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I rarely waste time discussing nonsense, but I reiterate that the issue of irritation or displeasure on the part of some has nothing to do with this specific game, but rather with mental health. It's impossible for mentally sound people to treat games as if they were REAL, and that's all I've always noticed in relation to any narrative works, from comics and manhwas to visual novels and games.

Getting irritated by fictional plots is not normal.
Bro, all you "reiterate" is that people shouldn't be emotional about anything, we get it, you're apathetic.

We're human, we get emotionally invested in things, even if we know they're fake. I cry at movies, I get annoyed at books, and yes, get angry at silly porn stories, there's nothing abnormal about that.
 

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as someone who often criticizes the ntr complainers.... there's a large segment missing in this take....

those who dont get a stiffy watching gross old men fuck. Mind you, that's not up on some soapbox about how 'oh i only get aroused by ALPHA SEX SCENES!!' - cheating scenes whatever can be fine if they're hot. However I, shockingly, find gross old men, well, old and gross.
Cheating scenes are never hot for me. I play this to share Kathryn with old dudes like the flasher, and if people don't like the beauty and the beast dynamic then I don't know what to tell them since it was prominent since day one.

It's just a shame Luke won't be able to slurp that cum out of Kathryn once the flasher leaves.
 

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I rarely waste time discussing nonsense, but I reiterate that the issue of irritation or displeasure on the part of some has nothing to do with this specific game, but rather with mental health. It's impossible for mentally sound people to treat games as if they were REAL, and that's all I've always noticed in relation to any narrative works, from comics and manhwas to visual novels and games.

Getting irritated by fictional plots is not normal.
It’s about the very poor executed and forced NTR Path, even NTS Path and Pure Path
For NTR you need a buildup, which nearly didn’t happen. We got a forced story which made no Sense

It’s easy to steal a woman (NTR) when you successful, big and confident. She falls easy for these Traits when her Partner doesn’t fulfill them. You have your fun for a few weeks, till she gets annoying und then you steal the next woman.

Simply easy Life. One of the Reasons why we have so many Femcels, when they hit the wall
Now we have a forced und unbelievable NTR story. Maybe the „Horny Drug“ in the basement explains everything. We’ll see
 

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Bro, all you "reiterate" is that people shouldn't be emotional about anything, we get it, you're apathetic.

We're human, we get emotionally invested in things, even if we know they're fake. I cry at movies, I get annoyed at books, and yes, get angry at silly porn stories, there's nothing abnormal about that.
Maybe not abnormal, but it does show you lack emotional regulation and an inability to detach from fictional scenarios. Which is a symptom of a juvenile prefrontal cortex and underlying unresolved emotional trauma.


It never ceases to amaze me how games like this constantly attract people that love to endlessly argue over the definitions of tags and genres when they are entirely opinion based.
That's why tags should only be viewed as a guide, not a rule book.
 
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wait but what does that have to do with what we were talking about, the concept of ntr old ugly bastards in a game?
It's what Listander and Fusionzone where talking about, you said you didn't follow.
It can easily relate to ntr (women's desires not being satisfied, seeking in others.) Now, it may involve an ugly bastard or not but this is mainly a preference, I guess, I didn't say it explains all your questions or that I'm an expert as some here suggest.
 

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It’s about the very poor executed and forced NTR Path
What forced NTR are you talking about? I might've loved that. Every instance where Kathryn can fuck someone else seems to be just a "cheat now? yes/no" choice for the player when he controls her or "tell wife to cheat now? yes/no" when he controls the MC.
You're entirely in control of any extra marital sex in this game, pulling all the strings. The only one forcing NTR is you the player, which means it's not even true ntr to begin with and yet you're still somehow pretending it's forced on you? How? What did I miss?
 
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What forced NTR are you talking about? I might've loved that, I didn't see anything like that. Every instance where Kathryn can fuck someone else is just a "cheat now? yes/no" choice for the player. The only one forcing NTR is you the player, that's not even true ntr to begin with.
the act of cheating isn't forced but being in a situation where you can is very forced ( Luke leaving and Kat staying with Pat and then getting a motel room and not trying to get 2 separate rooms.)
 
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Maybe not abnormal, but it does show you lack emotional regulation and an inability to detach from fictional scenarios. Which is a symptom of a juvenile prefrontal cortex and underlying unresolved emotional trauma.
I wonder what posting this kind of comment on a porn site forum is a symptom of...

the act of cheating isn't forced but being in a situation where you can is very forced ( Luke leaving and Kat staying with Pat and then getting a motel room and not trying to get 2 separate rooms.)
Even just dancing with Pat in the club, you have no say if I remember correctly, she dances with him and it's extremely sexual with him basically feeling her up, getting hard, etc. MC of course is played off like he's a fucking idiot "Oh, I guess that's what young people do these days" (???) It was insulting lol.

The drama is also very much forced in this last update. You could have her not engage in a single sexual act with anyone other than the MC and the MC never cheats on her, but the game still forces the feeling of anxiety/did she/didn't she on the player.
 
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I wonder what posting this kind of comment on a porn site forum is a symptom of...



Even just dancing with Pat in the club, you have no say if I remember correctly, she dances with him and it's extremely sexual with him basically feeling her up, getting hard, etc. MC of course is played off like he's a fucking idiot "Oh, I guess that's what young people do these days" (???) It was insulting lol.

The drama is also very much forced in this last update. You could have her not engage in a single sexual act with anyone other than the MC and the MC never cheats on her, but the game still forces the feeling of anxiety/did she/didn't she on the player.
I feel like the game since the start has been encouraging Luke (the player) to cheat and perhaps with the possibility of Kat cheating in the future in mind? I mean how mad can Luke be at Kat for fucking his Dad if he himself has fucked her Mom? At least she had the decency to look guilty and upset after I guess unlike him.
I do wonder how that's going to affect the next chapter and if Kat will confess to Luke or if she will be too afraid?
If she does confess will there be a moment of flashbacks for Luke and his own cheating in the past?

Things are obviously different if you have played a loyal Luke for the whole game. Like I said before I would imagine that the blood test results will come back and that will show that they are under the influence of this mysterious horny drug. Then things will move forward regardless of previous actions.
 
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I feel like the game since the start has been encouraging Luke (the player) to cheat and perhaps with the possibility of Kat cheating in the future in mind? I mean how mad can Luke be at Kat for fucking his Dad if he himself has fucked her Mom? At least she had the decency to look guilty and upset after I guess unlike him.
I do wonder how that's going to affect the next chapter and if Kat will confess to Luke or if she will be too afraid?
If she does confess will there be a moment of flashbacks for Luke and his own cheating in the past?

Things are obviously different if you have played a loyal Luke for the whole game. Like I said before I would imagine that the blood test results will come back and that will show that they are under the influence of this mysterious horny drug. Then things will move forward regardless of previous actions.
If the cheating occurs, I'm wondering if Kath even needs to confess to Luke. I'm wondering if Pat wouldn't text him photos and FMV of the event just to remind him, "I can take whatever I want from you." Admittedly, I don't care much for Pat...

Also, FWIW, does Kath hate her mother the way Luke hates his father? Pat isn't just Luke's father; he's pretty much Luke's most-hated man on earth. The fact Kath chose to cheat with Pat of all people would, at least in my mind, bother Luke more than if she just hooked up with some random homeless guy in the park.
 

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If the cheating occurs, I'm wondering if Kath even needs to confess to Luke. I'm wondering if Pat wouldn't text him photos and FMV of the event just to remind him, "I can take whatever I want from you." Admittedly, I don't care much for Pat...
To be fair he even looks kinda guilty or is at least pretending to during the drive back. Which is kinda strange considering it was his plan all along? If she does cheat obviously.
One thing that makes me think that she won't confess is if Bobby is going to keep the NTR going and the NTR fans happy, then she needs to be sneaking around. Confessing this early would kinda ruin that?
What they love is an oblivious MC and a slutty FMC going behind his back.
 
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To be fair he even looks kinda guilty or is at least pretending to during the drive back. Which is kinda strange considering it was his plan all along? If she does cheat obviously.
One thing that makes me think that she won't confess is if Bobby is going to keep the NTR going and the NTR fans happy, then she needs to be sneaking around. Confessing this early would kinda ruin that?
What they love is an oblivious MC and a slutty FMC going behind his back.
There's no way the dev is going to be able to seriously play Pat off as sympathetic in a "oops, sorry, I fucked your girlfriend, just couldn't help myself, I feel bad (LUUUUL)" way. You don't just "accidentally" fuck your son's significant other. There is a lot of hate/desire for dominating/selfishness involved in something like that. Especially since he basically targeted her from the start.

Yep, I don't think she'll confess right away, it would ruin that anxiety that the NTR folk like so much. Also then, the dev has to write a believable scenario for why Luke wouldn't just be like "yea, fuck off, we're done". Although, the dev is already writing Luke as getting dumber and dumber as things go along, so you never know.
 

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Honestly I would just like to have a choice for Kat to confess or not if she did cheat. The pure NTR players can keep it a secret while I can confess and see how things open go from there with their relationship depending if Luke also cheated or not plus that's the way I would like to play a cheating Kathryn. Not sure if that would happen cause it be extra work but one can dream / hope for it lol.
 
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To be fair he even looks kinda guilty or is at least pretending to during the drive back. Which is kinda strange considering it was his plan all along? If she does cheat obviously.
One thing that makes me think that she won't confess is if Bobby is going to keep the NTR going and the NTR fans happy, then she needs to be sneaking around. Confessing this early would kinda ruin that?
What they love is an oblivious MC and a slutty FMC going behind his back.
True; but if the intent was to shake up the relationship but not break it, having this be a one-off would give a potential forgiveness reset for the couple (both of them). If there's no option to bring it up for discussion, the player would be locked on the cheat/NTR path at that point. Kinda limiting for some players since just one slip-up could lock your options for the rest of the game. Oh well, I guess that's why we have save points.
 

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Well it depends on if Kathryn did sleep with Pat. If we choose for her not too then there's nothing to confess.
 

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True; but if the intent was to shake up the relationship but not break it, having this be a one-off would give a potential forgiveness reset for the couple (both of them). If there's no option to bring it up for discussion, the player would be locked on the cheat/NTR path at that point. Kinda limiting for some players since just one slip-up could lock your options for the rest of the game. Oh well, I guess that's why we have save points.
I mean.... having an event where your girlfriend fucks your dad then says sorry is a WILD way to do a 'forgiveness' narrative. Much more basic occam's razor says femprotag/ntr patreons at the helm.
 
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I mean.... having an event where your girlfriend fucks your dad then says sorry is a WILD way to do a 'forgiveness' narrative. Much more basic occam's razor says femprotag/ntr patreons at the helm.
I didn't say I liked it; I don't. I simply look for ways to bring things back to the centerline if the player wants. For me, introducing that event the way the dev did broke trust with some players because that entire sequence forcibly went against earlier player choices (for some players). If you read the dev's patreon comments you saw what his intent was. I'm fine with NTR players deciding to run the NTR route I just felt the scripted (forced) way of putting all the players' characters in that motel room was a mistake. And the only way to avoid the whole Pat fight scene was to allow Kath to go with Pat unsupervised. Allow choices so that those who want the cheat route can get it but those of us who don't want the cheat route could avoid it.
 

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I didn't say I liked it; I don't. I simply look for ways to bring things back to the centerline if the player wants. For me, introducing that event the way the dev did broke trust with some players because that entire sequence forcibly went against earlier player choices (for some players). If you read the dev's patreon comments you saw what his intent was. I'm fine with NTR players deciding to run the NTR route I just felt the scripted (forced) way of putting all the players' characters in that motel room was a mistake. And the only way to avoid the whole Pat fight scene was to allow Kath to go with Pat unsupervised. Allow choices so that those who want the cheat route can get it but those of us who don't want the cheat route could avoid it.
Sure, but you wouldn't deny the whole scene is flavored in that way, regardless of the outcome on paper. Or maybe we're saying the same thing - I'm totally fine with the way it played out with Kat returning to hotel with Pat IF player opted for them to go alone and didnt engage/fought with her. What I don't like is how even with the best intentions - going on the date together, being reasonable and supportive; she still ends up there. To me that felt like being beaten over the head by a plot stick defying the players choices.

Hopefully he'll find a way to write it which soothes over/makes all kinds of players happy. Like I said prior I was far more frustrated with the previous night scene. The Pat thing, while leaving a bad taste in my mouth, ultimately can be pushed away.
 

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The first dev log of Chapter nine should be in a couple of days. Bobby said he's also putting a poll up which I'm kind of nervous about :HideThePain:
 
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