Gracie or Isabel no that you don't want to be intimate with them, their path ends and you do NOT get to play the rest of that LI's events. You CAN say no but you suffer the consequences as well. Make a save and try it. You will see.

Don't think that was the answer you wanted to hear but that is the truth none the less.

Adventure ever on my friend, Phat

 

[Valdazz]

If/when you tell Gracie or Isabel no that you don't want to be intimate with them, their path ends and you do NOT get to play the rest of that LI's events. You CAN say no but you suffer the consequences as well. Make a save and try it. You will see.

Don't think that was the answer you wanted to hear but that is the truth none the less.

Adventure ever on my friend, Phat

Ok thanks for the info

 

[JLucci]

But having said that, if we hypothetically assume for a moment that MC & Antonio share their Father, wouldn't Cordia literally be MC's........stepmom (given Cordia is Antonio's mother, which season 1 didn't give us any reason to doubt)?

She wouldn't be considered a stepmom if they either weren't married or if they got a divorce. At least legally speaking.

The developer says there is no incest in the game.
Another way of saying cordia and mc's father never married.

According to the law, if there is no marriage, it is not considered incest.
In this case, it is okay for Antonio and Mc to be step brothers.

They wouldn't be considered step brothers in that case too. They would be half-brothers though.

 

[whichone]

To help with terms:
A "step" relative is only by marriage. You &\or your partner have existing kids from previous partners. Step-child\step-parent\step-sibling.
No genetic link.
An "in-law" is also only by marriage. Your partner's immediate family, or your sibling's spouse.
Again, no genetic link.
Both of these are nullified by divorce.

A "half" sibling shares one biological parent. Hence half.
Roughly 25% genetic link.
The non-blood parent of a half-sibling is no relation, unless married to the blood parent (see "step").
Even if MC is blood related to Antonio (half-brother), MC is still not related to Cordia, in any way.
They absolutely can be half-brothers, without MC & Cordia contravening the "no incest" policy.

 

[PapaPhat]

Ok thanks for the info

At first, I felt like I was cheating on Luna too but when you see Luna as part of the stories for both Gracie and Isabel you will feel better. Besides... do you really want to be the one to tell Luna De Luca that you broke her beloved sister Gracie's heart? (Not me! No thank you, sir!!! Hahaha) The girls have been learning to share... somewhat. Hahaha IMHO, it is far better to play all of the events rather than skip anything. Gracie and Isabel have a LOT of content in the current version of the game. It would be a shame to miss it. It's not just a series of dates, although dates are a part of it, there are large pieces of the overall story that you cannot get any other way. Luna can still be your number one. She is for me too. I LOVE Luna De Luca!!!

I hope this helps. Adventure ever on my friend, Phat



PS: Part of one of Gracie's events involves Luna introducing MC to the contact she was meeting about a firearm that day she and MC spent under the tree... I'm sure you remember... Well, that contact and the supplies Gracie needs will run you three grand! So, get a few extra missions from Uncle Wilfred to prepare for that expense. Thanks, Luna... Yes, I am being sarcastic as Luna insisted that MC be the buyer rather than her which is why this one will cost you 3K instead of only 1K. So yeah... thanks Luna! She's lucky we love her. Hahaha