VN Ren'Py The Home of Pleasure [Ep.2 P3 v0.2.3] [Whispering Eye Games]

[BobbaBooeyGooey]

I FUCKING HATE YOU :sob:

 

[Izarp]

The scene with the friend* and her girlfriend was so good, but before that came the discussion about the blackmail (which seems out of place to me). It captures how I feel about this game (a big conflict)...

Until the blackmail part i was going to post a review and give the game 4 stars, but I decided that I will wait to see what the developer decides, because if I do it now, the rating will be lower.

 

[Juerhullycin]

Man, the longer I think about it, the more I want to see how Dev will pull off MC's rise to Britain's biggest crime lord.

From the dude sleeping in, forgetting his toothbrush (despite being reminded to check if he got everything), getting played by a serial shitter.

To a ruthless, scheming and brutal crime lord. A crime lord who sells hard drugs to kids. One who strings the serial shitter up by his own entrails, in the cinema he orchestrates his crime empire out off, just to send a message. Shooting the two thugs for daring to threaten his family.

I really really want to see how that transformation happens.
Maybe we even get a time skip while MC trains to become an SAS operative?
Maybe the criminal organisation uses the MC as a mule for a super soldier serum, and he takes it to avoid arrest?
Maybe MC awakens magic powers in a life-or-death situation or when he thinks Sophie is being killed?

 

[Knight_of_the_lance]

The problem with him acting as a mule is that he knows so little about the organisation he would work for that he could easily be the sacrificial lamb to the cops while an other far more profitable shipment pass by. And no the chat with Kate does not dismiss that possibility since whatever he would be carrying would not be counted as a loss but as a cost of doing business.

Overall I don't really mind the Blackmail plotline and narrative shift, even if it could have been done better. Simply putting the thugs in suits or more "normal" clothing like a FC jersey or something similar would have made them more believable. About the gun he would just have had to show that he is carrying one to show he meant business rather than take it in hand. and let's not talk about the lame kitchen knife.

Thinking about it, I'm quite surprised that whispering eye games made those two thugs as they are. The underling that came to take Kate back home was so much more credible than those two that I have a hard time seeing them as anything else than street dealers hi on their own stock wanting to go up in the food chain or wanting out of their own delivery duty. They must have some kind of direct connection to the store clerk for her to call on those two rather than someone else more competent to deal with a shoplifter trying to get off with only one item.

Now let's talk about that clerk. I don't know one boutique clerk that would let a customer go into a booth with lingerie underwear or bathing suit. It's fun in AVN logic to let that go to have a show of the characters in different outfit but that's not reality. So either the clerk let Beth take the set she stole to the booth on purpose or the dev played a lot of Adult games. (Here I would here on the later since his characters are also getting massages with their arms under their head.)
Kate revealed to the MC that they know each other as more than simple acquaintances. I find strange that he would not use her as a resource for at least information on how to get out of this mess. He's too much of a gentleman to use Kate as blackmail against that clerk to coerce her into helping him out of the mess she put him in, but Kate is definitely someone who should be invaluable to him in his situation. And I don't remember why he doesn't want to talk about this situation with her. He can't be stupid enough to think he can get out of that mess with out talking to someone with more knowledge of his situation than himself. His own thought by himself in his room while on his bed will never be enough to elaborate something to get out of that. He's a cinema manager, not an intern at a law firm with aspirations to get to be a partner within a few years with the admiration of his coworkers.

With all that written, I'll write again I have nothing against the blackmail and shoplifting event storyline, but I admit it could have been done better or at least with more intent. For me the biggest hole in it right now is not necessarily the thugs themselves as long as their behavior and presence is eventually well justified. For me it's not using Kate in that story. Even if she is not directly in that world she still is connected to it. The minimum he could do is get some info from her about how to get out of his mess he had the opportunity to do so and didn't take it even if she gave away some info on her own, that was not enough for him to find an out.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

The problem with him acting as a mule is that he knows so little about the organisation he would work for that he could easily be the sacrificial lamb to the cops while an other far more profitable shipment pass by. And no the chat with Kate does not dismiss that possibility since whatever he would be carrying would not be counted as a loss but as a cost of doing business.

Overall I don't really mind the Blackmail plotline and narrative shift, even if it could have been done better. Simply putting the thugs in suits or more "normal" clothing like a FC jersey or something similar would have made them more believable. About the gun he would just have had to show that he is carrying one to show he meant business rather than take it in hand. and let's not talk about the lame kitchen knife.

Making blackmail more realistic isn't going to make me like it.

Thinking about it, I'm quite surprised that whispering eye games made those two thugs as they are. The underling that came to take Kate back home was so much more credible than those two that I have a hard time seeing them as anything else than street dealers hi on their own stock wanting to go up in the food chain or wanting out of their own delivery duty. They must have some kind of direct connection to the store clerk for her to call on those two rather than someone else more competent to deal with a shoplifter trying to get off with only one item.

Now let's talk about that clerk. I don't know one boutique clerk that would let a customer go into a booth with lingerie underwear or bathing suit. It's fun in AVN logic to let that go to have a show of the characters in different outfit but that's not reality. So either the clerk let Beth take the set she stole to the booth on purpose or the dev played a lot of Adult games. (Here I would here on the later since his characters are also getting massages with their arms under their head.)
Kate revealed to the MC that they know each other as more than simple acquaintances. I find strange that he would not use her as a resource for at least information on how to get out of this mess. He's too much of a gentleman to use Kate as blackmail against that clerk to coerce her into helping him out of the mess she put him in, but Kate is definitely someone who should be invaluable to him in his situation. And I don't remember why he doesn't want to talk about this situation with her. He can't be stupid enough to think he can get out of that mess with out talking to someone with more knowledge of his situation than himself. His own thought by himself in his room while on his bed will never be enough to elaborate something to get out of that. He's a cinema manager, not an intern at a law firm with aspirations to get to be a partner within a few years with the admiration of his coworkers.

With all that written, I'll write again I have nothing against the blackmail and shoplifting event storyline, but I admit it could have been done better or at least with more intent. For me the biggest hole in it right now is not necessarily the thugs themselves as long as their behavior and presence is eventually well justified. For me it's not using Kate in that story. Even if she is not directly in that world she still is connected to it. The minimum he could do is get some info from her about how to get out of his mess he had the opportunity to do so and didn't take it even if she gave away some info on her own, that was not enough for him to find an out.

Personally, I'm only interested in having the two options I want (ending the blackmail by leaving the criminal world and breaking up with Beth) exist in the next update.

In the end, all this blackmail will do is make me rule out what initially seemed like the best LI.

 

[LordWanze]

My only concern for getting rid of Beth is that my favorite is Bo, and I'm not sure how she will react to that.
And from what I read I'm in the minority there, so probably won't get any good options.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

My only concern for getting rid of Beth is that my favorite is Bo, and I'm not sure how she will react to that.
And from what I read I'm in the minority there, so probably won't get any good options.

I like Bo, but I like (or used to like) Beth more. And my intention is for the MC to break up with her, so if Bo doesn't like it, she'll probably join Beth.

 

[Blurpee69]

With all that written, I'll write again I have nothing against the blackmail and shoplifting event storyline, but I admit it could have been done better or at least with more intent. For me the biggest hole in it right now is not necessarily the thugs themselves as long as their behavior and presence is eventually well justified. For me it's not using Kate in that story. Even if she is not directly in that world she still is connected to it. The minimum he could do is get some info from her about how to get out of his mess he had the opportunity to do so and didn't take it even if she gave away some info on her own, that was not enough for him to find an out.

Agreed. It kind of came mostly out of nowhere. The writing hadn't set up Beth as the type to shoplift and the motivation she provided to her family wasn't established prior to shoplifting either. The story could have introduced another girl to fill that role, or that role could have been given to Kate / Sophie or heck even Bo as a form of rebellion against her parents.

But anyway as my first post to this thread. I'd just like to comment that this is a harem game "done right" in my opinion. The MC doesn't just walk into a room, point at a woman, and she instantly falls in love with him. It was established early that Sophie kind of had a thing for incest and the MC, and the rug was slightly pulled from under Beth by Bo. But most of the rest of the potential harem has shown a decent enough deal of "resistence" and the threads that lead them towards the harem have been believable enough that I'm on board with it. Beth and Grace despite spending more time with the MC than most of the rest of the cast not already being on his dick is a nice change of pace from other harem games I've played on this site (Caribdis being the other exception.)

I hope that we see more of the girls interacting as part of the harem too, but that does seem to be pretty well established already. Just another pet peeve of most other harem games I've run across, when the LIs never really interact with each other so the harem aspect is wasted and instead it's just a series of one on one interactions.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

The scene with the friend* and her girlfriend was so good,

I don't know what scene you're talking about.

 

[Knight_of_the_lance]

Agreed. It kind of came mostly out of nowhere. The writing hadn't set up Beth as the type to shoplift and the motivation she provided to her family wasn't established prior to shoplifting either. The story could have introduced another girl to fill that role, or that role could have been given to Kate / Sophie or heck even Bo as a form of rebellion against her parents.

But anyway as my first post to this thread. I'd just like to comment that this is a harem game "done right" in my opinion. The MC doesn't just walk into a room, point at a woman, and she instantly falls in love with him. It was established early that Sophie kind of had a thing for incest and the MC, and the rug was slightly pulled from under Beth by Bo. But most of the rest of the potential harem has shown a decent enough deal of "resistence" and the threads that lead them towards the harem have been believable enough that I'm on board with it. Beth and Grace despite spending more time with the MC than most of the rest of the cast not already being on his dick is a nice change of pace from other harem games I've played on this site (Caribdis being the other exception.)

I hope that we see more of the girls interacting as part of the harem too, but that does seem to be pretty well established already. Just another pet peeve of most other harem games I've run across, when the LIs never really interact with each other so the harem aspect is wasted and instead it's just a series of one on one interactions.

Personally I can kind of excuse Beth, we want to see logic in her behavior but IRL behavior is sometime erratic and verry much not rooted in logic especially when younger people are concerned. Beth being in a new environment with less overview is ripe for that. That said as a young adult she must bear the consequences.

to come back to the thugs and the clothing boutique. The more I think about them the more their action doesn't make sens if we consider that the store is organized crime owned. If they do money laundering there they would not care about a piece of clothing missing. They would still use it as an inflated sail recipe and they would certainly not risk their project by blackmailing a one time shoplifter. (A clothing store seems like a bad idea for money laundering but I can let that slip.) The more I think about it the more the thugs are out of place. The MC simply has to find who owns the shop to get out from under those two. If it's a legitimate enterprise and the MC find out they are unrelated they loose their leverage and if the store is mafia owned they would be grateful to be made aware of two wild underling rocking the boat in an undesired way. So either way finding the store owner is a win.

 

[TomHook]

I don't know what scene you're talking about.

I'm pretty sure they're referring to the scene where Sophie and the MC finger Lilith together and make out with each other in front of her.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

I'm pretty sure they're referring to the scene where Sophie and the MC finger Lilith together and make out with each other in front of her.

I guess in my playthrough it's the couch scene where the MC fingers Lilith. Sophie doesn't participate if you have lesbian content disabled.

 

[TomHook]

I guess in my playthrough it's the couch scene where the MC fingers Lilith. Sophie doesn't participate if you have lesbian content disabled.

That is the one I think they're referring to.

 

[Blurpee69]

Personally I can kind of excuse Beth, we want to see logic in her behavior but IRL behavior is sometime erratic and verry much not rooted in logic especially when younger people are concerned. Beth being in a new environment with less overview is ripe for that. That said as a young adult she must bear the consequences.

to come back to the thugs and the clothing boutique. The more I think about them the more their action doesn't make sens if we consider that the store is organized crime owned. If they do money laundering there they would not care about a piece of clothing missing. They would still use it as an inflated sail recipe and they would certainly not risk their project by blackmailing a one time shoplifter. (A clothing store seems like a bad idea for money laundering but I can let that slip.) The more I think about it the more the thugs are out of place. The MC simply has to find who owns the shop to get out from under those two. If it's a legitimate enterprise and the MC find out they are unrelated they loose their leverage and if the store is mafia owned they would be grateful to be made aware of two wild underling rocking the boat in an undesired way. So either way finding the store owner is a win.

I doubt it's money laundering. It could possibly be part of a racketeering job if I had to guess.

 

[Walter Victor]

Personally I can kind of excuse Beth, we want to see logic in her behavior but IRL behavior is sometime erratic and verry much not rooted in logic especially when younger people are concerned. Beth being in a new environment with less overview is ripe for that. That said as a young adult she must bear the consequences.

I don't believe i have read that anyone here has considered the possibility that Beth's behavior is compulsive. We have probably all heard of examples of rich, or powerful or famous people who are compulsive shoplifters or who steal items from wherever.

Compulsive behavior, whether it is shoplifting, stealing, gambling, drinking, posting on F95 or whatever, does not need a reason other than it is compulsive. Of course the compulsive person will give a reason, logical or not.

Of course Beth needs to face consequences. I am not trying to make excuses for her; just trying to give one possible explanation for why she did what she did.

 

[Raziel_8]

Man this crime plot gets ever dumber...so does the MC.

Also kind of funny how he is the only one which is actually trying to do anything, like gather money...Sophie got a job, so of course she is now partying and drunk as a skunk any other day, any help to solve the issue nope.
Beth, not helping either and the others we can't tell, cause they could be pissed...yeah that's of course a bigger problem than the thugs...
The MC which is to dumb to catch that serial shitter, which he has a picture of, thinks he can gather evidence against organized crime...
Like dude, we had a several week time skip, the 2 guys called you several times...any recording or letting the police in ? nope...so become a drug mule to find evidence...for a delivery to a empty location, very likely under survey from the criminals and if catched by the cops this nets you a long prison sentence.
How about using your damned head ? go to the police so they can record the thugs calling and are informed of the drug mule thing, then they can act and you coverd your ass...

Also is there any reason he doesn't ask Kate for help ?
She made it clear she knows about her fathers business, it's clear the MC needs help from someone which actually knows how this all works...yet nothing, how about explaining your fuking problem and ask for help

And yeah, Beth needs some consequences for her action, can't say i found her explanation good, neither does it absolve her from getting a good punishment.

The dev trying to make several paths regarding the crime plot is bad imo, that will add a lot of branching and work...and seriously, neither the MC nor the girls are in any way suited for survival in the world of organized crime.
Really, why double down on the crime plot, it's by far the weakest part of the story (which pretty much none liked), the slice of live and relationship building is actually really good, no need for dumb drama.

 

[Woodstock_1983]

Can we follow both choices from the list the girls gives at the beginning? I don't care if they are introvert or extrovert, Long hair or short, big breast ( as long as not too big) or small.

 

[Woodstock_1983]

Thanks. I know who I'll be turning down
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What's wrong with her? Who care if she has tattoos or piercings?

 

[Woodstock_1983]

I don't know if it's from the name change mod or not but it goes from picture 1 to picture 2.

 

[hakulaku97]

Can we follow both choices from the list the girls gives at the beginning? I don't care if they are introvert or extrovert, Long hair or short, big breast ( as long as not too big) or small.

these choices do not matter, at the moment you can only get with the right one. the left comes in later updates regardless of those choices about personality